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I have to start off by talking first about a Winchester Model 1300 Defender 20GA. This was the only shotgun I had to use as a comparison to the Mossberg 500 Persuader.

The 1300 Defender was and is a great shotgun. The finish on it was a parkerized finish to where the Mossberg 500 I bought is a Blued finish.

The finish on the Mossberg is just great, it has that classic look. I keep thinking back to the old movies with Clint Eastwood and others. I also keep thinking of seeing LAW Enforcement as a kid with their 12GA riding up front in their cars.

The Mossberg has that look with the Blued finish and I think that is one of the things that drew me in to it, that and I wanted a 12GA shotgun.

I went and filled out the paper work for the Mossberg 500 Persuader and as soon as the guy behind the counter let me check it out I fell in love.

I quickly felt the difference in the two shotguns. The Winchester 1300 Defender felt a bit heaver then the Mossberg 500 does. The Mossberg 500 forend feels a little loose to where the Winchester 1300 Defender felt solid.

I don’t see this as being a draw back or a big deal just something I felt in it right away. I think this is something that the Winchester 1300 Defender might have a problem with if in a combat situation and again it might not.

The Mossberg 500s have had to prove combat reliability and I can see where being a little loose might let it get by with a bit of dirt, but then again I don’t know this for fact.

I do like on the Mossberg 500 of not having anything in the way when I go to load a shell in. The door at the bottom of the receiver on the Winchester 1300 was something I think in a high stress environment may have caused me to drop a shell in a quick reload.

When I got the shotgun home I kept putting it up to my shoulder and trying my hardest to see if the 20” barrel was worth it to me and if I should have went with the 18” barrel.

I can say for sure now that I’m glad I went 20” over the 18” barrel. I for one cant tell the difference in the length for use in the house or any added weight. I also like the fact that I have a 7+1 shotgun over a 5+1.

I know that one or two shells doesn’t sound like a lot but to me it meant a lot and a factory I kept in my search for a new 12GA shotgun.

The stock on both the Winchester 1300 and Mossberg 500 are great out of the box stocks. The Mossberg feels a bit lighter then the Winchester did. The forends both feel the same and really almost look the same.

I will now move on to the trigger guard on the Mossberg. I know some come with the metal and some come with the molded plastic. I have the molded plastic and if I thought it was going to be a problem, well I wouldn’t own a Glock.

The trigger guard feels very stronger and I think its one that would take a lot of abuse to break it. I believe my Winchester 1300 had a metal guard and now looking at my Mossberg I’m not 100% sure on that.

The Mossberg came in really oiled up and that’s the first thing I set out to do when I got it home was to clean it up a bit. I have it wiped down and cleaned up and looking good.

I’m looking at it now thinking if and what I should add to it and my answer is, nothing, nothing at all.

I really like where the safety is located over the Winchester 1300 and where Remington has there. I can see how much easier it would be if your left handed. The Winchester had their safety right at the guard just a button. I liked it but I like that I can see right after my shot that it’s a hot weapon or a safe one.

I also read on a few boards that the Mossberg 500s had a rattle to it. I have not heard it or felt one in mine as of yet. I thought I would find that as soon as I got it but nothing as of yet.

I think if your on a tight budget and I hate to put that word in with the name Mossberg cause this really isn’t a budget gun.

I looked at all the shotguns out there and asked a lot of questions. I looked at the prices locally and on the net. The Mossberg fit what I could spend and where I could spend it at.

I didn’t go locally to buy the gun as all the shops in town had used Mossbergs with a hunting barrel for $175 and that just didn’t make sense for me to do when I don’t hunt and all I wanted was a HD/SD/SHTF gun.

I started looking around on the net more and more getting my info and prices. The local shops couldn’t compete with Buds Gun Shop. This same Mossberg 500 retails in my area for $394-$415 out the door.

When I found Buds Gun Shop I was a little worried the prices where to good to be true. I had that voice in my head ask questions, find out more, don’t buy it just yet. The $296 shipped price tag was so tempting and one that might make you not ask anyone about the gun shop.

I felt good about ordering after talking with a few people that had and have dealt with them and after my local pawn shop FFL guy said he has had no problems with them. I took the plunge and waited for my order.

The process took a bit long I felt but after seeing how many orders where going out a day and talking with Buds I understood why they put it will ship in 3-7 business days. I think it shipped on the fourth day. I also ordered it on a Friday and that didn’t help me any or them.

I would recommend them again and I would order from them again. They where there to answer any and all my questions fast and without hesitation. The one guy that I talked with the most called me even after hours to answer my question and help me get my order going.

I had to wait a bit on getting FFL paper work in to them as it had expired and it took a day and half to get it in the system.

If you looking for a shotgun and want a great looking and a great shotgun at a great price look at the Mossberg 500 and take a look at Buds Gun Shop.

Thanks for reading and I will have some pictures and a range review up soon. I will not be able to shoot it till at Christmas time when I’m out in the country just me and the Mossberg.

Now if your still reading this and thinking I have something more to stay well stop reading and go shoot now.
 

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A good write up, sir!

That 7+1 Persuader is getting to be extremely popular among the HD/SD folks around here, too.

If you ever decide to try the shorter length for hunting or anything, all you need to do is buy a 5+1 barrel and add a 5+1 mag tube to your gun. Keep your eyes open and you can often find the barrel/tube combo for as little as $60.

Congrats on the buy.

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A good write up, sir!

That 7+1 Persuader is getting to be extremely popular among the HD/SD folks around here, too.

If you ever decide to try the shorter length for hunting or anything, all you need to do is buy a 5+1 barrel and add a 5+1 mag tube to your gun. Keep your eyes open and you can often find the barrel/tube combo for as little as $60.

Congrats on the buy.

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Hey thanks and I tried to be up front and honest in this review. I know there are fans of both the Mossberg and Remington. I pointed out what everyone is talking about in the forend being wobble and thats something I dont see as a big deal and one that if dirt did get in it that might be a good thing.

I liked the Remington but just couldnt afford to get the one I wanted and I thought would it be worth it to me for an HD/SD/SHTF gun.

I then thought well the Military is using them in some of the worse places and I've been told by a few that are current Military serving have seen 500s to 590A1s in use.

I know the Remingtons are in use as well so then it just boilded down to price and if I wanted to save money for ammo and other preps.

That was another factor that swayed me to Mossberg and a 10 year warranty.
 

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I wouldn't trade my Persuader for anything. The only thing it needed (for my use) was a sling and a 5 shell elastic shell holder. It's been 100% in every respect for me.
 

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Always great to see ppl who like their new gun, but do everyone a favor and wait until a few thousand rounds before you proclaim yourself an expert on the gun and the firearm to have "reliability," ok?

..."How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live."
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Always great to see ppl who like their new gun, but do everyone a favor and wait until a few thousand rounds before you proclaim yourself an expert on the gun and the firearm to have "reliability," ok?

..."How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live."
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???? I haven't 'put a few thousand rounds' through anything I own.
LOL

I've been a shooter since I was 9 years old, come from a family of shooters,..
I KNOW when a firearm is serviceable and reliable. I don't have to wear one out to determine that. LOL
 

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Always great to see ppl who like their new gun, but do everyone a favor and wait until a few thousand rounds before you proclaim yourself an expert on the gun and the firearm to have "reliability," ok?

..."How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live."
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I dont think I proclaimed anything or to be an expert and like someone else just said you dont have to put a 1000 rounds to feel safe with something.

I feel the Mossberg is going to be a fine shotgun and like I said I will have a range report later on and if I find problems I will post that here.

The quote that you posted from Henry David Thoreau was a good one, so tell me are you doing that yourself or just posting it so we all can remind ourselves to do just that.
 

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Eh consider the source. Saying anything positive about the 500 makes the 870 fan-boys all snarky.
I think I gave an honest review of the Mossberg 500 Persuade and I even pointed out the one problem people have with the Mossberg 500s, the forend.

I like both the Remington and Mossbergs and if I could have been able to buy a Remington at a great deal I would have jumped on it.

I looked at an express and I think when I started reading on a lot of board the finish on them where having problem I said stay away from it.

They both are great shotguns and for me I wasnt buying just a name I wanted something in my price range and a lot of after market options.

The Mossberg just happend to be in my price range and has a lot of parts. The Remington has a lot as well but I just didnt see paying the extra money, I can spend that on ammo and other preps.

I couldnt beat Buds Gun Shop $296 plus 3% CC and $22 FFL charge. This was 328 out the door with a 10 year warranty.
 

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They both are great shotguns and for me I wasnt buying just a name I wanted something in my price range and a lot of after market options.

The Mossberg just happend to be in my price range and has a lot of parts. The Remington has a lot as well but I just didnt see paying the extra money, I can spend that on ammo and other preps.

I couldnt beat Buds Gun Shop $296 plus 3% CC and $22 FFL charge. This was 328 out the door with a 10 year warranty.
I've been wondering why more people dont go for the 7 + 1 Maverick 88 (the non-union mexican equivalent of your Persuader). $100 bucks cheaper, takes pretty much all the 500 accessories and the safety location seems like it would be better for conversion to a PG stock (if that's your thing).
 

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I've been wondering why more people dont go for the 7 + 1 Maverick 88 (the non-union mexican equivalent of your Persuader). $100 bucks cheaper, takes pretty much all the 500 accessories and the safety location seems like it would be better for conversion to a PG stock (if that's your thing).
You know I debated on the Maverickk 88 and I even came close to buying one. I think it was like $188 shipped. Thats not a bad deal at all.

I think when I started reading that some of the parts wont enter change and I was looking to when and if I ever had a problem or just wanted to change something I could with as little to no hassle.

I think the only differnce is the safty and the forend and thats it. I could be wrong on that and Im sure someone will call me on it.

I was told the Maverick 88's have the forend molded into the action bar, they can be changed but a bit of a hassle and could be costly.

I also liked I get a 10 year warranty over a 1 year. That is another great value on a great shotgun.
 

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...The quote that you posted from Henry David Thoreau was a good one, so tell me are you doing that yourself or just posting it so we all can remind ourselves to do just that.
Search my posts, and you'll see I don't post on stuff I don't know... and if I do, it's full of question marks or stated to let you know I'm trying to learn or prefaced with "based on what I've read." Internet experts who do their basic research and then like to spew hot air to all who will listen are a dime a dozen, so I try not to add to the misinformation. Take it FWIW...
 

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???? I haven't 'put a few thousand rounds' through anything I own.
LOL

I've been a shooter since I was 9 years old, come from a family of shooters,..
I KNOW when a firearm is serviceable and reliable. I don't have to wear one out to determine that. LOL
FYI, a few thousand rounds sure won't "wear out" a quality firearm.

For a pump shotgun, typical range visit is probably 50-150rds (say 100 for easy math). Visiting the range every other week, minus a few holiday weekends, family days, etc, and you have roughly 20wks times 100rds = 2000rds/yr. In a year or two, you have a pretty good famliarity with the gun, so THEN go ahead and write a review of your trusty pump shotty... but why share your expertise with the masses as soon as you take it out of the factory box and dry fire it at the mirror a couple times? I guess I've just read a few too many of those "5 Stars! What a great looking gun! Just thanked my FFL guy, and I can't wait to go shoot it at the range" reviews... and I don't think those help anybody. JMO
 

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Are there any modifications for the release lever for pumping the 500 or 870?

Always felt kind of awkward trying to hit the release to pump them.
 

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Are there any modifications for the release lever for pumping the 500 or 870?

Always felt kind of awkward trying to hit the release to pump them.
The slide release is a safety function. It's not meant to be easy to press.

That's how most cops store their squad car riot gun... cocked empty to activate slide lock, then loaded, and safety on. That means it would take a BG awhile to figure out how to fire it if it was taken, and they'd probably have time to recover it.
 

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The slide release is a safety function. It's not meant to be easy to press.

That's how most cops store their squad car riot gun... cocked empty to activate slide lock, then loaded, and safety on. That means it would take a BG awhile to figure out how to fire it if it was taken, and they'd probably have time to recover it.
This is another reason I liked the Mossberg, the location is behind the trigger guard and easy to get with my hand.

The Winchester 1300 hundred I had was a bit harder for me to hit. The mossber has it located to rear and to the side real easy for me to hit and being right handed as well makes it easy.

I didnt handle the Remington but I believe it is locate to the front of the trigger guard.
 

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Search my posts, and you'll see I don't post on stuff I don't know... and if I do, it's full of question marks or stated to let you know I'm trying to learn or prefaced with "based on what I've read." Internet experts who do their basic research and then like to spew hot air to all who will listen are a dime a dozen, so I try not to add to the misinformation. Take it FWIW...
Oh really.

IMO, if you want a gun that's cheap yet decent quality to go bang for a few range trips per year and lots of showing off to friends as well as regular posing/"gotcha" in the mirror (that is sadly what many ppl use their shotgun for), then save a few bucks and go with Mossberg or even the cheaper WalMart stuff. If you want a firearm for skeet shooting, going to the range nearly every weekend, and/or hunting season after season... and maybe pass he shotgun along to your kid, go Remington or Benelli. Beretta and Browning also make some nice shotguns. JMO. If you don't want to take my word for it, go to your local skeet/trap club, and see what the majority of shooters use... won't be Mossbergs.
Oh where to start.. a few range trips a year huh? My 1970's vintage 500 has more than a few boxes of shells through it and it works just fine thankyouverymuch. Implying that a Remington is somehow more durable is just BS. Implying that the Benelli in particular is somehow proven more durable is complete fabrication (they haven't been in the civilian mass market for long enough to span generations). As for that last bit about what the majority of shooters in my local clays club are toting around.. yeah you're right won't be a Mossberg, but it won't be an 870, an 37 or a BPS either. They are using 28ga Citoris. Comparing a $5K over/under to a $300 pump is a bit absurd dontcha think?

But petty details aside, your tone and bias is quite unmistakable. You act like your performing some public service by giving a guy who took the time to review his new purchase a hard time when its pretty clear to me you just don't much care for what he said.
 

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Oh where to start.. a few range trips a year huh? My 1970's vintage 500 has more than a few boxes of shells through it and it works just fine thankyouverymuch. Implying that a Remington is somehow more durable is just BS. Implying that the Benelli in particular is somehow proven more durable is complete fabrication (they haven't been in the civilian mass market for long enough to span generations). As for that last bit about what the majority of shooters in my local clays club are toting around.. yeah you're right won't be a Mossberg, but it won't be an 870, an 37 or a BPS either. They are using 28ga Citoris. Comparing a $5K over/under to a $300 pump is a bit absurd dontcha think?

But petty details aside, your tone and bias is quite unmistakable. You act like your performing some public service by giving a guy who took the time to review his new purchase a hard time when its pretty clear to me you just don't much care for what he said.
Thank you and glad someone else said it lol and thought the same thing. I just gave a review of my first thoughts on my shotgun buy and like I said a range report to follow.

If I buy something and feel its a piece of crap Im the first one to say it and not look back on what I just spent.

I think they both are good shotguns and both get the job done. They both are long standing brands with a good name.

I pointed out the flaws that people have mentioned and said its one that wont bother me.

I didnt go with the Remington for two reasons. The first being the price and then only having a (I think) 6+1 gun and having to then buy the tube extension. The second being of hearing and reading about the finish having problems. I just thought well I wont take the chance on it and not being able to see one first hand before I buy I backed away.

The Mossberg I just bought will serve my needs well for HD/SD/SHTF shotgun and if not I guess it wont matter. :thumb:

I have said it once and will say it again the person on the other end of the gun that they where just shot with wont be asking "Hey was that a (Put Name Brand Here) or was it the ones the guys on all the boards said they sucked" and the story goes on and on...........................:taped:
 

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Hello all, RON here SERE SURPLUS

I want to say thanks to OlyarmsFan as well, he submitted an Honest review of his new shotgun and I'm sure he will tell us more after he has fired it and how that goes! As for Folks slinging opinions about this and that. well as someone said those are like buttholes and some folks act like one as well? I see it as a good thing he did, I thank him for it and as for the REM VS Mossy Debate I fall on the REM side for all my own reasons! I don't see any reason to run down another fellows pick of anything, be it a Gun, a Car or a woman? Those facts have kept me alive for more than 50 years now and I as well know what I'm talking about! Lets all try and keep a perspective, no one 'KNOWS IT ALL" and NO ONE HAS "DONE IT ALL", I stack my accomplishments and Travels against most men and I still don't try to sling the mud? Takes all kinds but many of those kinds are fools! Something my Dad told me when i was glowing up who knew how right he was till now?


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