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Let's talk about dogs for a minute.

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How many of you think like me and find dogs to be an essential part of your preps?

Admittedly, I'm a dog person. If my wife wouldn't divorce me, I'd have a houseful.

Having said that, I think that dogs should serve more of a purpose than just companionship.

All dogs can be useful, protection, early warning system, hunting, guarding family or livestock......

Fortunately for me, I've passed on that same love of dogs to my son who just got his first dog of his own.

We welcomed his Belgian Malinois to the family this week.

Care to share a pic of who's watching over your flock?

Dog Carnivore Dog breed Liver Fawn
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We free feed the first 18 mos(GSD), that way they are never frantic for a meal( 28% protein)
After we reduce the protein content we feed twice a day but the frantic-feed reflex has never formed…
Works for us…jme
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While this thread is mostly about alarm/protection dogs.....does anybody bother to train a search function into their dogs? Seems a lot of us have Grandkids. My youngest pup now has enough brain power to start training a " find the kids" command. Older kids ( now adults) used to have a grand time trying to lose the dog on 2500 acres. Dog was trained to air scent instead of track so kids were out of the house for hours as you have to let the scent age. Never took her more than 15 mins to find them but quite the useful skill if you had a missing person. Fun time with dog, kids and useful besides.

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Pretty easy to do as a game, and In my opinion should be started as young as possible so dog doesn’t get lost.

Why?
For majority pups get used to only locating us by site and sound, after a certain age forget they can locate us by smell.

Several videos on YouTube where people will call their dogs and hide then dog freaks cause it can’t find them. Run all over the house looking and listening rather than smelling.
Yes it can get hilarious, but the consequences for a dog that can’t find you, or it’s way back in strange area can be deadly for the dog.

Tourists lose dogs every weekend cause their dogs are basically mentally stunted.
They get loose in strange area, chase something and don’t know how to backtrack themselves.

I’ve done it with mine as a game.
Examples: I may give dog smell of wife’s shirt, and ask “where is mom,” wife will get their attention when they look at her they get rewarded.

We later progress to one of us hiding outdoors, and one of us will tell dog to find the other.
Pretty neat when they trailing you, and wind blows scent to them and they leave the trail, and head straight for you.

I took our youngest dog don’t into woods couple years ago for his lesson. Little later for him as he was 2. Usually do it earlier.
Turned him and his parents loose.
When I saw he was trailing something I Toned his parents back, and watched them backtrack on the garmin.

When he was about 1 mile out, and upwind, I toned him.
we sat silently and waited, and waited, and waited.
Took him quite a while before he figured it out. I could see when he panicked for a bit doing all kinds of loops, straight runs etc. Then he stopped, reasoned it out, and began following his backtrack.
He got to a draw where he last saw me and got confused again going wrong way, then stopped, and reasoned it out again, and followed his trail straight back to truck.

He was one relieved pup then.

I don’t recommend taking dog into the woods for that lesson without a good satellite tracking collar though.
I could have got him at anytime if he panicked too bad i would have just drove to him so he could hear truck or had my other dogs bark so he could find way back.
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IMO it is best is to give only the amount suggested for your breed dog. They cannot become bloated unless too much food is provided. There are so many breeds that I cannot know what is best for all. For Gordon Setter down I have found my method works fine.
Your information is incorrect. They can bloat or have gastric torsion with small amounts of food. But bigger meals are more inclined to cause the stomach to flip.

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This behaviour can be corrected with a different style of bowl.
Bowl size/shape has nothing to do with the dog being in a situation where it knows " eat now and there will be no more". It has to do with absolute volume of feed for a large breed.

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I do 3 meals a day for 100# GSD- 1/2 0600, 1/4 at 1200 and 1/4 at 1800 ( of total for the day. I had a yellow lab that got a temporary torsion and luckily it self corrected at the vet so had to pin her stomach so it wouldn’t occur. No fun for the dog so i don’t take any chances with the GSD, their pricey enough without the torsion.
BTDT, Another reason to be able to recognize the symptoms of bloat as it can kill quickly. Also another reason to have a dog trained well so that even in a stress situation ( a tube being inserted to open the "flip" of the stomach) the dog can respond and not try to eat the vet.

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Pretty easy to do as a game, and In my opinion should be started as young as possible so dog doesn’t get lost.

Why?
For majority pups get used to only locating us by site and sound, after a certain age forget they can locate us by smell.

Several videos on YouTube where people will call their dogs and hide then dog freaks cause it can’t find them. Run all over the house looking and listening rather than smelling.
Yes it can get hilarious, but the consequences for a dog that can’t find you, or it’s way back in strange area can be deadly for the dog.
Not quite what I was talking about. I was talking about specifically training for search work. Scent work can be a fun " game" with dogs. They can detect things that humans have not a clue about. I always work mine on a tracking lead also. Too many things that could go wrong with off lead dogs.

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Not quite what I was talking about. I was talking about specifically training for search work. Scent work can be a fun " game" with dogs. They can detect things that humans have not a clue about. I always work mine on a tracking lead also. Too many things that could go wrong with off lead dogs.

liebrecht
That is training for search work, and serves dual purpose of helping them to find way back.

It doesn’t have to be regimented training. A lesson learned in one area by an intelligent dog can be applied to other areas if one allows them chance to figure it out.

Once a dog knows what “find” means and you have had them search for family members as a game it’s not a stretch for them extend it to anything you have then sniff.

I take them miles from anything so nothing to worry about. Mine were trained as treeing and hunting dogs thus the garmin collars. If I had them tracking a wounded deer or something they would be on lead.
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He’s 100#-
I agree with you completely. Life with dogs is better than without. Our two German Shepherds (90 lb male and 70 lb female) are an excellent deterrent against anyone threatening harm or theft. No one messes with them. And having a large dog or two, with loud threatening barks keeps solicitors and burglars away. So, dogs are a definite plus when it come to security. In terms of improving family morale, their unconditional love can't be beat. And they are a ton of fun to play with.
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My 85 year old mother lives alone on a family farm. She's hard of hearing. Her Australian Shepherd acts as her ears and keeps her very active. Mom can't hear the door bell or the phone. However, Molly hears both and reacts accordingly. When UPS or FedEx shows up, she's right at the door barking. If the phone rings, she finds the cell phone and starts barking. If Mom is taking a nap, Molly will wake her after about 45 minutes to check on her. She will pull down the bedspread at 8 ish at night, knowing that Mom needs to go to bed. She wakes her up at 6:30 by gently nudging her arm with her nose or with a lick.

If a Man comes to the front door, Molly will get between my Mom and the screen door and let's him know that she's aware.
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My 85 year old mother lives alone on a family farm. She's hard of hearing. Her Australian Shepherd acts as her ears and keeps her very active. Mom can't hear the door bell or the phone. However, Molly hears both and reacts accordingly. When UPS or FedEx shows up, she's right at the door barking. If the phone rings, she finds the cell phone and starts barking. If Mom is taking a nap, Molly will wake her after about 45 minutes to check on her. She will pull down the bedspread at 8 ish at night, knowing that Mom needs to go to bed. She wakes her up at 6:30 by gently nudging her arm with her nose or with a lick.

If a Man comes to the front door, Molly will get between my Mom and the screen door and let's him know that she's aware.
Im of the opinion that certain dogs are for certain people at particular points in their lives…Some people have physical or emotional trials and just seem to have “ the perfect dog” with them at that point, sometimes out of nowhere or never had a dog or never wanted a dog…Like your Mom and her Molly, they seem made for each other👍🙏🙏🙏
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Im of the opinion that certain dogs are for certain people at particular points in their lives
I couldn't agree more.
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Im a 100% Shepherd guy but if the Fenris Wolf ever wants to come hang out, Ill make room🙄
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How big of a pooper scooper you going to need?
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How big of a pooper scooper you going to need?
Ill just send him over in the projects to do his biz😂
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To discourage bloat , we have always avoided exercising the dogs for a few hours after eating except for on leash walking.
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That dog doesn’t look real. Looks like a Brahma bull except with sharp teeth and a stubby tail.
Looks kinda like mastiff and boxer. Beautiful dog!
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Looks kinda like mastiff and boxer. Beautiful dog!
A master! Or a boxtiff?
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