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I've heard so much about how the Mossberg 590 is an improvement over the 500, in particular the "Persuader" model, which I currently have. The one thing I hear about most is that the 590 has a metal trigger guard as opposed to the plastic one on the 500.

Well, I went to my local shop yesterday and took a look at a 590. It was a used one, with a bayonet lug and included a bayonet. When the shop owner handed it to me, I checked the trigger guard to see how it was different. It was plastic! In fact the whole thing looked and felt similar to my 500. I thought the 590 was supposed to be a little heavier. I turned it over to look at the writing on the bottom of the receiver and sure enough, it said "Mossberg 590". The barrel around the heat shield was really scratched up too. The price for it was $320, but he said he'd knock it down to $300 if I didn't want the bayonet. Can't imagine what I'd do with it.

But anyway, how can a 590 have a plastic trigger guard. Were they ever made that way sometime in the past? Or is that how they are making them now?
 

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I've heard so much about how the Mossberg 590 is an improvement over the 500, in particular the "Persuader" model, which I currently have. The one thing I hear about most is that the 590 has a metal trigger guard as opposed to the plastic one on the 500.

Well, I went to my local shop yesterday and took a look at a 590. It was a used one, with a bayonet lug and included a bayonet. When the shop owner handed it to me, I checked the trigger guard to see how it was different. It was plastic! In fact the whole thing looked and felt similar to my 500. I thought the 590 was supposed to be a little heavier. I turned it over to look at the writing on the bottom of the receiver and sure enough, it said "Mossberg 590". The barrel around the heat shield was really scratched up too. The price for it was $320, but he said he'd knock it down to $300 if I didn't want the bayonet. Can't imagine what I'd do with it.

But anyway, how can a 590 have a plastic trigger guard. Were they ever made that way sometime in the past? Or is that how they are making them now?
Pass on the bayonet. They fall off when you shoot the gun. Fail. I bought one for a friend and we were both a bit embarrassed when it fell off during the first magazine through the weapon.
 

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I have a M500 and a M590SP. Your post enticed me to go take a look and yes, the trigger guard is plastic BUT then I scratched my chin and asked myself...so what? I never realized it...never really thought about it, and I've never had a problem with it. I'm not sure if they have always been that way, so I'm interested in seeing what others respond to the question. I've had both mine's a couple of years, and my 590SP is definitely heavier than my 500.
 

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The trigger guard of the 590A1 is metal.

But don't worry, even the 870 Police models now feature plastic trigger guards and they hold up very well.
 

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The point is, that still most people think metal is more solid than plastic.

And from my knowledge the only 590 model still featuring a metal trigger guard is the 590A1.

If you would hear what the plastic haters say, my Glocks and H&Ks would have bursted years ago...
 

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mention of glock in a shotgun thread lol

some peaple just dont like plastic,its a man made synthetic materiel,some like nature meterials.the main reason for using plastic in guns is to make the manufacture process cheaper(cheap being a key word).so right off the bat u got concerns cause u get what u pay for.theres plenty of 100+ year old metal guns fully operational,will take some time to see 100 year old plastic gun do that.some peaple like heavy metal some like easy listening.im sure theres alot of reasons,all comes down to personal preference.glock lovers being personaly offended if they see people that dont like plastic shows how well glock marketed there gun and how brand loyal americans are.there are a number of other striker fires and plastic guns just as good or better then glock.and the fact that they only make a striker fire is another turn off for some people.HK,fnx or px4 would be the better option,for me anyway.

this is interesting,i planed to get a 590 special purpose but would rather have a metal trigger group.might just stick with my wishlist of an old Ithaca trench gun.there not 8 shot like the new shotguns tho:( i did get a maverick 88 8 shot for 199$ couldnt resist,another 100$ to make it tacticool.i should of waited and saved for the 590a1.

is the reason for bayonet falling off because of the bigger recoil over the ar 15?thats the main reason i wanted 1 and the heavier METAL barrel.:thumb::thumb:
 

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I have a 590, "plastic" trigger guard, lighter barrel.

The A1 has the heavier barrel and metal parts.

Thank the Navy for those Stat's, i think its overkill for civilian use.
 

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Glocks are made MOSTLY of plastic.

What's your point?
So is my XD9. That's not what I'm concerned about though. It's just that I've heard all the time that the Mossberg 590 had a metal trigger guard and that was one of the reasons people wanted it over the 500. So I was surprised to find a 590 with a plastic trigger guard. Also makes me wonder why people pay so much more for it over the 500 if it's basically the same, except for 1 more shell capacity.
 

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So is my XD9. That's not what I'm concerned about though. It's just that I've heard all the time that the Mossberg 590 had a metal trigger guard and that was one of the reasons people wanted it over the 500. So I was surprised to find a 590 with a plastic trigger guard. Also makes me wonder why people pay so much more for it over the 500 if it's basically the same, except for 1 more shell capacity.
"so is my xd9"made me lol

i dont understand mossbergs pricing ether.they got the combos,well had them for 250 ish and they had 2 barrels.but they wanted 350 for a pursuader with 1 shorter barrel,a pistol grip and not even a heat shield or muzzle break added(i think those models was 400+).seems like alot cheaper to manufacture but cost 100$ more?thats why i got the cheapo maverick until i researched it more and shop around.i still get some experience striping it down and get a feel for the 500/590.
 

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9mmParabellum said:
...some peaple just dont like plastic,its a man made synthetic materiel,some like nature meterials...
If you refer to wooden grips, it is a natural material.

Steels and alloys are also man made materials. Some steels are of doubtful quality.

All man made materials can fail, so can natural materials.

You are right when talking about personal preferences, but that is no valid argument.

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if the barrel is not the thick walled one you have the civi version of the 590 A1.
I have not seen a 590A1 receiver with a thin pipe attached. If it is a 590A1, it comes with a thick walled barrel.
 

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If you refer to wooden grips, it is a natural material.

Steels and alloys are also man made materials. Some steels are of doubtful quality.

All man made materials can fail, so can natural materials.

You are right when talking about personal preferences, but that is no valid argument.



I have not seen a 590A1 receiver with a thin pipe attached. If it is a 590A1, it comes with a thick walled barrel.
personal preferences is the most valid,since it ends the argument.you cant argue someone is wrong because they like metal...just like i cant argue your wrong for liking glock.i suppose i should of used the example of "metal just feels better" to save any compiled technicalities.

im not a scientist but i done some quick googling on both.while i didnt find anything about synthetic or artificial referring to steel or alloy.i did see those words fluently in reference to plastics,polymers and synthetic rubber(rubber being a reason for the invent of "plastics" or "plastics" being the byproduct of).steels and alloys wasnt invented to replace iron but to merely refine it to particular uses.synthetics are invented to replace natural materials.the act of man making a artificial replacement for a natural material better describes my use of "man made".

btw i noticed i talk a bit to much,sorry bout that lol
 

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After looking at the various 590 and 500 models not exactly sure what your paying extra for. The sight I went to had a 500 with 9 rnd tube and barrel, along with an extra pistol grip for $342, while the plane jane 590 was $424. Yea it had a heat shield but that was all of $39 if you just bought a shield to add on, so there is $43 in there that not sure what your getting. Plus the heat shield is a bit short for the longer barrel, seems they would have made a special longer one for the 20" barrel.

Some of the other 500 models they are peddling the only market they can be aimed at is the mall ninja crowd. The 'road blocker' with that huge 50 cal style muzzle brake, yea I will pass. Or the 'rolling thunder' with the overly long 'barrel stabilizer' looks more like something you would shoot tennis balls out of. And just seems to add 6" of unneeded length, the picatinny rail screwed to the stabilizer was a nice touch.
 

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If you refer to wooden grips, it is a natural material.

Steels and alloys are also man made materials. Some steels are of doubtful quality.

All man made materials can fail, so can natural materials.

You are right when talking about personal preferences, but that is no valid argument.



I have not seen a 590A1 receiver with a thin pipe attached. If it is a 590A1, it comes with a thick walled barrel.
you are corerct the thin walled one is just a 590
 

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After looking at the various 590 and 500 models not exactly sure what your paying extra for. The sight I went to had a 500 with 9 rnd tube and barrel, along with an extra pistol grip for $342, while the plane jane 590 was $424. Yea it had a heat shield but that was all of $39 if you just bought a shield to add on, so there is $43 in there that not sure what your getting. Plus the heat shield is a bit short for the longer barrel, seems they would have made a special longer one for the 20" barrel.

Some of the other 500 models they are peddling the only market they can be aimed at is the mall ninja crowd. The 'road blocker' with that huge 50 cal style muzzle brake, yea I will pass. Or the 'rolling thunder' with the overly long 'barrel stabilizer' looks more like something you would shoot tennis balls out of. And just seems to add 6" of unneeded length, the picatinny rail screwed to the stabilizer was a nice touch.
Don't forget the 'chainsaw' LOL!!
http://www.armoryblog.com/gun-gear-reviews/mossberg-500-chainsaw-review/
 

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I have never had an issue with the plastic trigger guard on my 500 or 590. its really not the big of deal, but if you want the metal guard get a 590A1. One nice thing about plastic is it won't rust.
 

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personal preferences is the most valid,since it ends the argument.you cant argue someone is wrong because they like metal...just like i cant argue your wrong for liking glock.i suppose i should of used the example of "metal just feels better" to save any compiled technicalities.

im not a scientist but i done some quick googling on both.while i didnt find anything about synthetic or artificial referring to steel or alloy.i did see those words fluently in reference to plastics,polymers and synthetic rubber(rubber being a reason for the invent of "plastics" or "plastics" being the byproduct of).steels and alloys wasnt invented to replace iron but to merely refine it to particular uses.synthetics are invented to replace natural materials.the act of man making a artificial replacement for a natural material better describes my use of "man made".

btw i noticed i talk a bit to much,sorry bout that lol
Nice talk and interesting points.

When I was referring to steel and alloy as not natural material I had the process of production in mind. The steels and alloys used in firearms are not natural in the sense of you find the materials ready in earth. There are many processes involved and there is bad steel and good steel. Brazilian made steel was considered (and still is considered) one of the most high quality steels (Springfield Armory did use steel from Brazil, don't know if they still do).

The M14 clones made by Norinco suffered from poorly heat treated steel. The steel was too soft and you had to put money into the rifle to fix the problem. Just to give an example, that material quality can vary. Steel is not steel, polymer is not polymer.

Personal preferences. Polymer or let's say tupper ware (not used to badmouth plastic in general) offers advantages, like light weight for carrying, cleaning and maintenance intervals can be longer (I had a 1911, carbon steel, it did rust like hell, touched in the morning, in the evening the grip was brown).

Steel on the other hand has the advantage of adding weight, which some might prefer when shooting hot rounds, since it takes away some of the recoil.

I am honest: for shooting I prefer full steel, for carrying I prefer tupper ware.

Sorry for off topic.

Cheers
 
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