Maybe moving New Zealand

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Flutterfly

Discussion Starter · Mar 28, 2010

Have been thinking of moving to New Zealand. I want to know where to move to, should I decide to move there.

I want acreage and about 30-45mins drive from a larger town (not necessarily a city) with some secondhand-thrift- shops and places to buy items conducive to prepping. Of course, the bottom of the South Island seems to have loads of cheap real estate, but it also has loads of cold. :xeye: Though, I suppose it is easier to warm up, than to cool down. (Someone mentioned that when I lived in southern Tasmania). North Island or South, I'm not fussed. Perhaps not so close to where the quakes hit.

My son is homeschooled and I'm more of a simpler living/homesteading kinda gal. I like homemade natural things, organic home grown produce and keeping chickens. Where might one find a population of others who are like minded? Not hippies so much, but people who would be more inclined to live a more self sufficient kinda lifestyle. eg: I live in the Yarra Valley and we have some people here who are like that. Even a small handful of survivalists out here too.

I would like to be near forest, as I prefer green to concrete. Though, I guess that's not too hard in NZ lol. And why do a lot of real estate sites mention leasehold or freehold land ownership?

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twinkletoes

· #2 · Mar 29, 2010

Hi Flutterfly,

Anywhere in NZ would be fine - they're doing lifestyle blocks all over the show now, - although you're paying if you want to be 1/2 hr away from anything major, 1/2 hr from a lesser city and you will get cheap enough land, if it's bare land with no services (power, phone, water, etc.)

I'm in the wairarapa and although we have drought in summer we have rainfall in winter. We don't know how water is going to go so I feel it's best not to rely on streams or ground water; to survive you'll have to be able to catch rain/storm water (and storm water is of course grey, has to be stored safely.)

Go look on www.lifestyleblock.co.nz. Join up there and ask around.

Cheers, B.

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twinkletoes

· #3 · Mar 29, 2010

Oh - leasehold vs freehold.

Freehold means your land is yours, with no negotiation over accessways, etc. Nobody has to agree to anything you do except if you have covenants which are rules in the deed of title which tell you what you may or may not do as an owner of that land. You get lots of covenants when you buy in new subdivisions.

Leasehold is where the land your dwelling is on (or not on if the land is bare) is not owned by you. It is a 99 yr, or 20 yr, or whatever lease. And it could be nearing the end...

: in which case the land would revert to the owner, often, say, a trust over here - they own the land but they don't want to use it, they're selling the rights to that land for a set period, not selling the land outright.

There.
that's all I remember from the dark ages when I did a little conveyancing as a legal secretary.

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Flutterfly

Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 29, 2010

thanks for the feedback. Twinkletoes is my online name on another site, it gave me a laugh when I saw yours

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I am used to living on caught rain water and know how to be exceptionally conservative with it. When in Tasmania, there were many people who lived like the Beverley hillbillies (pre mansion) lol, in the town where I lived. Still in shanties with no modern conveniences, at all. Though, some of us had a house, electricity and a phone line.

: No one had a tv signal, town connected water or sewerage. I loved it. I was 1 1/2 hours drive from Hobart.

I am not wanting to live near a city. Just thought, you might have smaller towns, as we do here, with a handful of shops. Food shops/stupermarket/general store and animal feed store.

I could live even further out of town, if I had to. Not an issue as I only do my food/supplies shopping once a month. I usually avoid shops as much as I can and yes I am a woman :rofl: I can't stand queues and don't want to fill my house with useless shiny plastic baubles. I would rather be outside in the garden tilling the soil than getting my hair and nails done

Australian's know all about drought. I have lived through two devastating droughts, where farmers ended up shooting stock because they couldn't sell them and there was nothing to feed them on. My garden survived 40+ degrees C for weeks and no one home to water it because we all had to evacuate due to the massive wildfires that killed 200+ people. The fire came close, but not close enough, so there was radiant heat too. My garden was still alive when I returned home and even gave a reasonable crop.

I want to live on as many acres as I can get, near forest.

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Te Hopo

· #5 · Mar 31, 2010

Nelson sounds like a good area for you Flutterfly, one of the top places in NZ for sunshine hours but they also have a reliable rainfall.
Nelson is a small city under 100,000 people but has a great selection if stores and craft markets.
It is surrounded by National Parks and some beautiful coastline and mountain ranges and has a huge amount of tourist trade.

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theMISSIONARY

· #6 · Apr 1, 2010

hmm a thread thief(if Flutterfly does not mind) i also want to move there....i'm planning on a stealth mission to have a look see first

and funnily enough Nelson was the area of most interest:thumb:

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Ratbag

· #7 · Apr 5, 2010

Why do you want to move to NZ ?

Is it a lifestyle thing or you don't like the way the fatherland is heading under obersturmfurher/comerade Rudd of the NWO?

For the record NZ is going the same way, ... maybe a little more slowly and most Kiwis, like Aussies are too dumbed down to know it.

John Keyes, current PM is/was an international banker.

Our previous PM, Chairman Helen was a UN stooge who tried to help push thru' UN carbon tax doctrine in NZ before fleeing to a job at UN headquarters weeks after losing her job. (Wow how long was that pre-arranged for?)

Guy prior to that, Donny boy was the ex-head of the Reserve Bank of NZ ... kinda the NZ equivalent to the U.S. Federal Reserve.

The local body governments have been asimilated by power hungry, vicious beauracrats who will love dictating all sorts of ridiculous building standards if you are looking at building a house, ... if you buy an existing one they'll still be happy to tell you what colors you may paint it.

Thats a nice rundown of what to expect.

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theMISSIONARY

· #8 · Apr 5, 2010

More or less the same as here except we have Very...umm(insert choice words) rubbish firearms laws and Any type of off road activity's are largely frowned upon if not Banned out right

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Watcher

· #9 · Apr 5, 2010

If you are looking for somewhere out of the way, with lots of open space and relatively near a town with cheap supplies then you might want to check out the East Cape area around Gisbourne.

I briefly stayed with some people who have their own plot, they keeps bees for Manuka honey as well as breeding horses and chickens for their eggs. They are off the grid and have to live frugally but seem to live well. Educated people and not hippies or really survivalists, just decent people with different priorities to the normal consumerist.

Be aware that there can be strong rains with a lot of water coming off the hills, although the climate is generally mild, tending to sub tropical.

What sort of work would you be planning on doing to pay the bills?

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martyk

· #10 · Apr 5, 2010

G'Day Ratbag .. Sounds to me that you're peeed-off with "Representative Democracy" and might support a change to 'DIRECT DEMOCRACY', Swiss Style,- where the voters elect administrators ( not Representatives) and get the opportunity to decide the ISSUES & POLICIES by legally binding referenda.??

- Ever wondered why the Swiss haven't joined the EC ?? - It's because their rules dont allow Swiss REPRESENTATIVES to go to the European parliament and vote/ decide for them .. they hold the legal right to decide for themselves by a direct vote / referendum.

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Ratbag

· #11 · Apr 6, 2010

martyk said:
G'Day Ratbag .. Sounds to me that you're peeed-off with "Representative Democracy" and might support a change to 'DIRECT DEMOCRACY', Swiss Style,- where the voters elect administrators ( not Representatives) and get the opportunity to decide the ISSUES & POLICIES by legally binding referenda.??

- Ever wondered why the Swiss haven't joined the EC ?? - It's because their rules dont allow Swiss REPRESENTATIVES to go to the European parliament and vote/ decide for them .. they hold the legal right to decide for themselves by a direct vote / referendum.

Sounds like a decent system.

As you'll know, the way it is in New Zealand currently, IF they DO hold a referendum where they populace gets to have a say on an issue, then the politicians/PM turn around and tell the population it doesn't matter what the majority are for the politicians are going to do what they see fit (read that as "what they have been paid off too do.")

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PurpleKJ

· #12 · Apr 6, 2010

You could always flee north to warm and then you wouldn't have to worry about the cold

of which I have a great fear of

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Te Hopo

· #13 · Apr 6, 2010

theMISSIONARY said:
hmm a thread thief(if Flutterfly does not mind) i also want to move there....i'm planning on a stealth mission to have a look see first

and funnily enough Nelson was the area of most interest:thumb:

Good choice mate, when you make it over let me know and I would be keen to meet and show you around Marlborough if you want or to even just have for a drink and tell you in detail some of the areas of the Tasman/Nelson district that might appeal to you.

Marlborough has a lot of the same plus's as Nelson, but the main center of Blenheim is not as large.
We are on the main north/south highway and have a great tourist trade while also having a lot of seasonal/full time work in the Viticulture Industry.
Mean while the Marlborough Sounds are right on our doorstep and comprise nearly 20% of NZs coastline while having mountain ranges less than an hour from the coast offering great hunting opportunities.

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Avarice

· #14 · Apr 26, 2010

I would love to move to New Zealand. I like Australia but it just isn't the place I want to live in. I like cold weather, I like green grass, Australia's a tough, hot place to live in...

The Fiordlands are especially nice, very isolated, perhaps go for a look around and see what you think.

If I recall correctly you don't need a visa to get in if from Australia. I may be wrong though.

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