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If it's purely for accuracy, wouldn't a subsonic load be better?
You should have specified that load as being for 38 special and not 357 magnum. The 158 cast projectile is Lyman mold number 358665 for a 158 grain round. Hope this eliminates anyone's confusion, about your input.::thumb:Another thing to consider is projectile performance. Pistol projectiles tend to open and make big holes. speeding them up in a carbine may cost performance as the expansion may limit your penetration. A cast SWC is not going to be an issue but a 110 gr hollow point may not be a good choice for deer. I loaded heavier projectiles in my carbines until the lead ban in California stopped my using them to hunt, now I use Barnes projectiles. for a good plinking round you might try 3 grains of bullseye with a 158 gr cast projectile. Crimp on the second lube groove as opposed to the crimp groove.
5 grains of Bullseye with the Speer 135-grain Gold Dot bullet in a .38 Special case gives 900 fps in a 2-1/2" revolver and about 1080 fps in a 20-inch carbine. It slightly exceeds +P, but is within safe design limits for sturdy revolvers. Accuracy remains good and the bullet behaves normally without fragmenting as long as you stay subsonic.Thanks Outpost75, thats what I figured. He wanted to try some of the standard jacketed offerings too including 135 GDHP and 158 XTP so will be interesting to see how they go.
That sounds like a good load with the lyman bullet. 1300fps is decent velocity, like using an oversize 22LR, will create some tissue rupture as well. Id consider that a medium game getter to 100 yards if the accuracy is there and someone knows their shots.
Yes, that is the #358156 Ray Thompson design GC.There is a Lyman bullet mold for a SWC bullet that Elmer Kieth developed for a load they called 38-44. It has two crimp groves one for 38sp loads and another that seats the bullet farther out for heavy loads of 2400 powder and shot in large frame revolvers. That was the genesis of the 357. You can still get the mold. I have a gob of heavy loads in 38 brass that I shoot in my Marlin and Ruger SA. They shoot good.
A friend of mine put this to me tonight. Loading 38 special cases to magnum levels in a 357 carbine. Not to full house levels, say 1400-1500fps. Will jacketed bullets handle that freebore jump okay and have normal accuracy or will they be getting beaten up?
Im with area man on this on this one.........why?unless there's a shortage of .357 mag cases, why would you want to?
I mean, with the same hypothetical, I could shoot 44 spl/44 mag in my 444 Marlin. But that jump is twice as long
Just not the same thing as with a revolver.
Then again, some guys shoot .40 S&W in their 10mm, but only Glocks (near as I can tell).
In 45+ years of reloading I have yet to see a set of dies that was marked as either ".38 Special" or ".357 Magnum" - they have all been marked ".38/.357". I have 4 sets of dies on my loading bench (RCBS x 2/Lyman/Redding) and all are marked ".38/357". I suppose that if there were a set of .38SP dies from prior to the into of the Magnum round, but I don't imagine that the market is flooded with those.Exactly, plus most dies are either 38 Spec or 357, not many will do both effectively