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So I am back again. We have had three recent threads regarding the mini14 that have all got to the main drawback of the platform in short order, the inherent lack of accuracy compared to many quality rifles on the shelf today. While many say, "get an AR" accurate, cheap mags, pretty reliable etc...., some dont have that option or just prefer the look and ergos of the mini.
If you like the mini, and want to see how mine has improved with photos and hard data, this is your thread, if you want to tell me the AR is more accurate, you are preaching to the choir, I have three, including one that will shoot an 1-1/4 at 200 meters.
First, my mini a 582 series, straight out of the box. This photo was in a previous thread.

This target was shot at either 40 or 50 meters. These early groups were 3inches + at i think 50 yards. that is 6-7 MOA.
EDIT ( just checked my notes, this target was 40 meters, 62grain green tip, grouped 3.25 a 4 inches for 7-8 MOA, )
Later, with handloads figured in, The rifle was shooting groups that averaged 3.5 MOA. Thats 3-1/2 inches center to center at 100yards with any fliers I called thrown out. Not so hot. The best group I could get was 2MOA with hand loads, some were over 5MOA close to 6. Vertical stringing was a problem with anhot barrel, as well as a tendency to put one near the center, then string 3-4 high and right.

I really liked this rifle , so I decided to try some aftermarket solutions.
First, the Accu-Strut.
Got it for 106 delivered, this is supposed to control barrel whip and work as a heat sink (not sync). Also supposed to make the rifle more stable by adding weight to the front. (8ounces)

Here it is with the strut installed, two clamps, two set screws, 10minutes if you read the directions, 5 if you do not.



And here are the results, shot at fifty meters, with different bullet weights, and the results, the brand and load are written next to each group, fliers called at the time of the shot are x'ed out. The scope shot 4.5 inches high after the strut was installed, the un marked groups are from rezeroing the scope.


The wolf 55grain gave me a 3/4 inch group, go figure, so did my hand loads.



Worst group with green tip 62 grain


i also got a 1.5 MOA group with 75grain Hornady steel match.

Clearly, the addition of the Accu-strut reduced my group size by almost half, and eliminated stringing. I feel it was well worth doing. I now feel confidnt to take this predator hunting and know it will do its job if I do mine.

I will follow up with any other modifications, I am thinking of a trigger job next. Any accuaracy improvment from here will be small however.

TRIGGER JOB UPDATE!!!

So I got the trigger job done,
Had this guy do it, http://www.greatwestgunsmithing.com/mini14.htm
$85 got it back in just about two weeks, feels super nice, a huge improvment.

Went to the Range today and shot several loads with new bullets and varying powders.





Previously my best groups were 1.5 MOA, after the trigger work I had one at MOA, and seven out if 12 were 1 3/4 MOA or less, this is a huge improvement out of the 4 to 8 MOA I had stock. Total cost of upgrades, less than $190, total invested in rifle, $940 including tax.
The best group was 1moa with 55grain vmax and h335
The next best was 69 grain SMK hpbt and varget
My most consistent groups came with varget regardless of bullet weight, 1 3/4 was the best I saw with h335 once the vmax bullets were out of the equation. So varget for Sierra and H335 when I cn get more Hornady vmax. In any case, I now have an accurate mini 14, and learned a bit along the way.
 

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Great project! Your results are excellent, and not all that unique ... which is the point isn't it. I don't have a Mini-14, but my Mini-30 was 2MOA out of the box and there are many who have taken them to sub-MOA accuracy using imported ammo, like your wolf example above. Some other things that help to get closer to sub-MOA:
- Trigger job
- MoReaper front sight/muzzle brake
- Tech Sight rear
- Stock bedding - gundoc has a great tutorial video on this.
- Since you already have the strut, you might just consider testing gas bushings. I think is $20 for a set of 4 different ones.
- light recoil spring/1911 buffer - smooths the action out for the 2nd shot.
And of course the right ammo helps regardless of the weapon.
 

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Thanks for posting this. I've been considering purchasing an Accu-strut, but wasn't sure if it would be worth it. This post is pretty solid evidence that the strut does make a real difference.
 

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If you do get to MOA or close accuracy ? what will the final cost be ? I understand the, I will figure out how to make it shoot better mentality, but will the cost and effort be worthwhile when you could buy an out of the box rifle that already shoots MOA and at very possibly less money and effort ?
 

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So I am back again. We have had three recent threads regarding the mini14 that have all got to the main drawback of the platform in short order, the inherent lack of accuracy compared to many quality rifles on the shelf today. While many say, "get an AR" accurate, cheap mags, pretty reliable etc...., some dont have that option or just prefer the look and ergos of the mini.
If you like the mini, and want to see how mine has improved with photos and hard data, this is your thread, if you want to tell me the AR is more accurate, you are preaching to the choir, I have three, including one that will shoot an 1-1/4 at 200 meters.
First, my mini a 582 series, straight out of the box. This photo was in a previous thread.

This target was shot at either 40 or 50 meters. These early groups were 3inches + at i think 50 yards. that is 6-7 MOA.
EDIT ( just checked my notes, this target was 40 meters, 62grain green tip, grouped 3.25 a 4 inches for 7-8 MOA, )
Later, with handloads figured in, The rifle was shooting groups that averaged 3.5 MOA. Thats 3-1/2 inches center to center at 100yards with any fliers I called thrown out. Not so hot. The best group I could get was 2MOA with hand loads, some were over 5MOA close to 6. Vertical stringing was a problem with anhot barrel, as well as a tendency to put one near the center, then string 3-4 high and right.

I really liked this rifle , so I decided to try some aftermarket solutions.
First, the Accu-Strut.
Got it for 106 delivered, this is supposed to control barrel whip and work as a heat sink (not sync). Also supposed to make the rifle more stable by adding weight to the front. (8ounces)

Here it is with the strut installed, two clamps, two set screws, 10minutes if you read the directions, 5 if you do not.



And here are the results, shot at fifty meters, with different bullet weights, and the results, the brand and load are written next to each group, fliers called at the time of the shot are x'ed out. The scope shot 4.5 inches high after the strut was installed, the un marked groups are from rezeroing the scope.


The wolf 55grain gave me a 3/4 inch group, go figure, so did my hand loads.



Worst group with green tip 62 grain


i also got a 1.5 MOA group with 75grain Hornady steel match.

Clearly, the addition of the Accu-strut reduced my group size by almost half, and eliminated stringing. I feel it was well worth doing. I now feel confidnt to take this predator hunting and know it will do its job if I do mine.

I will follow up with any other modifications, I am thinking of a trigger job next. Any accuaracy improvment from here will be small however.
Great post....I love my Mini 14...
 

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If you do get to MOA or close accuracy ? what will the final cost be ? I understand the, I will figure out how to make it shoot better mentality, but will the cost and effort be worthwhile when you could buy an out of the box rifle that already shoots MOA and at very possibly less money and effort ?
There are a lot of rifles that shoot better out of the box for a lot less $, so if thats what you want, you can find it easily. That is not what this thread is about.

If you dont have the training and ability to shoot well, no rifle or any amount of money will improve your ability, skill must be learned and developed over time, it cannot be purchased. I think we all get that, again, again not what this thread is about.

Here, let me help you make your point........
If I wanted a cheap rifle that shot well and I had good marksmanship fundamentals I would have bought this cheap DPMS sportical, shot this group with open sights at 100meters and posted this photo.
Oh never mind, i already did:xeye:

Nope, this thread is about the mini14 and how well the accustrut worked for me.
And I hope it helps someone else who likes their mini and is looking for ways to improve it.
 

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I have owned a couple of Mini-14's and they shot well, but I have never gone to the trouble of shooting for accuracy.
I am guessing here that you are refering to how much fun the mini is to shoot and how well it seems to work in practical everyday use........I concur, I love mine too:thumb:
 

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coming late to the thread I know...but rekindling my love of my old Ranch rifle...and really never complained about accuracy for what I had it for...a truck rifle for coyote sized targets...and honestly..in the heat of the moment when things are moving a lot faster than a paper target (lol).. I'm quite happy to place shots within 4 inches of each other..and in fact two seperate holes usually are better than 2 bullets in the same hole...so the min actually works well for me.
seeing that I have less than $350 in my old ranch and that includes a half dozen mags and a decent scope( yes i bought this long before Obama came to town).. I wouldn't mind adding another $100 to improve accuracy by as much as you are seeing... I'll check it out...

thanks again for the thread.
 

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the irony for me is that the reason I bought the mini was that years ago, ARs weren't all that common and the few guys that did have em...seemed a tad extreme..
the wife was actually against me bringing home a "military" looking evil black rifle... when I pointed out the mini ranch rifle to her...she said that was fine....it looked so much like her beloved 10/22

I explained to her that it shot the same ammo, had the same capacities etc as an AR...she said she got that, but the ranch looked like a gentleman's rifle and based on appearance alone she was good with the mini...so I took that oppty to snag one

nowadays when good Christian working middle-class conservative white folk are declared enemy of the state...she's got no problem with an AR10 standing in the corner.. I mention the AR10 cause I felt like the mini still covered my 223/5.56 platform category and that I just didn't need an ar15 rifle...but wanting something with more punch meant I was looking at a bolt gun or a military looking platform...when the topic came up this past year...she said..."you should get one"
 

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thanks Melting....just spent some time in the back yard range today with the mini..hadn't shot that rifle in almost 2 years...had forgotten how enjoyable it is to run.

I'll order an Accu-strut this week but really...the rifle did fine today...groupings were well within an inch at50-75yds just doing off hand shooting...I blame my own unsteadiness for any variation..not the gun...and the reality of that gun was always that i might have the sidewall of the truck bed as a gun rest..but that's as good as it gets for quick spot n shoot of a yote.
mine is an older 7 twist and it seems to like the 55-62 lake city brass just fine...
I've had some cheap russian bear stuff that came my way via a friend years back...shot it occassionaly...but you can literally see some tumblers come out of that stuff...some dirty charges, let burns, etc...that ammo is so inconsistent...and yet the mini never failed to cycle it...the rifle just plain works...not a Bushmaster..never said it was...but it made me smile this afternoon all the same.
 

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Love my Mini. Sure it's not as accurate as my AR, but to my eye it's just prettier. Plus it's run everything I've ever put through it, and I personally think it needs less maintenance and, being a lefty shooter it just works well for me without spending a pile of money on it. Also if you're shooting prone it lets you get right down a ground level. Try that with an AR.
 
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