[apocryphia]

ok guys so i know that we have some really great people on here that know people who are in militias or may in fact be in militia units themselves. We all know that there are good groups and bad ones out there, my question is how would one deal with these groups that one would concider "extreme" post event. what has me pondering this question is a really interesting book called "The Gathering storm: America's militia threat" by Morris Dees and James Corcoran from the southern poverty law centre. There were some interesting things they illustrated about the really extreme right wing militia groups and their connection to racist organizations. Im not trying to say they were right and the material may be dated (published in 1996) but i was honestly wondering if anyone had experienced something similar in people they have encountered. One conclusion that i had after reading the book was that post event these people would pose a serious threat to the general people who just want to be left alone. wondering if it would result in something like the guys from the movie the postman. thoughts?

 

[Brew]

Prime directive of militias of the 80s was never to come to a place like this, so you need to keep looking. Those folks are out there but the are not here. The people here have no doctrine, they just ask what if. Get it ? Keep looking, you will find what you are after. Just Like alien ships its out there. But its not here. Understand?

There are Patriots in the current JCoS that are known as YE. Young eagles. Look for them there, I doubt you have what it takes to discern, or continue, but feel free to keep looking, YE are all powerful, beyond thought. They will lay you to rest, or to sleep with no memory, before you learn.

Best to you and your quest.

 

[Fishbread]

Morris Dees...

Now I don't give a rip about the militias but that guy only cares about one thing and thats Morris Dees. Self serving and full of ****. If he told me the sun rises in the east I'd check his sources.

 

[Dwind]

Prime directive of militias of the 80s was never to come to a place like this, so you need to keep looking. Those folks are out there but the are not here. The people here have no doctrine, they just ask what if. Get it ? Keep looking, you will find what you are after. Just Like alien ships its out there. But its not here. Understand?

There are Patriots in the current JCoS that are known as YE. Young eagles. Look for them there, I doubt you have what it takes to discern, or continue, but feel free to keep looking, YE are all powerful, beyond thought. They will lay you to rest, or to sleep with no memory, before you learn.

Best to you and your quest.

HMMWHA?

 

[MarkfromMD]

I think if you feel threatened by extreme "bad" militias you would have to defend yourself by forming or joining a "good" militia for support

 

[Apocalypse Now]

Militias are in MANY cases just a new name for a secular KKK unit,they will emphatically deny that of course. They generally don't have America's best interest at hand,but in their own minds they think they do. While they will preach that they have assembled to protect the homeland from governments foreign and domestic, however if they were to gain power ,America would be in deep s**t.

 

[tein2012]

Regardless of this particular issue, I highly suggest you look into the history / POV of the "southern poverty law centre". It may help if you understand theri perspective.

 

[calsr]

HMMWHA?

My reaction to that post exactly.

 

[MarkfromMD]

I am in no way a supporter of hate groups or racism but I would take information from the SPLC with a grain of salt. They are very liberal and as with any group that puts out lists of "hate groups" there is a large bias.

 

[Straight Razor]

"The Gathering storm: America's militia threat" by Morris Dees and James Corcoran from the southern poverty law centre.

What I find interesting is the law center presumes it speaks for what is threatening, that is, what it defines as the threat is the threat. So, being the liberal organization it is, it views conservative action as a threat to the republic. Whereas I think one could make an argument that liberalism is a threat to the republic... taxes...welfare... creeping socialism...

One could argue the armed conservatives want to put the country back on the course it was once on, with less government, less welfare, entitlements et cetera, all threats to the republic. The liberals see such actions as threat to the dole they are on as a threat to the republic.

The key is what is the threat and to what? And the reality is he who makes the definitions usually wins. Conservatives have allowed liberals to paint conservatives as extremists when in reality it is the other way around.

 

[300WSM]

The strong rule the weak and the smart rule the strong. I am one of those who would just like to be left alone but since I face racial hatred in today’s society I know it would be worst after teotwawki. I know color does not define being a victim of racial hatred( we all can be victims) but since I’m in the group that represents only 3% of the population you can understand my concern.

 

[Herd Sniper]

What you generally have is one group of racists being condemned by another group of racists of the other color. Make no mistake about it, there ARE racists in all the different groups of people. David Duke is an example of a white racist. Jesse Jackson is an example of a black racist. So the SPLC, one group of radicals/racists, objects to the KKK or neo-Nazis, another group of racists/radicals, for existing and the KKK or neo-Nazis return the favor towards the SPLC. And what do all these racist groups have in common? A: They try to separate elderly people from their money or retirement funds and they use young, naive people to do their bidding. These groups are all alike in what they do, how they operate and they all have the same goal of spreading, "Hurray for OUR side."

 

[kajunman1]

Right wing militias were big in the 90's. That was the only place for many people to go. An information revolution and 9-11 has taken place since then. The militias aren't what they were, but Obama President, a Waco, Randy Weaver incident, or Second Amendment threats, could bring them back ferociously.

I believe these group would have clear conservative ideals, and the enemy would Liberals and Muslims.

 

[madmike]

There is a current surge in the militia movement.. I have started a unit, and I am trying to get things going state wide as well... Nebraska is active..

Now, just like everything else.. there are bad apples.. always have been, always will be.. and you will just have to deal with them like you deal with any bad apple.. toss em out of the basket...

I can say for my group, and for the militia as a whole.. that the majority of them are not looking forward to a race war, and we are not trying to start one either.. as I understand it, the current militia movement is made up of people who do sense something bad coming down the pike, and we are simply organizing and preparing towards those ends..

-MadMike

 

[test]

It seems that the US government is doing a fine job for the people that elected it.

No need for a militia here.

 

[wildjo]

What I find interesting is the law center presumes it speaks for what is threatening, that is, what it defines as the threat is the threat. So, being the liberal organization it is, it views conservative action as a threat to the republic. Whereas I think one could make an argument that liberalism is a threat to the republic... taxes...welfare... creeping socialism...

One could argue the armed conservatives want to put the country back on the course it was once on, with less government, less welfare, entitlements et cetera, all threats to the republic. The liberals see such actions as threat to the dole they are on as a threat to the republic.

The key is what is the threat and to what? And the reality is he who makes the definitions usually wins. Conservatives have allowed liberals to paint conservatives as extremists when in reality it is the other way around.

Man, it would be great to live in your simple minded world where everything boils down to liberals "bad", conservatives "good". If you have something actually constructive to say on topic, it would be great. For instance, wipe the drool off the corner of your mouth and provide some sources that refute the book's findings. Other sources than your hyper-rapid conservative bias.

As for the question, I'd certainly be concerned about a militia near me. I'd want to find out as much as I could about them. Obviously, the SPLC can help (they collect data on the groups), but asking around may also yield good info. They might be no problem.

 

[MarkfromMD]

Man, it would be great to live in your simple minded world where everything boils down to liberals "bad", conservatives "good". If you have something actually constructive to say on topic, it would be great. For instance, wipe the drool off the corner of your mouth and provide some sources that refute the book's findings. Other sources than your hyper-rapid conservative bias.

As for the question, I'd certainly be concerned about a militia near me. I'd want to find out as much as I could about them. Obviously, the SPLC can help (they collect data on the groups), but asking around may also yield good info. They might be no problem.

????wth????

 

[wingless93]

Man, it would be great to live in your simple minded world where everything boils down to liberals "bad", conservatives "good". If you have something actually constructive to say on topic, it would be great. For instance, wipe the drool off the corner of your mouth and provide some sources that refute the book's findings. Other sources than your hyper-rapid conservative bias.

As for the question, I'd certainly be concerned about a militia near me. I'd want to find out as much as I could about them. Obviously, the SPLC can help (they collect data on the groups), but asking around may also yield good info. They might be no problem.

I don't agree with most of the militias. But have you ever noticed that whenever you say the word militia people with The Communist Manifesto tatooed to their forehead start popping out of the woodwork.

I'll tell you what. Show me a socialist regime that has not become a dictatorship and I will listen to you.(FACT)

Power draws people. Usually the worst kind of people. our founding fathers created a government with most of the power residing with the states for a reason. (FACT)

If socialism is so great why is it that most socialist revolutions must use nationalist rhetoric to gather support.( FACT)


And If you are wondering why I used the mad Smiley. I lost two uncles and a third cousin as they fought communist scumbags like you . If you don't like it kiss my red blooded AMERICAN rear.

 

[wingless93]

Sry guys didn't mean to go off. I am just so sick of so called liberals who don't have the guts to say what they really are and trying to say they believe in freedom.:

 

[apocryphia]

like i said before, i understand that there are both good and bad groups out there, im not looking for a group to join at all, just wanted to spur discussion on something i happened across in the college library when looking for books for a paper that im writing for my history class. good to see that there are many different points of view and theres acutally a discussion going on and it hasnt turned into a insult match.