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MORELIA, Mexico May 25, 2011 — Gunmen apparently from two rival drug gangs fought a ferocious gunbattle on a highway in a western Mexico state that killed 28 men Wednesday, authorities said.

The attorney general's office in the Pacific coast state of Nayarit said the gunfight started about 5 p.m. near the town of Ruiz, 500 miles (805 kilometers) northwest of Mexico City.

Police initially responded to a citizen complaint of a kidnapping by a group of armed men in a nearby city who reportedly fled on the federal highway, the prosecutors office said. As the officers headed toward the scene, they heard a second report of a shootout involving the same men, it said.

Police found 28 men lying dead and four others wounded when they arrived. Ten vehicles were abandoned and bullet casings from high-powered weapons were scattered about.

Violence in Michoacan has increased in the last few days. On Tuesday, suspected cartel gunmen opened fire on a Mexican federal police helicopter, hitting two officers and forcing the craft to land, though officials insisted it had not been shot down.

Federal police said the pilot of the partially armored helicopter decided to land after Tuesday's shooting "to avoid any accident." The Russian-made Mi-17 touched down about 3.5 miles (6 kilometers) from the shooting scene near Apatzingan, a city that which is close to Buenavista.

The two officers suffered non-life-threatening wounds, police said.

rest of the article: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7581828.html




The cartels have proven more than willing to take on low-flying aircraft with MANPADS as well:

PHOENIX – Two Mexican nationals who negotiated with undercover DEA agents to trade pounds of meth and cash for high-grade military weaponry, including a Stinger anti-aircraft missile, have pleaded guilty to related charges, and a third has been found guilty by jury.

Over the next three months, Diaz-Sosa and his partners continued negotiations with undercover federal agents for the purchase of the following weapons:

A Dragon Fire anti-tank weapon; two AT-4s (an 84-mm unguided, portable, single-shot recoilless smoothbore weapon); an M47 Law Rocket (a Light Anti-Tank Weapon); a Stinger Missile (a portable infrared homing anti-aircraft surface-to-air missile); two Def Tech grenade launchers and a dozen 40 mm grenades; one M-60 machine gun; one .30 caliber machine gun; and three cases of hand grenades.

On February 17, 2010, Diaz-Sosa and DeJesus-Castenada went to an undercover warehouse maintained by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to finalize the exchange of weapons for drugs and money. Both were arrested by federal agents – at the time of his arrest, DeJesus-Castenada had 11 pounds of methamphetamine on him.

http://borderissues.us/2011/05/10/cartel-members-caught-trading-meth-for-military-grade-weapons/




The cartels are also capable of using their own light air assets, including ultralights:

Flying at night with lights out, and zipping back across the border in minutes, ultralight aircraft sightings are rare, but often dramatic. At least two have been chased out of Arizona skies by Black Hawk Customs and Border Protection helicopters and F-16 jet fighters. Last month, a pair of visiting British helicopter pilots almost crashed into an ultralight during training exercises over the Imperial Valley.

The ultralights — lightweight planes typically used as recreational aircraft — are customized for smuggling purposes. All-terrain wheels are added for bumpy landings. Second seats are ripped out to add fuel capacity. Drugs are loaded onto metal baskets affixed to the bottom of the framing. From 150 to 250 pounds of marijuana are generally carried, depending on the weight of the pilot. Some ultralights are shrouded in black paint, with even the plastic tarp covers for the marijuana blackened for stealth entries.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/05/ultralight-aircraft-now-ferrying-drugs.html
 

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Yeah. Only one language these guys understand- an ass kicking. I'd help deliver one if I could get away from this damn pit I'm stuck in.
 
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Only one language these guys understand- an ass kicking.
to quote a Billy Crystal movie, "hable Smith and Wesson?!" The only way to stop these cartels is with lethal force; not trials, prison time, and deportation! Recently, one of the presidential candidates (I think it was Herman Cain) was asked where the border protection will stop, do they have to build a moat with alligators to please the republicans? My answer: no. they should go FURTHER than building a moat with gators! We should do whatever it takes to keep criminals and drugs out!
 

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At some point we are going to have to deal with this s**t. Legalizing dope won't do it. It's all about the money, on both sides.

Build a wall, I mean a WALL!! and a low level radar system to spot scud running aircraft.




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start building it yes, but at the present time bring in a para military unit ir units and tell them to clean up the problem... the only issue is tha the left leaning excuse makers are the ones that would have crap fits that some scum bag crook gets his ass blown away from a mile away... or that a strike team goes in and puts their collective heads on poles and sends a message to the cartels...that it stops.

but at the present time, there are plenty of those willing to start shooting back, but the turd in the oval is scared crapless to raise a hand... and he will not do it... so then it falls upon states to say get it done, and then weather the fire storm over the netire issue...

the team would have to enter into mexico and end the problem right where it begins... that is with the cartels, first.... the mexican military can be dealt with. That is an issue as well... but even though they were (some) trained in special ops... they are not that good and never will be.
 

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Los Zetas have set up camps to train recruits as well as corrupt ex-federal, state, and local police officers. In September 2005 testimony to the Mexican Congress, then-Defense Secretary Clemente Vega indicated that the Zetas had also hired at least 30 former Kaibiles from Guatemala to train new recruits because the number of former Mexican special forces men in their ranks had shrunk. Los Zetas' training locations have been identified as containing the same items and setup as GAFE training facilities.

Since February 2010, the major cartels have aligned in two factions, one integrated by the Juárez Cartel, Tijuana Cartel, Los Zetas and the Beltrán-Leyva Cartel‎‎; the other faction integrated by the Gulf Cartel, Sinaloa Cartel and La Familia Cartel

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL34215.pdf

Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales

(Special Forces Airmobile Group, GAFE) is a special forces unit of the Mexican Army's Special Forces Corps, trained by the world's special forces. There are a total of nine battalions, one High Command GAFE unit and one other group is assigned to the Paratroopers Rifle Brigade. Within the structure of the unit there are regular, intermediates and veterans.

The regulars usually operate more as an elite light infantry. The intermediates are mainly instructors with medium ranks such as lieutenants and captains; they are also known as the COIFEs, and are considered by many the Mexican equivalent to the US Army Special Forces. The veterans or Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales del Alto Mando (High Command GAFEs) carry out the most delicate black ops. The GAFE motto is "Todo por México" (Everything for Mexico).

GAFE has been used in both sides of the drug war. In the late 1990s, about 40 GAFE members, led by lieutenant Arturo Guzmán Decena, were recruited by the Gulf Cartel to work as the cartel's hired killers. They formed a group of ruthless and violent enforcers for the cartel, which became known as Los Zetas. When the leader of the Gulf Cartel was arrested, Los Zetas split away from the Gulf Cartel, and have since become one of the most notorious cartels in Mexico, continuing to recruit GAFE members, (who often bring their own resources) and using their knowledge of special tactics to terrorize rival cartels and innocent locals alike.

Transportation

* UH-60 Black Hawk, Mil Mi-17, CH-53 Yas'ur 2000, MD 530F, Bell 212 and Bell 412 helicopters.
* Fast Attack Vehicle/Light Strike Vehicle, HMMWV, customized Dodge Ram pickup trucks, all-terrain vehicles, off-road motorcycles and inflatable/fast boats.


Weaponry
* FX-05 Xiuhcoatl
* Heckler & Koch G3
* Heckler & Koch P7M13
* Beretta 92F
* M1911 pistol
* CornerShot
* Heckler & Koch MP5
* FN P90
* FN MAG
* Heckler & Koch HK21E
* M249 light machine gun
* Barret M82 (.50 BMG)
* Heckler & Koch PSG1
* M24 Sniper Weapon System
* Remington 700
* Sniper Rifle Morelos
* Remington 1100
* Mossberg 500
* B-300
* RL-83 Blindicide
* RPG-7
* Milkor MGL Mk 1
* M203 grenade launcher
* RPG-29

http://www.shadowspear.com/mexico-special-operations/1048-grupo-aeromovil-de-fuerzas-especiales.html

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,COI,,,mex,,47d6546523,0.html
 

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Interesting choice of weapons they are using.... most is very easily defeated but a couple of things are a little tougher... not much but a little..

Mi17 are a little out dated but they can be brought down with some heavier weapons...
 

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Here's an update. Its perhaps a longshot, but worth noting...

The United States is worried about the possibility of Mexican drug cartels acquiring advanced Russian anti-aircraft missiles through Venezuela, according to a leaked cable.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised concerns to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow that announced sales of advanced anti-aircraft arms to Venezuela -- including the Igla-S (SA-24) MANPADS, Russia’s most advanced and considered one of the most lethal portable air defense systems ever made -- could make their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, according to the released cable.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...n-cartels-acquire-russian-arms/#ixzz1NfB3u39s
 

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Here's an update. Its perhaps a longshot, but worth noting...

The United States is worried about the possibility of Mexican drug cartels acquiring advanced Russian anti-aircraft missiles through Venezuela, according to a leaked cable.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised concerns to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow that announced sales of advanced anti-aircraft arms to Venezuela -- including the Igla-S (SA-24) MANPADS, Russia’s most advanced and considered one of the most lethal portable air defense systems ever made -- could make their way into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, according to the released cable.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/ne...n-cartels-acquire-russian-arms/#ixzz1NfB3u39s
Geeze. You're such a worry wart. It's not like Mexico is close to any of our international airports. Okay, maybe El Paso and San Diego are close but that's just two........
 

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Comercial aviation is not my chief concern here, but how many nearby international airports and possibly affected people would meet with your approval? As we've seen they have no regards to collateral damage, and have eagerly killed innocent bystanders to get at one of their rivals. When there's a slave trade in your own city, where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?

Geeze. You're such a worry wart. It's not like Mexico is close to any of our international airports. Okay, maybe El Paso and San Diego are close but that's just two........
 

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Mx government is probabaly one of the most corupt. The Sinoloa cartels leaders is the 42 or 43 richest people in the world. Saying that I would not trust a word coming from their president or military. These folks laugh at us because we just roll over and take it, we are a joke to them. We need to lay down the law big time.






 

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Mx government is probabaly one of the most corupt. The Sinoloa cartels leaders is the 42 or 43 richest people in the world. Saying that I would not trust a word coming from their president or military. These folks laugh at us because we just roll over and take it, we are a joke to them. We need to lay down the law big ti

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K that made me throw up.

Here is a decent documentary on daily life in the warzone presented by Laura Ling, who a few years ago was one of a pair Of US journalists to spend a few months in a North Korean prison camp....
In 2006, 6000 people were killed from drug violence; more people than died in Afghanistan that year. After the army was brought in, the figures nearly doubled.

 
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Here is another possible Venezuelan tie- Hezbollah operating recruitment and training outside Tijuana.


Now this is exactly the sort of corruption suspected of most, if not all border towns where there is a large cartel presence. Just as in Mexico itself, town and city governments and law enforcement elements are being purchased.

 
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Comercial aviation is not my chief concern here, but how many nearby international airports and possibly affected people would meet with your approval? As we've seen they have no regards to collateral damage, and have eagerly killed innocent bystanders to get at one of their rivals. When there's a slave trade in your own city, where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?
I was just kidding Dwind, sorry if that didn't come through what I wrote.

An anti air missile in the hands of maniacs is bad news no matter how they choose to use it.
 

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No sweat man. I've laid a few eggs in my time too :)

This is a 45 minute documentary on Mexico's Policia Federale. The equivalent of the FBI though they seem trained more for SRT/SWAT:

Here is the Policia Federale and Nueva Leon police aiming weapons at each other as the federales try to arrest the local cops on corruption charges.

Not sure where this is shot, but the sound of a commercial cellphone with PTT walkie talkie function and lack of any police vehicles lets you know its cartel forces shooting the video. Probably against another cartel or rivals from the same... Notice they are keeping in close contact with supporting units, and seem to be using maneuver by fire tactics.

Details and conclusion on the Falcon Lake killing - area disputed between los zetas and the gulf cartel.

Mexico geopolitical brief... cartel methodology parts 1/3


 
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