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After seeing this post, I went and looked into Ketamine therapy. There is a clinic in my state (Louisiana) that does it for $450 per infusion (not covered by insurance). Interesting option to keep in mind.
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THC isn't the most beneficial property CBD and CBG are, both are federally legal because they can be extracted from now-legal industrial hemp.
The nerve system of the human body runs on the endocannabinoid system and is full of Cannabinoid receptors including pain receptors.
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Ginger has compounds sympathetic endocannabinoid system
The Influence of Hemp Extract in Combination with Ginger on the Metabolic Activity of Metastatic Cells and Microorganisms
This study presents an investigation of the anticancer and antimicrobial ability of a combination of ginger and cannabis extracts in different ratios (1:1, 7:3 and 3:7). Extracts were obtained using various methods (Soxhlet extractions, cold macerations, ...
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Resveratrol analogs arachidic-1 and -3 bind to Cannabinoid receptors
Natural prenylated resveratrol analogs arachidin-1 and -3 demonstrate improved glucuronidation profiles and have affinity for cannabinoid receptors - PubMed
Prenylated stilbenoids may be preferable alternatives to tRes due to increased bioavailability via slowed metabolism. Similar structural analogs might be developed as novel CB therapeutics for obesity and/or drug dependency.
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I want to point out that we are used to near-instant relief with strong painkillers like opioids but they don't "fix" the issue
CBD and CBG, Ginger, and Resveratrol are NOT painkillers these can improve (reduce ) pain long-term and even reset the Cannabinoid receptors in the endocannabinoid system.
In my case, I didn't see any relief for 2+ weeks or so maybe a full month to be completely free of pain, I was going to stop taking the supplements after the first week but darn it I paid for these pills, i might as well finish them.
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I only know of ketamine because they use it to drug the hapless monkeys in those horrible baby monkey videos on YouTube.
Chronic pain has to be one of the most undertreated and mismanaged issues in modern medicine. I've seen it completely change personalities and ruin lives. I don't wish it on anyone.
I'm sorry you're going through all this. I hope you finally find relief in the infusions.
Chronic pain has to be one of the most undertreated and mismanaged issues in modern medicine. I've seen it completely change personalities and ruin lives. I don't wish it on anyone.
I'm sorry you're going through all this. I hope you finally find relief in the infusions.
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I would love to be able to try such, but I'm not aware of any legitimately safe product that will provide the necessary relief, and won't mark me on a drug screen and/or interact with my current Rx.
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I am already taking several OTC meds (including resveratrol, ginger and a several others for various reasons, mostly for longevity purposes -- which, interestingly enough have some regenerative properties also), though no MJ derivatives, as stated above.THC isn't the most beneficial property CBD and CBG are, both are federally legal because they can be extracted from now-legal industrial hemp.
The nerve system of the human body runs on the endocannabinoid system and is full of Cannabinoid receptors including pain receptors.
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www.health.harvard.edu
Ginger has compounds sympathetic endocannabinoid system
The Influence of Hemp Extract in Combination with Ginger on the Metabolic Activity of Metastatic Cells and Microorganisms
This study presents an investigation of the anticancer and antimicrobial ability of a combination of ginger and cannabis extracts in different ratios (1:1, 7:3 and 3:7). Extracts were obtained using various methods (Soxhlet extractions, cold macerations, ...
Resveratrol analogs arachidic-1 and -3 bind to Cannabinoid receptors
Natural prenylated resveratrol analogs arachidin-1 and -3 demonstrate improved glucuronidation profiles and have affinity for cannabinoid receptors - PubMed
Prenylated stilbenoids may be preferable alternatives to tRes due to increased bioavailability via slowed metabolism. Similar structural analogs might be developed as novel CB therapeutics for obesity and/or drug dependency.
I want to point out that we are used to near-instant relief with strong painkillers like opioids but they don't "fix" the issue
CBD and CBG, Ginger, and Resveratrol are NOT painkillers these can improve (reduce ) pain long-term and even reset the Cannabinoid receptors in the endocannabinoid system.
In my case, I didn't see any relief for 2+ weeks or so maybe a full month to be completely free of pain, I was going to stop taking the supplements after the first week but darn it I paid for these pills, i might as well finish them.
Everything I've tried gets at least a 6 month "trial period" to see how I respond to it (unless the response is to cause some side effect that is dangerous). This is not something that is ever gonna go away. Or heal itself. Like I said above, I'm simply looking for relief for the acute pain that leaves me non-functional. If the medication/treatment leaves me completely painfree but non-functional what's the point, other than a good night's sleep?? 🤷
Like everything else in life, when you have injuries like mine, gathered up over a lifetime of "adventurous" living and a less than normal childhood, to put it gently, to expect to have a body that doesn't have some aches and pains is unrealistic.
This "therapy" has been offered to me a few times in the past but I always refused. Opioids were working well for my break-thru pain and although I've never had any problems with addiction, I'm also not interested in finding "that ONE thing" I'm willing to risk my entire existence for.
But ...
Since my accident a couple years ago I've struggled mightily. I don't get any kind of restorative sleep which causes me to have ever cycling "boom bust" periods -- much like fibro patients go through. In fact, I've been diagnosed with fibro but that seems to me like just a catch-all diagnosis when a doctor can't figure out what's going on -- or can't figure out a treatment that works. 🤷
I certainly don't have all the answers but this seems like the right time to try infusion therapy before I move to more invasive -- or more pharmaceutically intense -- therapies. We shall see, I guess ...
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Placebo's work half the time, the brain is very powerful - if you believe something works strong enough it can.
Have you looked into hypnosis for pain relief?
Have you looked into hypnosis for pain relief?
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Ok
I will add this to my comments -- I am a painfully, unabashedly, disgustingly positive-minded person. It is embarrassing. Lol I will find the ONE single solitary ray of sunshine in any situation -- even if that one little ray is "Well it didn't kill me, so ...". I drive my obstinently negative husband NUTS. Lol If all it took was "a positive mindset" for a procedure to work I'd have been "cured" years ago because ever time I try something I'm absolutely positive it's gonna be the best thing since Skippy peanut butter and I'm never gonna have a headache ... Or backache ... Ever again. 🤷🤦🤦🤦 Like I said it's embarrassing how gullible I can be. 🤦🤗😇
Ok I will I have NOT looked into that. But I will ... Now that you have mentioned it.
I will add this to my comments -- I am a painfully, unabashedly, disgustingly positive-minded person. It is embarrassing. Lol I will find the ONE single solitary ray of sunshine in any situation -- even if that one little ray is "Well it didn't kill me, so ...". I drive my obstinently negative husband NUTS. Lol If all it took was "a positive mindset" for a procedure to work I'd have been "cured" years ago because ever time I try something I'm absolutely positive it's gonna be the best thing since Skippy peanut butter and I'm never gonna have a headache ... Or backache ... Ever again. 🤷🤦🤦🤦 Like I said it's embarrassing how gullible I can be. 🤦🤗😇
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I keep telling the ol' lady that sexual climax is a very powerful anesthetic, simply because of the Endorphins and Oxytocin it releases.
She tells me that I'm full of it.
You might look into that @BadgeBunny. It might not work, but Grumpy would at least be happy.
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Yeah, I think it's just a diagnosis they use when they can't figure out the source of the pain. I have a friend who was diagnosed with fibro after she crashed her truck. She has other medical problems, too. Not getting decent sleep really messes her up.
She went through I think every possible sleep system you can think of from memory foam mattresses to sleeping in a recliner. She ended up with a 2-person hammock and a 7' bean bag couch in her bedroom. She alternates between them depending on how she's feeling. She doesn't know for certain why they work for her, maybe it's the spread out pressure that doesn't target her hotspots, or keeping her feet up, or the swaying motion of the hammock. But they've improved her sleep and consequently her overall quality of life. I don't know if either of those would help you, just some thinking-outside-the-box.
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Oh wow!! I'm so glad that's worked some for her. I'm the same way -- I can get along okay but when the lack of sleep catches up with me I am worthless. And by worthless I mean completely nonfunctional. It is HORRIBLE and I wouldn't wish it off on my worst enemy ...
I'm gonna try the hammock thing this summer -- and I see a new bean bag chair in my life ... 😁 I'll have to fight the dog and the cats for it bit that's okay.
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Well guys, I just got a phone call from the doctor's office -- they "are no longer billing insurance for ketamine infusions" so they cancelled my treatment. Sigh ...
They gave me the phone numbers to a couple of other places. I guess it's back to square 1. I'll post up when I FINALLY get in some where ... What a cluster ...
They gave me the phone numbers to a couple of other places. I guess it's back to square 1. I'll post up when I FINALLY get in some where ... What a cluster ...
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I am sorry! Do you need to go thru the whole referral process for a different place? Seems like the whole medical world is a mess or maybe more accurately, a cluster.
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It most certainly is. They gave me the phone numbers to a couple of other clinics but yeah ... I'm basically starting from scratch. She didn't even know if either of those places was taking new patients. 🙄
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Ok ... I haven't found another place that is taking new patients for infusion therapy BUT my pain management doctor DOES offer ketamine injections -- up to once a week -- to help control pain.
I took an IM injection of ketamine this morning and have been relatively pain free (the headache I woke up with last night keeps trying to break through but is so much better than what I'd be dealing with without that injection, I'll take it as a "win") but nothing I can't handle.
I had quite a buzz going -- and would NOT have passed any kind of sobriety test lol -- but had no problem staying awake while the old man and I finished running errands. Now the buzz is gone and I am just sleepy. And still mostly pain-free!
I'll keep you guys posted!!
I took an IM injection of ketamine this morning and have been relatively pain free (the headache I woke up with last night keeps trying to break through but is so much better than what I'd be dealing with without that injection, I'll take it as a "win") but nothing I can't handle.
I had quite a buzz going -- and would NOT have passed any kind of sobriety test lol -- but had no problem staying awake while the old man and I finished running errands. Now the buzz is gone and I am just sleepy. And still mostly pain-free!
I'll keep you guys posted!!
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That is WONDERFUL!! I too, hope it lasts!
Are the injections easier than infusions?
Are the injections easier than infusions?
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Time-wise, yes. 10-15 minutes (they make you hang around for 10 minutes to make sure you don't have any adverse reactions) vs. a couple-three hours for the infusion.
I was pretty drunk when we left the office. I could walk on my own but I was pretty wobbly -- honestly I'm kinda surprised they didn't stick my ass in a wheelchair to get to the car.
I sobered up over the course of an hour or so and then did a couple of chores when I got home. Nothing fancy -- picked up after the dog and cats (these guys are worse than kids!! 😳🙄🙄) and took care of the rabbits and chickens.
Picked up the bedroom, made the bed, then fell over on it and had the best sleep I've had in a while. Haha!
Btw, I woke up with a really bad headache and upper back spasms this morning. It amazes me that my body can sleep through me hurting like that (the old man came and woke me up for my appointment this morning). A lot of times when I'm really in bad shape I can put an ice pack on my eyes and back of my neck and go to sleep. Problem is it's not a restful sleep. And a lot of times I will wake up in just as bad or worse shape than I was before I down. But at least I'm not awake and dealing with uncontrolled pain -- it is amazing what your body can do in an attempt to escape that kind of pain.
Headache now is slight. Almost non-existent. If I hadn't had a shot and you asked me how I felt I would tell you "Fine". What's amazing to me is my back has been problematic the last week -- apparently the cold really causes problems for me -- and I have NO PAIN whatsoever. I am tickled to death!! Let's hope this holds for a while. 🤗🤗
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