[Mason]

Is it just me, or are people here talking about Democrats and Liberals like the Nazis did the Jews?

"Der Juden is everywhere! Der Juden is conspiring to take over our country! Der Juden controls the press and our money! Der Juden is polluting and corrupting our society! Der Juden is hiding in our very midst!"

The only thing missing is a call for the mass extermination and/or deportation of said people.

I read some threads regarding the Tea Parties, healthcare reform, and/or Obama and often, whenever someone disagrees with the majority's ideas on this forum, he (she?) gets accused of being a Democrat or bleeding-heart Liberal.

Somewhat brought up race and the Tea Party and got jumped by a bunch of people calling him a Democrat, like a miniature Kristallnacht .

Seriously, does it not occur to some of you people that others might think differently for individual reasons?

Maybe someone sees racism in the Tea Party protests because he's a racist himself.
Maybe he's a troll.
Maybe he suffers from "white guilt."
Maybe he's a weak-kneed affirmative-action supporting apologist.
Maybe he just saw a small part of a vast movement and is just calling it as he sees it.
Maybe he's stupid.
Maybe he's an assh**e.
Maybe he's right.

Perhaps someone likes the just-passed health care bill because he blindly follows our government (one of the "sheeple")
Perhaps he's a politician who wants a more powerful federal government.
Perhaps he wants to destroy America, and believes the bill will do so.
Perhaps he just wants to kiss Obama's ass.
Perhaps he honestly believes in authority.
Perhaps he just wants to see what happens, as in an experiment.
Perhaps he thinks it will work.
Perhaps he's stupid.
Perhaps he's right.

But noooooooo, he really just secretly a Democrat or Liberal. Because only political parties and ideology influence society, not personal views.

No, the solution is not to investigate, and to reason with these people. Their arguments aren't important. What's more important is that they're "Der Juden," and they can't be argued with. Never mind that they might be wrong and that we should therefore be able to prove them so. No, it's irrelevant. The big problem is that they're "Der Juden"/Democrats/Liberals.

I'm sure most of you have heard this, but I'll say it again.

This conflict between Democrats and Republicans or Liberals and Conservatives is a farce!

It doesn't matter!

You are all being played!

 

[NIGHT_OWL]

No I don't think conservatives and independents are speaking about Dems and liberals like the nazis spoke about Jews. There is a large portion of the country(50% +) who are very concerned with the direction the Dems are leading us in! The Democratic party has increasingly moved to the left. It is espousing ideas like socialism, spreading the wealth, taxing the rich, & "social justice".

 

[SIXPACK]

Is it just me, or are people here talking about Democrats and Liberals like the Nazis did the Jews?

Quite the opposite, it's the demonrat party and all it's followers who are talking about conservatives and those who understand and support the Constitution, like nazi's did the Jews.................


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"Obama, the skid-mark in the underwear of American history." - J.R.L.

 

[trixie]

its just you

 

[MIL-DOT]

Is it just me, or are people here talking about Democrats and Liberals like the Nazis did the Jews?

You've got things exactly backwards. If you'll notice, it's THE LEFT that is the party in power right now. And it's THE LEFT that is trying to enforce restrictions on the free speech of the Right, particularly in talk radio, but also in PC so-called "hate speech" rules being enforced in schools and universities. No one is targeting the Left as possible domestic terrorists, but this is happening to people on the Right, more and more frequently.
Your argument about people on the Left having their views discounted out of hand reminds me of a recent statement by Bob Beckel, where he said, Who cares what a bunch of right wingers think".
When asked several montha ago about the huge Tea Party gatherings, Obama replied that he hadn't really paid any attention.
The vast majority of the main stream media are left leaning democrats, that's according to their very own polls, and we see their views and biases perpetuated daily. They use their influence to vilify conservatives as dangerous obstacles to progress, and I can gurarantee this will escalate.
You're right that there's a Nazi-Jew parallel to be drawn here, but as I said, you just have the oppressors/victims inverted.

 

[Mason]

Here. I said, here.

Out of respect for other very well-established and respectable posters here, I won't call anyone out by name, but I have seen examples of the above.

From one thread on the Tea Party:

Wild, crazy guess here but would you happen to be a Liberal/Democrat?

If you don't follow politics, or under stand whats going on, why the hell would you make a "Frank assessment" of something you don't understand?
Dude, your a Democrat. Honestly.

1) Bleeding heart for other peoples plights, yet holds a disdain towards his own race.

2) Gives an opinion on something he doesn't fully understand, with a slanted view before going into it.

3) Believes the Blanket "elitist" term is a generally accepted bad word.

4) Hates seeing Racism on a sign, but gets frustrated when you point out the many other racist things we are supposed to be ok with.


You know who else did that? Hitler.

Bottom line *****, you are a race baitin' democrat.

The easiest way to spot a Mind controlled Neo Democrat socialist? Race Bait.

Your race-baiting was a pathetic attempt...your a dead give away!!

Democrats love to play victim, so maybe you ARE a Democrat.
They also love the race card.

What was that?

In the larger picture, or even in say, the Democratic Underground (website), its true, the Left paints Conservatives/Libertarians/Tea Parties with the ol' right-wing terrorist brush.

Owl, that's true. The hilariously inept LaRouches aside (they don't count), the majority of Conservatives are just concerned about our country, and rightfully so.

Sixpack, Trixie...I don't even... "Demonrat Party?" Did you not read what I posted?

Mil-Dot, you're quite correct, but I was talking about this forum. Your statement applies very well to Democratic websites.

As for a Liberal media, that requires another topic altogether. After all, there's a conflict between the ideals of the huge media conglomerates who run the news and subordinate it to corporate interests and those of the mostly Democratic reporters. The question is of who has more power.

 

[Goethic]

Again, Sixpack, Mil_Dot, Night Owl, Trixie and many others on the board have it right. It is the Democrats who are villifying any conservative American, any Tea Partyer, any Republican, any Joe-the-Plumber type (who is not a member of the SEIU or AFL-CIO, or any affiliate thereof), any gun owner, any Christian, any pro-lifer, pro-Constitutionalist, anyone who gets up early, and works all day to support themselves and their families, and who is not a slothful, ignoramus living off of the public dole... It is the demonrats who are the distorters, the liars, the truth twisters, the manipulators...

The majority of the fine, fine people on this board are merely speaking the truth... This is America and it is their sacred right, a right that our Founding Fathers believed was given all men by the Almighty Creator...

Comments these board members are making that you may regard as harsh, I and many others would call "accurate." In a forum like this on a board like this, we should be civil to one another, but given that we have a First Amendment right to speak our minds, we should not have to be timid in stating our opinions and beliefs, and standing up for the principles that personify us as individuals.

A wise man once said: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue..."

 

[Mason]

Of course Goethic, some Democrats are. And some people here are vilifying them and accusing other people on these boards of being them, as if they were some infestation to be eradicated.

I'm more than fine with "stating our opinions and beliefs." It's when we stoop to the level of certain Fascists and Communists and attempt to make a person's race/political party/religion (or lack thereof) the main problem that I have a problem.

I'm sick of so many on the Left portraying Conservatives as Right-Wing nut-jobs and terrorists, and I'm just as tired of the seemingly equal amount of people on the Right talking about Liberals as welfare junkies and jack-booted thugs.

Fascism is just as bad as Communism. When/if the Conservatives gain the majority in the government, we must avoid this Us vs. Der Juden mindset that so many in the current government and on these boards have adopted.

By the way Goethic, I didn't see any "harsh" comments. What I saw was some weird witch hunt.

 

[Goethic]

...(As if) Democrats are (an) infestation to be eradicated....."

You mean they're not??? :


Mason, your comments are very reasonable and well considered. Great job.

There is too many phrases like "simpleton," "whacko," and many others applied by some on the board to others. If you spend some time on the board, it will be interesting to hear your perspective on what you perceive to be the political/social/economic philosophy of those who hurl such and related terms the most...

Nevertheless, I agree that each idea or opinion deserves consideration based upon its merits rather than the political leanings of the poster.

I don't see so much of a "witchhunt" here (who mentioned Nancy Pelosi?) as I do frustration on the part of many on the board with the absence of and failure of the mainstream media in questioning the policies, decisions, and appointments of this administration and its allies in the House and Senate. It simply does not happen. It is as though NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and many, many others are adjunct public relations spokespersons for this government.

It is both the right and duty of all citizens to question our government and to seek to redress its policies that we, the people, believe not to be in our best interest as individuals and as a nation.

They are taking us in the wrong direction, and the train is picking up speed. We must do all that we can to awaken the sleeping colossus that is the American Peoples to the peril that awaits us, our children, and our grandchildren, if we don't elect people who will reverse this course.

That is what I believe you are hearing....

Guys (and gals), weigh in, please...

 

[P.Publius]

Ducks v Thugs

Mason,
If it walks like a thug,
If it talks like a thug,
If it reasons like a thug,
It must be a thug.

Although I would hesitate to call someone a "Liberal" because the rootword is LIBERTY I would hazard to say that the poster you were speaking of in the OP is a "Progressive"... I try to educate them. But, I also enjoy banging my head against a wall.

 

[BrowserCat]

Whose hand is on the basket we are in...the one with the bow? And what is that smell...brimstone?

It's corporations. Corporate news' interest is to keep us divided, because shouting and fighting make better ratings than human interest stories or news about advances in medicine or alternative energy and the like. Corporate lobbyists outnumber our congresscritters several to one, and corporate influence is seen daily in the laws made in this country.

If you rely on mainstream outlets [including Fox] for your news, you are missing out. If you only rely on one source, you are missing out. If you don't question and ask for reliable source information, you are missing out.

And what you are missing out on is the truth.

 

[AKM.]

You're all right; and you are all WRONG!

During times of strife, when things get tough- everyone blames everyone else not of their immediate social grouping; it's a natural defence mechanism.
You look for security to those closest to your own ideals, and vilify anyone who holds different viewpoints, religion etc.
Plus, there are no doubt people out there turning a profit from all this. They would be loving all this controversy. And deliberately stirring the pot.

There does appear to be a polarisation of ideals on many forums at this time. "You are either with us, or agin us"- to quote a certain ex President.
Sucks to be a person who is mostly very conservative, but has one or two views of a more socialist nature; the same with a left winger who may have a conservative viewpoint on a subject or two. They seem to be getting hammered with insults every time they open their mouths.
And what about the vast multitude in the middle, who hold aspects of both conservative and liberal, but find their views being belittled and copping abuse from either end of the political spectrum?

 

[Duke]

Of course Goethic, some Democrats are. And some people here are vilifying them and accusing other people on these boards of being them, as if they were some infestation to be eradicated.

I'm more than fine with "stating our opinions and beliefs." It's when we stoop to the level of certain Fascists and Communists and attempt to make a person's race/political party/religion (or lack thereof) the main problem that I have a problem.

I'm sick of so many on the Left portraying Conservatives as Right-Wing nut-jobs and terrorists, and I'm just as tired of the seemingly equal amount of people on the Right talking about Liberals as welfare junkies and jack-booted thugs.

Fascism is just as bad as Communism. When/if the Conservatives gain the majority in the government, we must avoid this Us vs. Der Juden mindset that so many in the current government and on these boards have adopted.

By the way Goethic, I didn't see any "harsh" comments. What I saw was some weird witch hunt.

I don't care about them demonizing each other in that manner, that's gone on for years but the problem I mainly have is there are SOLID issues with which we should be concerned about and people are yelling party line semantics at each other.

Healthcare and all the rhetoric? Sure. We need to discuss it. AFTER we figure out how the heck we are going to pay for it all. After we get some job flow and start producing again, otherwise we are going to end up like Russia, or Argentina or Venezuela or worse.

I will say though that as long as they are allowed to continue this shell game of the two party system we are going to get the same results, because while they may have opposing views on the issues they really aren't too far off from each other beneath the surface.