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This is where all the oil has been. This is why it took so long for it to come ashore. And instead of BP coming out with the real figures of the amount of oil leaking, they pushed their low numbers, and hid the amount being spill with dispersants. This is why the coast of Louisiana and Mississippi, are now coated with oil, when there was weeks before it washed ashore, when something substantial could have been done to prevent it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oil_spill_new_plume

By MATTHEW BROWN and JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writers 1 hr 45 mins ago

NEW ORLEANS – Marine scientists have discovered a massive new plume of what they believe to be oil deep beneath the Gulf of Mexico, stretching 22 miles (35 kilometers) from the leaking wellhead northeast toward Mobile Bay, Alabama.

The discovery by researchers on the University of South Florida College of Marine Science's Weatherbird II vessel is the second significant undersea plume recorded since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20.

The thick plume was detected just beneath the surface down to about 3,300 feet (1,000 meters), and is more than 6 miles (9.6 kilometers) wide, said David Hollander, associate professor of chemical oceanography at the school.

Hollander said the team detected the thickest amount of hydrocarbons, likely from the oil spewing from the blown out well, at about 1,300 feet (nearly 400 meters) in the same spot on two separate days this week.

The discovery was important, he said, because it confirmed that the substance found in the water was not naturally occurring and that the plume was at its highest concentration in deeper waters. The researchers will use further testing to determine whether the hydrocarbons they found are the result of dispersants or the emulsification of oil as it traveled away from the well.

The first such plume detected by scientists stretched from the well southwest toward the open sea, but this new undersea oil cloud is headed miles inland into shallower waters where many fish and other species reproduce.

The researchers say they are worried these undersea plumes may be the result of the unprecedented use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil a mile undersea at the site of the leak.

Hollander said the oil they detected has dissolved into the water, and is no longer visible, leading to fears from researchers that the toxicity from the oil and dispersants could pose a big danger to fish larvae and creatures that filter the waters for food.

"There are two elements to it," Hollander said. "The plume reaching waters on the continental shelf could have a toxic effect on fish larvae, and we also may see a long term response as it cascades up the food web."

Dispersants contain surfactants, which are similar to dishwashing soap.

A Louisiana State University researcher who has studied their effects on marine life said that by breaking oil into small particles, surfactants make it easier for fish and other animals to soak up the oil's toxic chemicals. That can impair the animals' immune systems and cause reproductive problems.

"The oil's not at the surface, so it doesn't look so bad, but you have a situation where it's more available to fish," said Kevin Kleinow, a professor in LSU's school of veterinary medicine.
 

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The news reports say it isn't near the Florida coast, but some friends of mine went to one of their favorite dive spots off Santa Rosa Island last weekend and they have a different report. The area where they dive has always been crystal clear, but on this dive, they couldn't see more than an arms length. They gave up and surfaced. They said there was milky looking, slimy stuff in the water. All of their wet suits were ruined with the gunk which would not wash off. their suits One of the girls has been washing her hair with Dawn dish washing soap to get it out of her hair since regular shampoo didn't work. Took 3 days to get it all out. This is just a small group of regular divers...wonder what others are seeing?? btw...Santa Rosa Island is part of the Gulf Islands National Seashore and is by Pensacola, FL.
 

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I have to wonder if this is the SHTF moment. Think about the immediate impact this is having on the area. Take that out 3,6,12 months or longer. The Gulf of Mexico a salt water desert damn near devoid of life. Beaches coated with oil. How many people out of jobs as a result of this? Shrimpers, tourism, all the associated business that goes along with an areas major industries will all be affected. How about adding an additional few million people affected, jobs lost, now relying on the government for handouts? BP deciding it's smarter and easier to go bankrupt than to pay fines and finish cleanup. Now congress has voted to quadruple oil taxes! Passed down to all of us as usual. It's just scary when I consider the potential effects this will have on a large and heavily populated portion of the country, and we don't really have a clue as to where this oil will even end up! Just something to think about and another reason I am glad I found this site!
 

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This is not about you.
There is no credit for you to take here, one way or the other.
I may be wrong, but I don't think BlackKitty is saying that "This is about her"

I think she is expressing frustration about how this topic has been handled here.

For a month, many on the boards, including High up members, have been very vocal that information posted was "fear mongering", "sky is falling chicken little", "tinfoil hat" information. All the while, they were very quick to post any of BP's disinformation as truth.
 

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What will happen with all that oil in the water + hurricane?
It will be lifted up and turn into precipitation and vapor and it well be blown onto land. Forests, marshes, parks, houses, etc. will be coated with oil, at least along coast lines. Likely as far as the weather system carrying said precipitation will travel...

It will be a nightmare and it will be the beginning of unspeakable hard times for everyone...and I am not even trying to be dramatic about it.

I personally suspect that the troops that obama is moving around in the South has nothing really to do with the Mexican border and a lot to do with the coming martial law to put down the rage of the people when they will realize that they are homeless and landless....

Some people on this board and other acquaintances of mine, have witness large troop and gear movements in the South.

This is what Mike Ruppert wrote on his blog a few days ago:


Mike Ruppert: Oil Spill an "Extinction Level Event", Martial Law Coming

May 25, 2010, 1900 PDT -- WE ARE ALL noticing that suddenly the mainstream media has "discovered" the size of the blowout. Matt Simmons has just estimated the flow at 120,000 bpd and said that there's a likelihood that the whole reservoir will empty... perhaps for years at an ultimately declining rate. Mainstream media is now actually saying it is a "possible extinction event" for life in the entire Gulf. Cuba is feeling it. The Gulf is doomed. But we knew all this, didn’t we? I put those pieces together a while ago... right here.What sickens me is how transparent the media manipulation is. The media's now accusing BP of misleading them, even when I showed that they have been colluding in concealing the magnitude of the flow themselves. I was all over that.

Tonight the world is at the edge. Korea, European debt, Afghanistan, the Gulf, Continued economic implosion. -- A thing worthy of note that might not have caught your attention stems from two distinctly-related stories. One was all over the news today, reporting that Barack Obama had mobilized 1,200 National Guard troops to control the Arizona border. (Half of what John McCain asked for.) And in Flint Michigan there are calls from former elected officials for the Governor to mobilize the Guard to help control an exploding murder rate.

As Orlov and many others have written, one of the things that happens when a civilization collapses is that crime rates soar, old grudges and vendettas are settled and the Empire’s ability to intervene diminishes. Arizona has a very bad situation on its hands. And even though I’m a California boy, and I don’t like racial profiling, those people are truly desperate. Much more illegal population in Arizona and there will be open street wars for control of turf. De facto guerilla armies are forming. In other words... the barbarians have entered the gates.

We are entering a very dangerous period of increasing lawlessness that will soon be seen all over the country.. I received a message today that Matt Savinar’s great blog had a discussion about National Guard troops being mobilized in many states. The writer said that many thought it was for Korea. I stopped, thought for a moment, and said to myself, “It could be the Gulf.... It could be the border too... It could be street crime in Michigan.... Shoot, it could be all three!”
Now appears the vague outlines of what the rightist conspiracy theorists have called “martial law”. Friends, this isn’t martial law. It is desperation. Because if this increasing mobilization doesn’t happen, the nation will become non-functional in very, very short order. Where I differ from the belligerently naive is that I see this period of “martial law” as a brief and ill-fated attempt to put the brakes on something that cannot be stopped. I have always felt that way. There will come a time when we might look back and think, “Those were the good old days.”

WILL THE REAL FEMA PLEASE STAND UP?

Has anyone noticed that FEMA hasn’t been mentioned at all since Deepwater Horizon blew up? The uninformed think of FEMA as a clown factory. There is another FEMA and I suspect that that FEMA has been quietly mobilizing since Day One, under orders from the President, for implementation of Continuity of Government operations, followed by the possible activation of FEMA governmental control for Region 4 of its 10 operating regions. One concern I have always shared with the so-called right wing is the utterly draconian powers that are bestowed under a series of presidential Special Orders starting in the late 1970s and continuing through the present day. This is what FEMA has always been intended to do. The good things it should have done after Katrina weren’t really in its DNA, I don’t think. Bush-Cheney only made it worse.
So when we next hear the name FEMA I think a lot of folks are going to be surprised to see what it looks and acts like.
 

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This is bigger than anyone will ever know.
Oh, I think we'll know; I think the whole world will know very, very soon. Will we be the generation who will tell our grandchildren of the days when a person could actually swim in the oceans, that there were real fish and sea mammals that lived in the seas? Will our children be the generation to know that 3/4 of our earth's surface has been poisoned and that it may take a very long time (if ever) for the healing?
 

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Oh, I think we'll know; I think the whole world will know very, very soon. Will we be the generation who will tell our grandchildren of the days when a person could actually swim in the oceans, that there were real fish and sea mammals that lived in the seas? Will our children be the generation to know that 3/4 of our earth's surface has been poisoned and that it may take a very long time (if ever) for the healing?
That is so damn heavy :(
 

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Oh, I think we'll know; I think the whole world will know very, very soon. Will we be the generation who will tell our grandchildren of the days when a person could actually swim in the oceans, that there were real fish and sea mammals that lived in the seas? Will our children be the generation to know that 3/4 of our earth's surface has been poisoned and that it may take a very long time (if ever) for the healing?
That is so damn heavy
in a sad way i wish i could sig. this:(
 

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why don't they burn it?
It would be a big burn off but it was my initial thought as well.

With the amount being spilled, the cavity ceiling (the ocean floor) is sinking and could destabilize and release the entire pocket of oil. Burning that would be bad, but if we do nothing we can kiss the oceans goodbye, and probably ourselves along with them.
 
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