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Daughter OfThe Revolution
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That's no surprise to me. That's all part of the Communist agenda. They own us. We belong to the state. It's completely opposite of Natural Rights. This is what we are now.

Socialism, Fascism, Marxism, Communism, all equal 'Collectivism'. That's us.
 

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Only a conservative could view a human being as property. Public school, Public Library, Public State Universities, Public Roads, Public Transportation, Public Airwaves, Civic Duty, the foundation of modern America and was understood as the corner stone of a democratic free people by the founders. Only a conservative could view the profound good of these institutions and the shared responsibility of citizenship as something negative. What a warped pathetic world view to deny our shared responsibly to one-another to provide for life liberty and happiness as "We" the people together , not Me the island unto myself. Those of you that can't see the profound folly of the current conservative meme are destined to suffer under it.
 

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Only a conservative could view a human being as property. Public school, Public Library, Public State Universities, Public Roads, Public Transportation, Public Airwaves, Civic Duty, the foundation of modern America and was understood as the corner stone of a democratic free people by the founders. Only a conservative could view the profound good of these institutions and the shared responsibility of citizenship as something negative. What a warped pathetic world view to deny our shared responsibly to one-another to provide for life liberty and happiness as "We" the people together , not Me the island unto myself. Those of you that can't see the profound folly of the current conservative meme are destined to suffer under it.
Liberty is the philosophy of SELF-OWNERSHIP, whereas modern authoritarian liberalism is the philosophy of OWNING PEOPLE. YOU are the ones looking to own others, not the other way around. YOU are the ones looking to steal children away from the parents who made them. YOU are the ones trying to steal choice away from education. YOU are the ones looking to steal the family as the cornerstone institution and unit-measure of society.

The Declaration recognized securing the Natural Law rights of Life, Liberty, and Property (which T. J. called "Pursuit of Happiness") as the ONLY valid reason for government. YOU are the ones trying to steal those rights daily. YOU are the ones who find yourselves on the wrong side of the right to Life, on both ends, and the incidental right to protect that life in arms, with your attempts to subvert the Second Amendment. YOU are the ones who find yourselves on the wrong side of Liberty, always seeking to replace it with world management, and to remove the arms that we hold as a peaceful safeguard against tyranny. YOU are the ones always trying to steal Property, or appropriate it to the common, be it by taxation, confiscation, ban, inflation, changes in form of title, redistribution, etc.

I think YOU need to look at how YOU view people as PROPERTY of the STATE, in direct violation of the purpose of these United States, individually and federally. :mad::mad::mad:
 
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Liberty is the philosophy of SELF-OWNERSHIP, whereas modern authoritarian liberalism is the philosophy of OWNING PEOPLE. YOU are the ones looking to own others, not the other way around. YOU are the ones looking to steal children away from the parents who made them. YOU are the ones trying to steal choice away from education. YOU are the ones looking to steal the family as the cornerstone institution and unit-measure of society.

The Declaration recognized securing the Natural Law rights of Life, Liberty, and Property (which T. J. called "Pursuit of Happiness") as the ONLY valid reason for government. YOU are the ones trying to steal those rights daily. YOU are the ones who find yourselves on the wrong side of the right to Life, on both ends, and the incidental right to protect that life in arms, with your attempts to subvert the Second Amendment. YOU are the ones who find yourselves on the wrong side of Liberty, always seeking to replace it with world management, and to remove the arms that we hold as a peaceful safeguard against tyranny. YOU are the ones always trying to steal Property, or appropriate it to the common, be it by taxation, confiscation, ban, inflation, changes in form of title, redistribution, etc.

I think YOU need to look at how YOU view people as PROPERTY of the STATE, in direct violation of the purpose of these United States, individually and federally. :mad::mad::mad:
Good point so the kid is responsible for themselves and the parent still does not own them.

I love how you hear the word responsibility and run for the hills.
 

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Wait a second I have heard this before. Oh yeah now I remember Hitler made the same exact statement.

“When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side," I calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”

I think they even made a few posters about how the kids belonged to the state.

http://www.logos-publishing.com/Hitlerjugend-1.htm

Oh and one other thing, the slogan forward is also a Nazi slogan. Just look up the song on Youtube.
 

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Daughter OfThe Revolution
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Good point so the kid is responsible for themselves and the parent still does not own them.

I love how you hear the word responsibility and run for the hills.
Most parents take responsibility for their children. The important word from the video isn't 'responsibility' but 'Collective'. This is obviously a 'Collectivist' attitude which means 'Control' whether the parent likes it or not.

Whether the parent likes it or not, children WILL be vaccinated because the state deems it necessary for the 'Collective'.

Whether the parent likes it or not, the children will be taught about homosexuality and sex the way the 'state' sees fit. Regardless if the parent finds it appropriate or not.

Now children can get birth control, and other things :xeye:, from their little neighborhood schools. Whether the parent deems it fit or ethical.

There's a difference between people choosing to give their children to the state and the state, demanding they're the ultimate authority in regards to children.

That's where we are. We live in a 'Collectivist' (Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Fascist) Country. We are not a free Republic any more and that's why we see the govt. chipping away at freedoms one by one. Now it's coming much faster. It's all in their plan.

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
They've already captured both parties. The GOP are Fascists and the Dems are Communist/Marxist. Sorry, that's probably a different Thread. :eek::


This has all already been firmly implemented.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
 

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F that.. my kids are just that, my kids.. teach them what's right, protect them from harm.. if they choose, let them learn the hard way.. ie; catch them the first few times but if they keep it up, lettem hit the floor.. if my kids act out they'll get checked real quick, be it a swift glance or swift hands.. act right- respectful, humane, just you get what you deserve..
 

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We all own ourselves. I perish to think if my own unsuitable parents would try to assume ownership of me as an individual. This is about taking ownership of mistakes and actions.

This argument she is making is terrible, because if kids in America were an investment, they'd be an awful one. We've sunk untold billions...probably trillions into education since Johnson, and none of it changes awful cultural mistakes in malevolent neighborhoods from perpetuating themselves. It's not about money in education. It's about content, parenting, and staffing...and killing off the bottom-feeding educational beasts we have already created.
 
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