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I think that ppl age out of one role and into another. In my case I have aged out of a fighter role and am now a movement casualty. My current role is in support. I collect gear and tools,. When eyes are needed and information gathered, I am one of many. The great part about getting old is that ppl discount you, so you become more socially invisible, and that has value. The more infirm looking, the more observant, like children, everywhere yet unnoticed. Thats another minuteman role. The eyes and ears of the local effort. I collect gear and tools. I network. I pass on training from younger days. There are many sides to this. Its an effort, not a lone wolf.
When you walk with a pronounced limp, joints pop loud enough to be heard across a room with every step you take people have a way of over looking you, they know where you are from sound, don't pay attention to what/where you're looking, hell. I'd have a hard time sneaking up on a deaf person! It also gives you an excuse to be moving slower than those around you enabling you to be more observant.
 

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I've been reading Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and while it's primarily geared toward business leadership he talks about combat situations and the tactics he used commanding SEAL teams to demonstrate how he implemented the leadership principles he's explaining.

Basically a well trained, organized, coordinated, and equipped force that's fighting a group that's inferior in any or all of those areas, kills a lot of people compared to the people they lose when there's a straight up fight.

IMHO, "The Minutemen" as they are now are disorganized and will stay that way. The best organization they can realistically hope for is a tight-knit group (or cell) of maybe 5 people. They may be able to assemble for a large demonstration or counter demonstration but I don't see any mechanism for a command structure to coordinate maneuvers, supporting fire, covered withdrawals, exploitation of weak points, CASEVAC, or resupply. Yes that's what the militia is supposed to be, and yes we have militias. But most of the militias I've looked at are basically gun clubs full of fat guys who like referring to each other by the ranks they give themselves, and are not a viable force for organized action against a BLM/Antifa/radical left mob. Those militias that ARE capable of such action are probably so compromised by LE infiltration and pre-planned neutralization operations by LE that at best I would consider any survivors of their dismantlement to be a nucleus around which future organized groups can coalesce and evolve from during a time of upheaval.

If the Minutemen hope to effectively resist a professional military adversary, they need to forget about "guns n' gear" beyond the basics and focus on observation, tradecraft, analysis, communication, and community outreach. The number one thing the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan did to help US forces was to absolutely brutalize the civilians in the areas they controlled. ESPECIALLY areas that they took back. The Minutemen HAVE TO BE THE GOOD GUYS, every time, no matter what. The other key focus is disrupting enemy communications. The number one takeaway from that book is that without constant communications even the simplest operation falls apart. I don't know how vulnerable modern military radios are to things like spark gap generators, but if they are effective then every single Minuteman needs to know how to make one.
 

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We are headed for a collision with the enemy. The Socialist Leadership have been telling us exactly what they would do for the last two years if they take the White House. The Socialist plan for America will be in action by Spring. The Socialists stopped hiding their intentions. There will be a time very soon when we will all have a decision to make and not much time to do it. I will not take a knee. The next prepper meet up will be on battlefield, reeducation camp or the morgue. We are on the leading edge of the end of America. Time for preparation is over. Roll with what you have. Later.
 

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in 2016 one of the board members ordered patches " the deplorable's" did he order more for this election?
looking to add to my collection
 

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We are headed for a collision with the enemy. The Socialist Leadership have been telling us exactly what they would do for the last two years if they take the White House. The Socialist plan for America will be in action by Spring. The Socialists stopped hiding their intentions. There will be a time very soon when we will all have a decision to make and not much time to do it. I will not take a knee. The next prepper meet up will be on battlefield, reeducation camp or the morgue. We are on the leading edge of the end of America. Time for preparation is over. Roll with what you have. Later.
 

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Got a wierd body armor question. Asked me what two layers of level two would stop. He didnt specify and I had no clue. I wore that in my early 20s and swore it off for life. Way too old for that now....what could he slip between them to increase the ballistic protection? He hasnt asked yet but he will. I suspect that its a wieght issue of the plates. Eh.
 

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Got a wierd body armor question. Asked me what two layers of level two would stop. He didnt specify and I had no clue. I wore that in my early 20s and swore it off for life. Way too old for that now....what could he slip between them to increase the ballistic protection? He hasnt asked yet but he will. I suspect that its a wieght issue of the plates. Eh.
That's what level 3+s are for.
 

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Got a wierd body armor question. Asked me what two layers of level two would stop. He didnt specify and I had no clue. I wore that in my early 20s and swore it off for life. Way too old for that now....what could he slip between them to increase the ballistic protection? He hasnt asked yet but he will. I suspect that its a wieght issue of the plates. Eh.
I recently added some extremely thin and light Level III plates. They're only rated up to 44 Mag and shotgun, but outside of purposely heading to a gun fight, they are far more concealable and feasible for EDC during all conditions leading up to condition RED. Outside of actual combat, the threat of being shot is about 99% by handgun caliber vice a rifle caliber. While I'm trying these hard plates (Spartan Armor, Armis Level IIIA curved plates, 1.5lb and 3/8" per plate), soft armor has it's place and is likely more wearable and more likely to be worn when the SHTF is just starting to hit the fan.

If SHTF and I make it home, I can step up my armor package to III+. I've debated level IV plates, but honestly, the chance of facing armor piercing and dedicating yourself to wearing that much weight is not realistic for me personally. As much as I don't care for steel plates, they do have an indefinite shelf life and unaffected by temperature extremes (if you live in the South. My son took my steel plates, but I may pick up a new pair and leave that carrier in my truck. High-end plates are at home...options are a good thing, just do your own assessment of your own situation matched to threats you have templated for your area.

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I've been reading Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and while it's primarily geared toward business leadership he talks about combat situations and the tactics he used commanding SEAL teams to demonstrate how he implemented the leadership principles he's explaining.

Basically a well trained, organized, coordinated, and equipped force that's fighting a group that's inferior in any or all of those areas, kills a lot of people compared to the people they lose when there's a straight up fight.

IMHO, "The Minutemen" as they are now are disorganized and will stay that way. The best organization they can realistically hope for is a tight-knit group (or cell) of maybe 5 people. They may be able to assemble for a large demonstration or counter demonstration but I don't see any mechanism for a command structure to coordinate maneuvers, supporting fire, covered withdrawals, exploitation of weak points, CASEVAC, or resupply. Yes that's what the militia is supposed to be, and yes we have militias. But most of the militias I've looked at are basically gun clubs full of fat guys who like referring to each other by the ranks they give themselves, and are not a viable force for organized action against a BLM/Antifa/radical left mob. Those militias that ARE capable of such action are probably so compromised by LE infiltration and pre-planned neutralization operations by LE that at best I would consider any survivors of their dismantlement to be a nucleus around which future organized groups can coalesce and evolve from during a time of upheaval.

If the Minutemen hope to effectively resist a professional military adversary, they need to forget about "guns n' gear" beyond the basics and focus on observation, tradecraft, analysis, communication, and community outreach. The number one thing the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan did to help US forces was to absolutely brutalize the civilians in the areas they controlled. ESPECIALLY areas that they took back. The Minutemen HAVE TO BE THE GOOD GUYS, every time, no matter what. The other key focus is disrupting enemy communications. The number one takeaway from that book is that without constant communications even the simplest operation falls apart. I don't know how vulnerable modern military radios are to things like spark gap generators, but if they are effective then every single Minuteman needs to know how to make one.
It is easy to be an armchair keyboard commando. With many years of civilian militia service behind me I think people like you should put in some time helping to organize, train, and recruit before spouting off about most of them being gun clubs full of fat guys. The real militia is not what you think. Ever heard of S.P.I.K.E. for example?
 

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It is easy to be an armchair keyboard commando. With many years of civilian militia service behind me I think people like you should put in some time helping to organize, train, and recruit before spouting off about most of them being gun clubs full of fat guys. The real militia is not what you think. Ever heard of S.P.I.K.E. for example?
I'm not an "armchair keyboard commando". I've looked at a lot of militia groups, and most of them are exactly as I described. Granted, there could be many more that practice proper OPSEC and PERSEC and therefore can't be easily found on the internet. Those groups may in fact be the real deal instead of Red Dawn LARP clubs. But based on what I have seen, few militias are worthy of the name.
 

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It is easy to be an armchair keyboard commando. With many years of civilian militia service behind me I think people like you should put in some time helping to organize, train, and recruit before spouting off about most of them being gun clubs full of fat guys. The real militia is not what you think. Ever heard of S.P.I.K.E. for example?
I have not, what is S.P.I.K.E.?
 

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I'm not an "armchair keyboard commando". I've looked at a lot of militia groups, and most of them are exactly as I described. Granted, there could be many more that practice proper OPSEC and PERSEC and therefore can't be easily found on the internet. Those groups may in fact be the real deal instead of Red Dawn LARP clubs. But based on what I have seen, few militias are worthy of the name.
Most militias are not militias at all, but had you been around twenty years ago you would know that a real militia exists.
 

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I have not, what is S.P.I.K.E.?
S.P.I.K.E. is Specially Prepared Individuals for Key Events. The program was initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz back in January of 1993. Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative was the most decorated veteran of the Vietnam era. He took the skillsets taught to Green Berets, Navy SEALs, Rangers, CIA operatives, etc. and taught individual citizens with the charge that once you completed the program, you would organize and train other patriots.

I am one of the original graduates of the program. So, maybe I don't do fancy websites and get my face plastered all over the news, but you should know that I (and others like me) exist. We have tried to coordinate and work with the Internet militias, but the reality is if you put all of them together and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose. They fall for the most basic ruses designed to divide and conquer those that stand for Freedom and Liberty. The left has only ONE man to infiltrate their discussion boards and he can take down the real militia simply using grade school disinformation techniques. That's sad, but true. It is why I will never waste any more time on wannabe militias. Too many of them are select militias; many have forums similar to this one and if you don't toe the line, they ban you. Imagine that! You get censorship from the one organization charged with defending Rights. They go nowhere because they do not seek sound counsel.

Rest assured that there IS a militia. I am personally working on a project where we don't waste time crying and complaining about the situation, but rather offering a plan that will be aimed at being proactive - something more than pecking a keyboard, voting, writing to congresscritters, and the usual ineffective measures that the militia got sucked into doing. Don't judge the real militia by the antics of the keyboard commandos.
 

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S.P.I.K.E. is Specially Prepared Individuals for Key Events. The program was initiated by Lt. Col. James "Bo" Gritz back in January of 1993. Gritz, a former Green Beret and CIA operative was the most decorated veteran of the Vietnam era. He took the skillsets taught to Green Berets, Navy SEALs, Rangers, CIA operatives, etc. and taught individual citizens with the charge that once you completed the program, you would organize and train other patriots.

I am one of the original graduates of the program. So, maybe I don't do fancy websites and get my face plastered all over the news, but you should know that I (and others like me) exist. We have tried to coordinate and work with the Internet militias, but the reality is if you put all of them together and turned their brains into dynamite, you couldn't get enough charge to blow one's nose. They fall for the most basic ruses designed to divide and conquer those that stand for Freedom and Liberty. The left has only ONE man to infiltrate their discussion boards and he can take down the real militia simply using grade school disinformation techniques. That's sad, but true. It is why I will never waste any more time on wannabe militias. Too many of them are select militias; many have forums similar to this one and if you don't toe the line, they ban you. Imagine that! You get censorship from the one organization charged with defending Rights. They go nowhere because they do not seek sound counsel.

Rest assured that there IS a militia. I am personally working on a project where we don't waste time crying and complaining about the situation, but rather offering a plan that will be aimed at being proactive - something more than pecking a keyboard, voting, writing to congresscritters, and the usual ineffective measures that the militia got sucked into doing. Don't judge the real militia by the antics of the keyboard commandos.
Thanks for the clarification as I had never heard of them before.
 

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Well we at least agree on your first point, but 20 years ago I was unconcerned with militias. 20 years ago I was still riding the bus to school. What does 20 years ago have to do with the state of modern day militias and "militias"?
Back in the 1990s you had real patriot groups and constitutionalists (neither term is used any longer). The militias backed groups that wanted to "return" to constitutional principles. Then the left moved in on the militias and the whole Constitution - patriots - constitutionalists - patriots caved in to the immigration activists. That led to the downfall of the militia as many of them got co-opted by the left, employing socialist strategies under the guise of solutions to real problems in America. Today, not having a legitimate Constitution to rally around (and most militia groups ignorant of or outright opposing our foundational principles), you have a lot of wannabe groups that are "against" this or "against" that and have no vision of what America should look like.

As such, they do not train; they have no think tanks; they have no intel organization from which to draw on... and worse, they kicked the old guard to the curb as if all the gains made by patriots and constitutionalists wasn't important. Now, they have literally nothing to defend. So, rely on the old guard. THAT represents the real militia.

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That should explain what is lacking.
 

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Back in the 1990s you had real patriot groups and constitutionalists (neither term is used any longer). The militias backed groups that wanted to "return" to constitutional principles. Then the left moved in on the militias and the whole Constitution - patriots - constitutionalists - patriots caved in to the immigration activists. That led to the downfall of the militia as many of them got co-opted by the left, employing socialist strategies under the guise of solutions to real problems in America. Today, not having a legitimate Constitution to rally around (and most militia groups ignorant of or outright opposing our foundational principles), you have a lot of wannabe groups that are "against" this or "against" that and have no vision of what America should look like.

As such, they do not train; they have no think tanks; they have no intel organization from which to draw on... and worse, they kicked the old guard to the curb as if all the gains made by patriots and constitutionalists wasn't important. Now, they have literally nothing to defend. So, rely on the old guard. THAT represents the real militia.

The Blueprint Begins NOW | Libertarian's Forum (freeforums.net)

That should explain what is lacking.
I dont remember that.

i remember that the media pulled no punches on lying about constitutionalists, about clinton and Gang making them out to be KKK and Nazi sympathisers and those who dared to become loud were dismissed and the start of the cancel culture occurred.
 
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