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Heres what search brought up.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/search.php?searchid=2876299

Heres a good link about using the A.L.I.C.E as a B.O.B.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=11490&highlight=Alice+Pack

And here is a video on the comparison of the Medium and Large A.L.I.C.E

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=2999&highlight=Alice+Pack

And here is a GREAT thread on upgrading the pack to be more comfortable.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=47472&highlight=Hellcat

Page five on that last thread explains how to use a M.O.L.L.E pack or it's contents to upgrade the A.L.I.C.E.
 

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alice pack or molle for bug out bag

Even though I really like the medium alice, I think its a little too small for anything longer then 2 - 3 days in cool - hot weather. I have heard of Vietnam vets living out of their alice packs for weeks while on patrol. But its not like they had a real choice.

The large alice is nice, but the way its designed makes me lean forward when its loaded.

The large molle pack - 4,000 cubic inches - seems like a nice pack. I bought one a few weeks ago, but have yet to take it on a hiking / camping trip.

If I had to pick one pack for 3+ days, it would have to be the large molle. Its big enough to carry a nice sized sleeping bag, and it looks like its better designed then the large alice.

My 3 complaints about the large molle:

It does not have enough external pouches. The large alice has 6 external pouches - 3 small, and 3 large. The medium alice has 3 external pouches.

No internal radio pouch - this has to be purchased separate.

Plastic frame - come on, plastic?????
 

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There is a great post not 3 posts below this on making the Hellcat (Mine is in progress!)

Anyway you will find a LOT of support for the Alice pack here.

Main Pros so far are:
Durability/Reliability
Good cubic inch capacity for the price

Cons:
You look military when carrying it.
Commercial packs can provide more capacity and less conspicuousness.
Commercial packs also offer internal frames which some are partial to.
 

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Alice is my girl

I have had an on again off again love afair with Alice for almost 40 years.

Every now and then I get tempted away by something younger and flasher but I keep comeing back to Alice.

Mine is a large. It fits well the type of camping I do and is always BOB packed even when we go for a weekender.

The frame is very useful after you have set up a base camp. And a shelf is a must but getting very hard to find.

I have an extra shelf I have been thinking of trading or selling off but have not found the right deal yet.

Give Alice a try. She will not let you down.
 

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Alice packs are a much debated item, but their durability can't be denied. If you are looking for a dedicated BOB, the medium should fit the bill. The large will carry a band of gypsies and a three ring circus, with room to spare.;)
 

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ive got all 4 a molle II ,alice pack large, alice pack med,and a LARGE hellcat. i pack my stuff in the hellcat :thumb:

they say an LARGE alice pack /w frame straps, and kidney belt weighs 6.8LB and has 3,800 cu in.. a med weight is 5.8 LB and has 2,350 cu in of space. not sure of the weight of the molleII sleeping bag carrier,straps and kidney belt if you make a hellcat but i would say at least +1lb (so the hellcat LARGE /w sleeping bag carrier would be closer to 8LB and 5,400 cu in :thumb:)
http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page84.shtml

this is the molle i got
http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_molle_pack.php


the main pouch of the molle really isnt bigger than the med alice. you dont pack your sleeping bag in side of the med alice it was designed to be straped outside of the pack.but if you want to spend the money and buy all the extra pounches you can buy for the molle, you could make it as big as a large alice. but it also depends on which molle your talking about.

http://www.us-elitegear.com/catalog/molle-ii-assault-pack-large.htm

the biggest/best of all four packs is the hellcat. :thumb:

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=47472&highlight=hellcat&page=2
 

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I used to be an ALICE fan. Surely anything the Marine Corps would issue me must be the best... right?
Sorry, but since trying many other civilian packs since then, I can't imagine going back to an alice. They are much heavier and nowhere near as comfortable over long hikes... and as someone mentioned above, they look military and will attract more attention than a civilian pack.

Will they work? Sure.. and for a good price now that the military has abandoned them for something better. But IF you have the money to spend on something else.. then you should go to an outfitter and try on a few different lightweight, internal frame packs.
 

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I used to be an ALICE fan. Surely anything the Marine Corps would issue me must be the best... right?
Sorry, but since trying many other civilian packs since then, I can't imagine going back to an alice. They are much heavier and nowhere near as comfortable over long hikes... and as someone mentioned above, they look military and will attract more attention than a civilian pack.

Will they work? Sure.. and for a good price now that the military has abandoned them for something better. But IF you have the money to spend on something else.. then you should go to an outfitter and try on a few different lightweight, internal frame packs.

actually the civilian packs of around the same cubic size is only about 2 lbs lighter than the alice pack/hellcat... not that big of a differance

im sure almost anything will have better straps than the standard alice straps but the hellcat is ALOT better and remember your going to be able to carry alot more with a hellcat than you can with the standard alice pack. but your going to be really limited on what you can get in civilian backpacks for under $150

truely to compete with the hellcat we need to see backpacks of around the same size and see how confrotable they are with 60-70 lb

here is one a large 5550 cu in, weight 6.4 (so weight is about 2lb lighter)
http://www.departmentofgoods.com/sal...009&mv_pc=r126

here is a bunch more but they cost alot more than $150

http://www.backcountry.com/store/gro...%2B-cu-in.html

this one is very close in size 5,500 cu in. and weighs 6.11 but cost $378.95 + s/h
http://www.backcountry.com/outdoorge.../OSP0042M.html

how much are you willing to pay to save 2lb ..? its not worth it to me :thumb: id much rather have the hellcat. i can see spending that much on a back pack IF your going to be useing it more than 3 long hikes/campouts a year.

and the military is still useing the alice packs.

http://society.ezinemark.com/alice-military-backpack-system-4f456dc4339.html
 

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Sorry.. but you and the article you quoted are misinformed.
Current marine corps issue backpack is the ILBE (improved load bearing equipment) pack. Not the Alice. The army is also getting a new pack.. to replace their current pack which is still newer than the Alice.

http://www.ilbepack.com/

i had 1st thought that the alice had long been phased out and was suprised by the article,but ive been out for a looonnnngggg time and have no real idea :thumb:

those packs do look good but i bet expensive specially if you add pockets to it. :eek:
 

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You should be able to get a medium ALICE with frame in good condition from a gunshow or online for around $30 - I wouldn't pay any more than that. I don't think it's worth it to invest $50-$80 in improvements on a $30 pack, but that's just my opinion. I certainly understand why people fall in love with the ALICE and enjoy the challenge of improving them.

I chose an ALICE when I built my first BOB and I think it's great for a start due to the affordability and durability. I also use the same pack when I go on overnight hiking/camping trips, but that's a bad habit; I need to get a separate pack for camping so I don't have to keep breaking down my BOB.

My ALICE is unimproved except for two LC-2 buttpacks added to the sides for extra space. The shoulder straps and lumbar pad are spartan, and it's pretty rough on you during a long walk because the weight rides on your shoulders, not your hips. As much as I like the ALICE, there's always a point in a hike where I find myself longing for a lighter, more ergonomic (and more expensive) hiking pack like a Kelty, Kifaru, etc...
 

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Sorry.. but you and the article you quoted are misinformed.
Current marine corps issue backpack is the ILBE (improved load bearing equipment) pack. Not the Alice. The army is also getting a new pack.. to replace their current pack which is still newer than the Alice.

http://www.ilbepack.com/
The medium ALICE is still being issued in the USMC at basic training. The ILBE is issued for deployment. The marine has the option to use either the ALICE or ILBE when deployed. Many still choose the ALICE; particularly on their second deployment they go back to the ALICE.

A modified med ALICE is also current issue w/ the AB Rangers and USMC as a RADIO CARRYING CASE. Both have a antennae slit in the in the rain flap, and a larger radio pouch. The USMC version also has a full length padded back and the radio pouch is made of a heavier cordura. It is issued w/ LC2 straps, where the AB version is issued w/ a pair of LC1. I own the USMC version and hands down is the nicest ALICE I have ever used. Makes a inexpensive 3-day assault pack/BOB. I keep a Hellcat packed and ready to go at home and use the "as issued" USMC radio case w/ Bobcat mods for my truck bag. The link supplied in the above post for the Hellcat also has the Bobcat mods a few pages over. Heres a link to my website with all of them together. http://americanlegacybuilders.blogspot.com/search/label/Outdoors

I do not think there is a better or more versatile system out there than the Hellcat for the money $40-$70. You just have to try it:thumb: See the pics below of the Hellcat.

Here are the results of a NSN search for the MED ALICE, AB RANGER and USMC RADIO CASE. DOD cost is also included.

MEDIUM ALICE FIELD PACK

WebFLIS National Stock Number (NSN) Output Data


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NSN: 8465012535335
Item Name: FIELD PACK
Query Type: PUBLIC
Date of query: 6/3/2010 12:31:50 AM
Note: This is a representative picture only, of this item.

Identification
FIIG INC CRIT CD II RPD MRC DMIL DMIL INT CD NIIN ASGMT PMIC ADP ESD EMI HMIC HCC
T193-A 32440 X 1 A 1 1987109 A P
SCHEDULE B:
ENAC:
Reference/Part Number
REF/PN CAGE-CD STAT RNCC RNVC DAC RNAAC RNFC RNSC RNJC SADC HCC MSDS
MIL-F-43833 81349 M 4 1 4 CY
Management
EFF-DT MOE AAC SOS UI UI_PRICE QUP CIIC SLC REP USC
2009274 DA V SMS EA $39.73 C U 0 F A
2009274 DF Y JCD EA $39.73 C U 0 N F
2009274 DM V SMS EA $39.73 C U 0 F M
2009274 DN V SMS EA $39.73 C U 0 N
2009274 DS V SMS EA $39.73 C U 0 F I
AIR BORNE RANGER RADIO CASE

WebFLIS National Stock Number (NSN) Output Data


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NSN: 5895014614505
Item Name: CASE,ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT
Query Type: PUBLIC
Date of query: 6/3/2010 12:24:56 AM


Identification A
FIIG INC CRIT CD II RPD MRC DMIL DMIL INT CD NIIN ASGMT PMIC ADP ESD EMI HMIC HCC
T358-A 41257 X 4 6 A 1 1998348 A 0 A N
SCHEDULE B: 8710000090
ENAC:
Reference/Part Number
REF/PN CAGE-CD STAT RNCC RNVC DAC RNAAC RNFC RNSC RNJC SADC HCC MSDS
A3142076-2 80063 A 3 2 5 ZZ
A3142076-2 1H2P2 A 5 2 5 ZZ
Management
EFF-DT MOE AAC SOS UI UI_PRICE QUP CIIC SLC REP USC
2009274 DA D SMS EA $114.92 1 U 0 Z A
2009274 DN D SMS EA $114.92 1 U 0 N
2009274 DS D SMS EA $114.92 1 U 0 N I
USMC RADIO CASE

WebFLIS National Stock Number (NSN) Output Data


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NSN: 5895014061641
Item Name: CASE,ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT
Query Type: PUBLIC
Date of query: 6/3/2010 12:22:01 AM


Identification B
FIIG INC CRIT CD II RPD MRC DMIL DMIL INT CD NIIN ASGMT PMIC ADP ESD EMI HMIC HCC
T358-A 41257 X M 6 A 1 1994356 A 0 N
SCHEDULE B: 9030908040
ENAC:
Reference/Part Number
REF/PN CAGE-CD STAT RNCC RNVC DAC RNAAC RNFC RNSC RNJC SADC HCC MSDS
94005A0000 1H2P2 A 5 2 2 ZZ
94005A0000 01365 A 3 2 2 ZZ
Management
EFF-DT MOE AAC SOS UI UI_PRICE QUP CIIC SLC REP USC
2009274 DM D SMS EA $120.48 0 U 0 H M
2009274 DN V SMS EA $120.48 0 U 0 N
2009274 DS D SMS EA $120.48 0 U 0 F I
First three pics below are of the Hellcat. Next three are the USMC RADIO CASE, Last three are the ABR RADIO CASE
 

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After trying multiple mil-spec packs, I finally found what works for me.

I settled on a MOLLE-2 frame, belt and straps, but with a medium ALICE replacing the top MOLLE bag. The three pouches are nice for organizing. I think the top "bag" on the MOLLE is just too big, and it's tough to organize.

I kept the MSS pouch on the bottom. The ALICE can be strapped nearly flat when only the outside pouches are filled. This is great for bushcraft day-hikes. The main pack and MSS carrier can then be filled for longer treks.
 
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