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A24's "Civil War": Hype or Hypothesis?


Production company A24 released their much-anticipated movie “Civil War” in select theaters last night. It opens nationwide today. I attended a showing last night and will pass along my reflections, which contain no spoilers.


The movie “Civil War” focuses on a small team of photojournalists navigating through the disruption of a civil war. They’re racing to D.C. to interview the sitting president before the “Western Forces” – the secessionist armies of California and Texas – invade to topple the U.S. Government. The plot is strained from the very beginning, and likely for good reason.


Back in February, much of the sentiment surrounding the movie’s trailer centered on “predictive programming.” The term describes efforts by “the powers that be” to shape public opinion or modify behavior by injecting concepts into pop culture and the American zeitgeist. (We call that psychological operations.)


So is it a PSYOP?

Some have accused the studio A24 of producing the “Civil War” movie to psychologically prepare Americans to consider or even accept a violent conflict in a tense election year.

But I didn’t get the sense that “Civil War” is “predictive programming”. The movie is largely apolitical. There’s no reference to political parties or ideology. In short, we don’t even know why the civil war is being fought, and that’s certainly by design. Further, the “Western Forces” consist of California and Texas, which are strange bedfellows. And none of the other regions are apparently involved in the war.

My takeaway is that “Civil War” is a lot like most other Hollywood roller coaster movies with bad plots that are hyped for commercial success. This movie could have been extremely political. It could have been released on January 6th. The plot could have included an army drawn from Texas to southern Virginia invading Washington D.C. It could have been about scary fascists fighting for a Trump-like politician and democracy-loving good guys who prevail over evil at the very end. But it was none of those things.


It’s a politically uninteresting movie that features some brutal realities of war, including armed violence and graphic shootouts, torture and lots of people being killed (some of them executed). And if there are any political messages, it’s only that war is ugly and brutal and that civil war is something to be avoided.

The small team of photojournalists are mostly at the mercy of their environment. They get caught up in tense situations. The combat scenes are chaotic. F-35s and Apache helicopters flash across the big screen. There are explosions everywhere. And veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan are likely to laugh at some of the unrealistic, over-the-top combat scenes.

The movie doesn’t offend anyone’s political sensibilities. It’s just another daft Hollywood thriller aiming for mass commercial appeal to make the studios lots of money – which it should because the film, if nothing else, was entertaining.
 
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@FARM HAND thanks for the review. I plan to see it once the hype dies down in a week or two. That's my criteria, if a movie is still in the theater after two weeks it's good enough to watch.

As long as they blow stuff up and kill lots 'o people in new and brutally impossible ways I'm in. ;) :D
 
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@FARM HAND thanks for the review. I plan to see it once the hype dies down in a week or two. That's my criteria, if a movie is still in the theater after two weeks it's good enough to watch.
Huh. You never struck me as a Barbie type guy. Did you like it better than the Taylor Swift concert movie?

Asking for a friend......
 
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My wife thinks it'll just **** me off. So if it does come to our tiny 1 screen 108 year old theater I'll be skipping it. The new Kong gorilla movie is here this week. We may see that. We have had much We wanted to see in last few years. We saw the new exorcist believer last year and ghostbusters last week. I'm hoping the first omen comes soon. I'm looking forward to that. We came to the realization that middle aged people are not the target demographic for a lot of movies.
 
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My wife thinks it'll just **** me off. So if it does come to our tiny 1 screen 108 year old theater I'll be skipping it. The new Kong gorilla movie is here this week. We may see that. We have had much We wanted to see in last few years. We saw the new exorcist believer last year and ghostbusters last week. I'm hoping the first omen comes soon. I'm looking forward to that. We came to the realization that middle aged people are not the target demographic for a lot of movies.
I enjoyed Kong.
 
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Just came across this on yahoo. It's an absolute hoot of a review, and it's from Breitbart even. Now I gotta see it. Enjoy. Note: spoilers.

The one I think might be good is "Homestead" based on the Black Autumn books - a survival movie made by survivalists, and their ghost writers. ;)

 
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OK, my technowiz wife found a streaming site, so we wasted an hour and 40 minutes of our lives after dinner tonight. So here's my unredacted, brutally honest review.

SPOLIER ALERT: I'm not really giving away anything that isn't in the trailer. In fact the trailer covers most of the important scenes anyway, the rest is just a guy getting drunk at every opportunity, some really stupid people, with, and without guns, and girl talk. In fact, just watch the trailer and you'll be good.

If you can get past the near total lack of character development, and the old fat guy who's only apparent role was to run a couple of hillbilly militia guys down with a car, and then die of an unnecessary gunshot wound. Because the journalists, in a war zone, didn't have a Band-Aid or Quik-Clot. Then, if you can ignore the predictable progression of changing of the guard from the old jaded photographer to the young fresh, daringly stupid and seriously flat chested young girl photojournalist.

I did expect her to at least pick up the old gals camera - like the kid did at the end of "The Shootist." All in all not a bad B movie.

But before you start watching, and frequently throughout the presentation - remind yourself it's entertainment, not a documentary. Ukraine is a documentary.

Anyway, it was a great movie for what we paid. Go watch it, the actors can probably use the money. Since they'll never work again. ;)
 
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I did expect her to at least pick up the old gals camera
Saw it tonight at the theater and I was sure she was going to pick her hero's camera up and get the money shot with it. :LOL:
It was just ok. The reviews did well to describe the lack of development of the different factions or their political motives (which was my wife's complaint, "I couldn't figure out who was who"). The first fire fight scene did suggest Boogaloo boys to me (Hawaiian shirts on the civilian combatants) but that was as close of a tie that could be made to a current group. I personally assumed the hillbilly militia guy run down with a car was a government soldier but that was probably just my bias to assume he was with the government since he was a bad guy. It is certainly about the journalists' experience over a "Civil War" movie. I did feel it showed what may be a realistic version of what could occur in another US civil war. Destruction of infrastructure, civilian displacement and many factions fractured and disconnected with their own personal local and national motivations and purposes. Those concepts could have been explored more but as I said it was definitely about the journalist's experience not about the civil war. Bottom line unless you've nothing better to do, wait and watch it at home.
 
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This, like much of the dreck put our by Hollyweird is of zero interest to me, esp to pay to see this.


BTW - so bad, the entire plot/story is laid out as a Wiki entry. That says volumes by itself.

Civil War (film) - Wikipedia

Also, this graphic shows how out of touch the writer was/is

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Map depicting the division of the United States in the movie
Loyalist states (blue)
Western Forces (green)
Florida Alliance (red)
New People's Army (mustard)

what's missing is the color of bull...stuff.
 
#26 ·
This, like much of the dreck put our by Hollyweird is of zero interest to me, esp to pay to see this.


BTW - so bad, the entire plot/story is laid out as a Wiki entry. That says volumes by itself.

Civil War (film) - Wikipedia

Also, this graphic shows how out of touch the writer was/is

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Map depicting the division of the United States in the movie
Loyalist states (blue)
Western Forces (green)
Florida Alliance (red)
New People's Army (mustard)

what's missing is the color of bull...stuff.
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But before you start watching, and frequently throughout the presentation - remind yourself it's entertainment, not a documentary.
 
#28 ·
This film must have been better than the credit I gave it, because I'm still reading this thread and thinking about it the next day.

Interesting trivia. The red head militia guy, is the husband of the jaded photojournalist gal. They didn't have anyone for the part so he was drafted. I think he actually gave a pretty realistic performance.

BTW - over 100 journalists have been killed, so far covering gaza. Kinda wild. But the numbers may be skewed by politics.

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#34 ·
This film must have been better than the credit I gave it, because I'm still reading this thread and thinking about it the next day.
Right? It not that I think it is a great movie or one to be watched over and over again but if approached from the the right way or perspective, its not bad. Also at looking at the "map" I may have been right to assume the red head militia guy was aligned with government forces. If the "map" is any indication, he seemed to think that the two women photo journalists were ok because they were from Missouri and Colorado which are loyalist states.
 
#42 ·
You had me until "It could have been about scary fascists fighting for a Trump-like politician and democracy-loving good guys who prevail over evil at the very end."
 
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