[Heckler&Coke]

Anyone know much about these yet? I spotted it first in the last CDNN catalog. I've seen a couple on gunbroker under $1,000 new. I think the CDNN price was $899.

There hasn't been much buzz around the bigger gun forums, except hearsay that PTR has released limited quantities of these as "special editions", and that a lot more will be out next year. Oh, and get this, the barrels and chamber flutes are true mil-spec. No more ammo problems, so if that's holding anyone back, find one of these or a older JLD model. They're cheaper than the normal PTR with the match barrel and out of spec flutes. It's pretty apparent they've listened to all the whining about not being able to swallow junk surplus. That's great news for any SHTF ammo worries, or people who've been holding out b/c of this but I'm still more than happy with mine. The ammo debacle was the main beef with PTRs by anyone who disliked them, so there we go.

Anyways, just a heads up, being $300 cheaper than a standard PTR might make it into the price range of some people who would otherwise write it off. If anyone has anymore info, I'd like to hear it. CDNN didn't really have much to say.

 

[Rollin Black]

Thanks for the info.

Can you provide a little more insight into the earlier PTR-91's that a guy should look for in the used market that run good with all ammo types.

Thanks

 

[CZDiesel]

Anyone know much about these yet? I spotted it first in the last CDNN catalog. I've seen a couple on gunbroker under $1,000 new. I think the CDNN price was $899.

There hasn't been much buzz around the bigger gun forums, except hearsay that PTR has released limited quantities of these as "special editions", and that a lot more will be out next year. Oh, and get this, the barrels and chamber flutes are true mil-spec. No more ammo problems, so if that's holding anyone back, find one of these or a older JLD model. They're cheaper than the normal PTR with the match barrel and out of spec flutes. It's pretty apparent they've listened to all the whining about not being able to swallow junk surplus. That's great news for any SHTF ammo worries, or people who've been holding out b/c of this but I'm still more than happy with mine. The ammo debacle was the main beef with PTRs by anyoen who disliked them, so there we go.

Anyways, just a heads up, being $300 cheaper than a standard PTR might make it into the price range of some people who would otherwise write it off. If anyone has anymore info, I'd like to hear it. CDNN didn't really have much to say.

HK, I don't get it??? Its a better PTR91 for less money? Did they lower the pricing on their whole line?
Anyway, Great rifle for sure :thumb:

 

[Heckler&Coke]

Thanks for the info.

Can you provide a little more insight into the earlier PTR-91's that a guy should look for in the used market that run good with all ammo types.

Thanks

Yea sure. If the receiver is marked "JLD" instead of "PTR91 Inc" then it's an early model, that has inspec flutes and normal G3 ergonomics. After PTR91 inc bought out/merged with JLD, a few different barrels came out, all being heavy match barrels, some had 10 flutes, and most have 12, but they are not cut deep enough. The match barrels absolutely outshoot HK91s and other clones from a bench in my experience though. (Out of spec flutes = Make it easier for the chamber to get fouled and start having FTEs. Tar sealed crap like indian milsurp, are especially bad.) The newer PTRs also have PTR/U.S. made stocks and heavy aluminum hand guards. The newer PTRs are more front heavy than standard HK91s. A slim handguard is like $10 though, and they came on most of the original JLD's I've seen.

Also, look for a serial number that starts out as "A" instead of "AW". All 3 of my PTRs are newer "AW"s but I don't really have any ammo problems, except for tar-sealed surplus. They all eat laquer coated brown bear well, and that's the cheapest ammo anyways. You CAN get the flutes up to spec for $100 through HKPro.

HK, I don't get it??? Its a better PTR91 for less money? Did they lower the pricing on their whole line?
Anyway, Great rifle for sure :thumb:

Well, better in the sense that they will eat all the dirty milsurp they can't now. Also, with the military handgaurd, and original barrel profile, it'll be less front heavy. Not so much better in accuracy, and those tacticool rail ready aluminum handguards cost over $150 iirc, the HK/FMP OD stock sets cost $10-20. There's a big chunk of the cost cut allowing them to be cheaper. At least they aren't trying to rip people and say these are improved "special editions" = $1,500 instead of $899. I'm glad they're throwing out more options for those of us who scream and yell over not being able to shoot overpriced surplus.

If I wasn't happy with the ones I got I would consider selling one or two to get these. Don't be surprised if I post a range report with this and the worst ammo I can find sometime next year though. :thumb: (If I aint living in a cardboard box by then...) For now, I'll stick to russian bears, german milsurp and my match barrels with shallow flutes.


P.S. These new special editions seem to be designed from the get go to get beat up, be seldom cleaned, and shoot dirty stuff. The surplus stocks, in-spec flutes, and the parkerized finish scream "best truck gun of 2011".

 

[Groovy Mike]

There is no bad news in this thread. I am almost tempted to buy a new one, but what would I possibly part with to justify it ?????

 

[ky_Dave]

can you provide a part number for this new PTR special edition? Also, for CDNN.

Thank,
ky-dave

 

[Heckler&Coke]

There is no bad news in this thread. I am almost tempted to buy a new one, but what would I possibly part with to justify it ?????

Well, if it makes you feel better, I parted with basically my whole collection to get 3 PTRs.

You will not find negative reviews on PTRs, I looked and looked myself from ar15, to hkpro, to highroad, gunboards, glocktalk, w/e etc, etc. They're all well made. The only gripe up to this point, has been the flutes and how they're chambered in "American Eagle", and other "clean" ammo. Oh, and how the HK91 series inherently beats up brass. (Though there's a lot of stuff out there to correct this...)

can you provide a part number for this new PTR special edition? Also, for CDNN.

Thank,
ky-dave

I don't see one, but it's page 46 in the latest catalog. You can download it from CDNN's website, here;
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/dowournewcat.html

Note; the specs listed are incorrect. It's not an aluminum handguard, or match grade barrel.

 

[ozarkeagle]

The ammo thing never really bothered me, I just stock up on good ammo, I don't envision myself having to use tar sealed ammo recovered from dead bodies. If it's that bad I'll just take their rifle also and press on.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

The ammo thing never really bothered me, I just stock up on good ammo, I don't envision myself having to use tar sealed ammo recovered from dead bodies. If it's that bad I'll just take their rifle also and press on.

Agreed. If I'm picking up .308 off dead bodies, I hope to find an m240 or something cool too. No one in their right mind should stock up only tar-sealed crap anyways. That stuff will jam in a lot of different rifles. Just read all the reviews online...and it's not like paki-indy ammo is all that cheap either, russian bears are still cheaper.

 

[MH12194]

I'm super stoked about this one.

If I can get a bad ass PTR for under $1000 I'm sold.

An affordable battle rifle for that price is a steal.
But on the other hand for only 200 more clams you can get a heavy barrel.

It's kind of a trade off from moa shooter to shoots anything. I plan on buying a ptr91 next year. (a present to myself for quitting smoking) So if you get one before march of next year please post a range report. It will help me figure out which one to buy.

 

[Groovy Mike]

I have one of the newer PTR91s and so far it eats everything I put through it.

H& C is right. There are no bad reviews. great product.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

I'm super stoked about this one.

If I can get a bad ass PTR for under $1000 I'm sold.

An affordable battle rifle for that price is a steal.
But on the other hand for only 200 more clams you can get a heavy barrel.

It's kind of a trade off from moa shooter to shoots anything. I plan on buying a ptr91 next year. (a present to myself for quitting smoking) So if you get one before march of next year please post a range report. It will help me figure out which one to buy.

Yea, but at this point we don't know how much of a trade off. I bet the accuracy is akin to all the normal HK91s, Greek, and Portuguese clones. (which is pretty good...)

 

[mizer67]

Oh, and how the HK91 series inherently beats up brass. (Though there's a lot of stuff out there to correct this...)

H&C - what retrofts/upgrades would you recommend to help save the brass for reloading?

I've heard installing an ejection port buffer, anything else that helps?

 

[Heckler&Coke]

H&C - what retrofts/upgrades would you recommend to help save the brass for reloading?

I've heard installing an ejection port buffer, anything else that helps?

Yep, that'd be it. http://www.robertrtg.com/pofport_carry.html Afaik, that's the easiest fix. It just slips on like the scope mounts. I can reload my brass without all that stuff actually. Not sure if it's because of the shallow flutes, or because it really aint as hard to reload 91 brass as people think. The flute marks are just that, marks. No deep depressions on my brass. The hardest part is finding them though...20 meters downrange. Gotta love the positive ejection....

The German army welded brass deflectors on later G3s, they're available on RobertRTG as well, but you have to weld them to the rifle.

 

[Baddogg5]

I have thought about getting one.

What about all those 20 round mags that people sell for cheap. I have seen them as cheap as a 1$ per mag. Lots of places for 4$ per mag. Beats others hands down if they work right

 

[Heckler&Coke]

I have thought about getting one.

What about all those 20 round mags that people sell for cheap. I have seen them as cheap as a 1$ per mag. Lots of places for 4$ per mag. Beats others hands down if they work right

Those are all I have. I lost count at 100. There's two kinds of surplus, steel and aluminum. I prefer the aluminum ones @ 97 cents a piece. The steel mags are a tad heavier, and feel like you could go Saving Private Ryan and chunk them at people.

They are both German military mags, made by H&K and Rheinmetall. That should be an indication of quality....A few out there are Portugese FMP or Greek EBO. The reason they're so cheap is because they made about a zillion during the cold war, and their's no guarantee of condition of surplus like that.

Out of about ~120-140, I only have a few that are dented, or have problems, about 1/4th had minor dirt/rust/residue. No biggy, they're easy to clean. Don't spend too much on HK mags, the G3/91 is the one exception in magazines. Not even Aks can approach mag price for such quality mil-surp mags.

P.S. For everything else;
Stay away from 30rd mags, unless they are South African. Most 30rd mags out there are just two mags cut & welded, the SA mags are actually mil-issue iirc so they're better. The thermold mags work ok, but they're a more expensive option. The AA drums are great, but they cost $250....

 

[MH12194]

I was looking into bipods for the PTR/HK91/G3. There are military type bipods for a good price. Are they worth the money or should one invest in a harris bipod?

Also I remember someone mentioning a bolt carrier or bolt (combo) to fire some sort of pratice round. Are these the wooden tip bullets I've herd about or something else?

The new PTR's are called the PTR G.I. And they are a special addition. The PTR twitter page has a few updates one being the new G.I. model and a pistol in .308. Can't wait to see these hit the market.
http://twitter.com/PTR91Inc



Luckly. Most people are so caught up in AR's and AK's, M14 and FALS. I think people looking into the PTR line for an MBR shouldn't have to worry too much. As long as people don't get wind of how great these rifles are.

 

[Heckler&Coke]

I was looking into bipods for the PTR/HK91/G3. There are military type bipods for a good price. Are they worth the money or should one invest in a harris bipod?

Depends...If I needed a bi-pod I'd prefer the original wide grip with the bipod because you can tuck them away when you don't need em' and they weigh much less than the harris set-up with the aluminum guard.

Also I remember someone mentioning a bolt carrier or bolt (combo) to fire some sort of pratice round. Are these the wooden tip bullets I've herd about or something else?

Yea, I believe I mentioned that before a few times. It's a bolt carrier group that will cycle a blue plastic practice round. Make sure the bolt has "üb" stamped on it. (übung/für Übungseinsätze)

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=556318
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=502766

The new PTR's are called the PTR G.I. And they are a special addition. The PTR twitter page has a few updates one being the new G.I. model and a pistol in .308. Can't wait to see these hit the market.
http://twitter.com/PTR91Inc

Thanks for the info, I don't really follow twitter or any of that newage crap, guess I should now... They're coming out and about now, I've seen two on gunbroker.

 

[Nightside_Eclipse]

Aw man... I have a big box of old HK91 mags... and no 91 rifle.... I want... BAD

 

[Reed]

Yea sure. If the receiver is marked "JLD" instead of "PTR91 Inc" then it's an early model, that has inspec flutes and normal G3 ergonomics. After PTR91 inc bought out/merged with JLD, a few different barrels came out, all being heavy match barrels, some had 10 flutes, and most have 12, but they are not cut deep enough. The match barrels absolutely outshoot HK91s and other clones from a bench in my experience though. (Out of spec flutes = Make it easier for the chamber to get fouled and start having FTEs. Tar sealed crap like indian milsurp, are especially bad.) The newer PTRs also have PTR/U.S. made stocks and heavy aluminum hand guards. The newer PTRs are more front heavy than standard HK91s. A slim handguard is like $10 though, and they came on most of the original JLD's I've seen.

Also, look for a serial number that starts out as "A" instead of "AW". All 3 of my PTRs are newer "AW"s but I don't really have any ammo problems, except for tar-sealed surplus. They all eat laquer coated brown bear well, and that's the cheapest ammo anyways. You CAN get the flutes up to spec for $100 through HKPro.



Well, better in the sense that they will eat all the dirty milsurp they can't now. Also, with the military handgaurd, and original barrel profile, it'll be less front heavy. Not so much better in accuracy, and those tacticool rail ready aluminum handguards cost over $150 iirc, the HK/FMP OD stock sets cost $10-20. There's a big chunk of the cost cut allowing them to be cheaper. At least they aren't trying to rip people and say these are improved "special editions" = $1,500 instead of $899. I'm glad they're throwing out more options for those of us who scream and yell over not being able to shoot overpriced surplus.

If I wasn't happy with the ones I got I would consider selling one or two to get these. Don't be surprised if I post a range report with this and the worst ammo I can find sometime next year though. :thumb: (If I aint living in a cardboard box by then...) For now, I'll stick to russian bears, german milsurp and my match barrels with shallow flutes.


P.S. These new special editions seem to be designed from the get go to get beat up, be seldom cleaned, and shoot dirty stuff. The surplus stocks, in-spec flutes, and the parkerized finish scream "best truck gun of 2011".

Guess I need to start saving up after this fine read as I would like to have a thumper again. I sold my Cetme a few years back with no regrets and just hung onto the bolt gun but if all you say about this weapon is true I want another semi auto thumper.
Thanks HC, I'll just explain to the wife it was your fault so I can stay safe :thumb: