[bonegunner]

A N.J. security officer with a license to carry, has been charged with illegally transporting a firearm, and possession of hollow point ammo.

The Hornady Critical Duty ammo was provided by his employer.

It is not HP ammo, and has a polymer tip.

NJ State Police do not consider it HP ammo, according to their website.

This is a stupid arrest and charges will probably be dropped.

Just another incindence in which stupid gun laws, are used against law abiding citizens.

https://libertyconservativenews.com/nj-security-guard-wrongfully-arrested-for-carrying-handgun-with-permit/

 

[mike in pa]

What else do you expect from the Socialist republic of New jersey. A state where you need a firearms owners Id card to buy BB guns.

 

[NW GUY]

I ALWAYS find it interesting that the most corrupt states are the ones most concerned about citizens having guns...

think there is a correlation there??????

 

[stroo]

A N.J. security officer with a license to carry, has been charged with illegally transporting a firearm, and possession of hollow point ammo.

The Hornady Critical Duty ammo was provided by his employer.

It is not HP ammo, and has a polymer tip.

NJ State Police do not consider it HP ammo, according to their website.

This is a stupid arrest and charges will probably be dropped.

Just another incindence in which stupid gun laws, are used against law abiding citizens.

https://libertyconservativenews.com/nj-security-guard-wrongfully-arrested-for-carrying-handgun-with-permit/

By "misguided" law "enforcers". I'll just leave it at that so I don't get in trouble...

 

[Fire_fighter]

Will there be any repercussions for the officer?

The way I see it, this innocent individual had to deal with being placed in handcuffs and treated like a criminal, then had to undergo all the financial strain of bail, and an attorney.......all because one officer did not know the law.

That doesn't seem very appropriate to me.

 

[Optimist]

'Everybody gets a trophy'....

 

[Harmless Drudge]

Will there be any repercussions for the officer?

The way I see it, this innocent individual had to deal with being placed in handcuffs and treated like a criminal, then had to undergo all the financial strain of bail, and an attorney.......all because one officer did not know the law.

That doesn't seem very appropriate to me.

The officer didnt arrest the man because he didn't know the law; he arrested him to get into the good graces of the powers that be. It was a stepping stone to political office.

 

[ManyFeathers]

What's bad is when LEO don't even know their own laws!

I'm not trying to say anything bad about them but if they do know the law, then there's something else at play and instead of incompetence, they are acting more like the Stasi

I hope the charges are dropped and LEO admonished in a court of law

They certainly and clearly inconvenienced a legal, law abiding citizen

 

[A_SonofLiberty]

The security officer needs to sue the cop and the department. Then, move out of that socialist paradise as quickly as possible.

 

[Ghost863]

The security officer needs to sue the cop and the department. Then, move out of that socialist paradise as quickly as possible.

I disagree, he needs to sue and make this case an example by taking it to the supreme court if necessary and have these draconian laws repealed. There needs to be a trend started where this happens anywhere this happens by having said laws declared unconstitutional, That way any law enforcement that enforces these laws open themselves to massive law suits That does not look favorable to them. These laws need to go away once and for all if we are ever to save our once great nation.

 

[Mr. Sockpuppet]

The officer didnt arrest the man because he didn't know the law;

Have you actually sat down and tried to navigate the myriad of New Jersey laws? Its like the ramblings of an unmedicated Schizophrenia patient. It doesn't surprise me that it would confuse anyone.

In any event, its not ignorance of the law in this instance, but likely misidentifying the ammunition as illegal.

he arrested him to get into the good graces of the powers that be. It was a stepping stone to political office.

Possession of HP ammunition is a felony, punishable by 18 months imprisonment. One is not issued a citation, but rather arrested for a felony violation.

 

[phil74501]

Will there be any repercussions for the officer?

The way I see it, this innocent individual had to deal with being placed in handcuffs and treated like a criminal, then had to undergo all the financial strain of bail, and an attorney.......all because one officer did not know the law.

That doesn't seem very appropriate to me.

Surely you jest.

 

[Mr. Sockpuppet]

By "misguided" law "enforcers". I'll just leave it at that so I don't get in trouble...

The article states that the "Hornady Critical Duty” was the ammunition in question. It would appear that the LEO in question, and probably LE throughout the state, appears to require inservice education upon the subject.

https://www.njsp.org/firearms/firearms-faqs.shtml

13. I’m not a police officer, are hollow points legal for me to possess?

Yes. They are legal for purchase and possess in your home or on land owned by you. They are legal to possess and use at a gun range. They are also legal to possess while traveling to and from such places. Ammunition lacking a hollow cavity at the tip, such as those with a polymer filling, are not considered to be hollow point ammunition. An example of this can be seen with the Hornady Critical Defense / Critical Duty, Cor-Bon PowRball / Glaser Safety Slug and Nosler Inc. Defense ammunition.

This is the ammunition in question. It may appear to be hollow point to the untrained eye, just as a minie ball appeared to be "ammunition" to the Washington DC judge some years back. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/d...guilty-of-attempting-to-possess-illegal-ammo/

 

[Mr. Sockpuppet]

Will there be any repercussions for the officer?

Likely no.

The way I see it, this innocent individual had to deal with being placed in handcuffs and treated like a criminal, then had to undergo all the financial strain of bail, and an attorney.......all because one officer did not know the law.

The individual also has not been able to work, making life even more difficult. And its not so much that the LEO didn't know the law, but doesn't know the difference between a HP and the ammunition that may seem to be HP, but not.

That doesn't seem very appropriate to me.

It is not. It should have been dropped by the prosecutor immediately.

 

[Steve_In_29]

What's bad is when LEO don't even know their own laws!

I'm not trying to say anything bad about them but if they do know the law, then there's something else at play and instead of incompetence, they are acting more like the Stasi

I hope the charges are dropped and LEO admonished in a court of law

They certainly and clearly inconvenienced a legal, law abiding citizen

Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense....unless you are a cop. There is case law that cops can't be held accountable for their actions due to ignorance of the law.

 

[stroo]

Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense....unless you are a cop. There is case law that cops can't be held accountable for their actions due to ignorance of the law.

Of course there is, we have a multi-tiered justice system.
This over reach makes me wonder how far away we are from the state banning knife sharpeners and getting arrested for having a coffee cup.

 

[charliemeyer007]

All gun laws are un-Constitutional - Period.

 

[Mr. Sockpuppet]

Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense....unless you are a cop.

Or a judge, or a prosecutor, or whatever.

There is case law that cops can't be held accountable for their actions

Its termed 'Sovereign immunity'.

due to ignorance of the law.

Due to ignorance of what they deemed to be a HP round.

 

[Mr. Sockpuppet]

All gun laws are un-Constitutional - Period.

How about a prohibition of those deemed by a physician to be mentally ill, and potentially dangerous by a preponderance of the evidence as lawfully adjudicated?

 

[charliemeyer007]

Punish criminals for crimes. People have been killed with a screwdriver used as a weapon - you need to ban everything to prevent crimes. So are you cutting off their hands so they don't strangle someone?