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#1 ·
Just not the full time ones with benefits

Say goodbye to full-time jobs with benefits

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Jobs may be coming back, but they aren't the same ones workers were used to.

Many of the jobs employers are adding are temporary or contract positions, rather than traditional full-time jobs with benefits. With unemployment remaining near 10%, employers have their pick of workers willing to accept less secure positions.

In 2005, the government estimated that 31% of U.S. workers were already so-called contingent workers. Experts say that number could increase to 40% or more in the next 10 years.

James Stoeckmann, senior practice leader at WorldatWork, a professional association of human resource executives, believes that full-time employees could become the minority of the nation's workforce within 20 to 30 years, leaving employees without traditional benefits such as health coverage, paid vacations and retirement plans, that most workers take for granted today.

"The traditional job is not doomed. But it will increasingly have competition from other models, the most prominent is the independent contractor model," he said.

Doug Arms, senior vice president of Ajilon, a staffing firm, says about 90% of the positions his company is helping clients fill right now are on a contract basis.

Sara Horowitz, the founder and executive director of the Freelancers Union, an advocacy group for freelancers and independent contractors, said that employment laws and protections have been slow to recognize the shift. For example, independent contractors aren't eligible for unemployment benefits. And they have to pay both the employee and the employer match on their Social Security taxes.
 
#6 ·
I have been working as an independent contractor (software developer) since 2006.

Sucks at times because your income can sometimes be sporadic. Make $10,000 one month and then nothing the next. And of course Uncle Sam doesn't exactly make it easy for entrepreneurs to get off their feet. The more you make, they more he takes.

But the freedom in being your own boss is great. I will never go back to a day job.
 
#7 ·
"HP to Cut 9,000 Jobs and Take $1 Billion in Costs"

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20.../news/2010-06-01/hp-to-cut-9-000-jobs-and-take-1-billion-in-costs-update3-.html

"...HP will take a $1 billion charge for paying severance and modernizing its data centers to provide more automated services to customers, it said today in a regulatory filing. The Palo Alto, California-based company plans to replace about 6,000 of the eliminated positions with workers in different countries..."

I've joked about filing myself as a corporation, perhaps based in the Caymans, but now I'm wondering if I could boost my IT career by filing a corporation with an Indian-sounding name, and getting a P.O. Box in India.
 
#10 ·
"...HP will take a $1 billion charge for paying severance and modernizing its data centers to provide more automated services to customers, it said today in a regulatory filing. The Palo Alto, California-based company plans to replace about 6,000 of the eliminated positions with workers in different countries..."
As I recall, HP was already grumbling about the costs they'd incur from Oboma Care so this isn't a total shock.
 
#13 ·
This is to be expected. Eventually there will be enough contract jobs out there that people will start to have a choice in which ones to take. And then companies will need to figure out ways to retain their good employees and keep them from going to the competition. Then you'll start seeing more permanent jobs again.
 
#17 ·
That's something my old employers also said. The cost of supplying health care was going thru the roof. The average age of the employees in my shop was getting up there, and everybody had a lifetime hospitalization cap of $1 million dollars for each employee. And they were eating that up fast, so imagine being on the hook for 700 employees x $1 million dollars each, that's $700 million dollars just for hospitalization.....They were self insured so it wasn't some insurance company footing the bill......They said the heck with it and closed our shop.

My old job is not coming back.
 
#23 ·
this after i retire from my job i landed a part job this company offered my a lot of it what is know as telecomputeing with a few days a month going to diff places to check up on the jobs that where handed out ..

the work involves basically going and following up on the first person work to see if they really did follow the company guide lines when doing the back ground check on the person ..

with a basic daily rate of $.75 .oo dollars a day and per diem for hotel and gas and food for the so many days you out ...part of the deal is that you have to have a scanner -printer combo system and good high speed internet set up ..but they will throw you as much work as you want you pass the background check that they have themself for your work area..

one of the people who i talked to about ..he works about 10 days a month to basically help himself to a little play money for fooling around with .or if what to go somewhere he put in some standy hours to make the money ..he basically say i work when i want and play when i want to ..

the way it going the whole thing of telecomputeing it going to be the way of the future of office work as the one ladys tells me ..
 
#31 ·
It's nothing new. It started in the late 1980's and has grown ever since.
 
#27 ·
Nobody owes you anything.
exactly, we dont owe them tax breaks or incentives to hire us, i would be so inclined to say if you send jobs overseas, you can no longer sell in the us market. getting all the benifits of being a "citizen" but not paying for any of it.

corp welfare is alot bigger then private welfare, believe that. we bend over backwards for these people and get crapped on daily, how exactly are you going to run a company when your 6 feet under because you thought it was more important to get 50 cents on your dividend then to honor your pension agreement with me.
 
#28 ·
Watch what you wish for in companies no longer selling in the US. There are many gun & ammo manufacturers that will not sell to California because of all the BS rules here.The CA gun market is huge but many have given up. With anti business practices the US may go the same way. Do you think Australias proposed 40% mining tax will gain or lose jobs in their country?

My current house guest a ex evil banker (soon to be my neighbor) tells me you are just starting to see the job loss from ObamaCare. Everyone can thank the Dems & Obama,smart move.

What foreign company has not honored their pension plan?

Corp welfare, fine end it all right now. I'm fine with that ,but when all those tax incentives are gone now the increased costs will have to come from somewhere else. Corporations and all solvent business people pass along their costs to their customers.

If you want to lose millions more jobs just take away the corporate welfare-incentives. Loss of jobs and increases in prices are surely not the way to go. If the federal govt,states and even cities don't give corporate welfare the jobs will go to places that will. I agree it sounds stupid but its the way thats used to bring in and keep employers. If you have any better ideas I'm sure there are many that would be interested.

Those in the workforce will have to reinvent themselves and get very creative to compete in a deflationary enviroment. If one is not willing to accept the change from the old easy credit days they will be unemployed.

Red
 
#29 ·
Watch what you wish for in companies no longer selling in the US.
why you think they are going to turn a profit in 2 buck a day vietnam or somewhere?

america is THEE market for 95% of the WORLD'S companies, why do you think foreign companies are always trying to break into our market, it's because the rest of the world can not support a business like the us consumer can.

There are many gun & ammo manufacturers that will not sell to California because of all the BS rules here.
And ALL gun and ammo manufacturers that can not sell to half of the worlds countries(uk,canada,aussie,etc) you think they want to add their best market(usa) to that list? are you crazy?

My current house guest a ex evil banker (soon to be my neighbor) tells me you are just starting to see the job loss from ObamaCare. Everyone can thank the Dems & Obama,smart move.
so, a guy who used to work for a bank says that we are starting to see job loss from obamacare

and you believe him...............lmfao

man, people will believe anything now a days eh?

tell me, what job has been lost? i want THEE job that has been lost, give me that person's name,number and what job they lost recently that is directly tied to obamacare, and i will send them 2k for their pain.

put up or shut up with your ignorant rumors from idiotic people, i'm assuming this is the same guy that told you canada and aussie currency is a good bet eh?

What foreign company has not honored their pension plan?
talking about america here bro, who cares about foreign companies, lots of america companys are getting ready to drop their pension(all of them underfunded anyway) plans.


good luck in lala land brother.
 
#30 ·
You are the one that brought up "i would be so inclined to say if you send jobs overseas, you can no longer sell in the us market. getting all the benifits of being a "citizen" but not paying for any of it."

Well to give you a little real world advice one could just take the product make it in Canada and Mexico sell under another brand name and sell into the US market to beat your little ill conceived ban. Who knows NAFTA may even allow it to be sold under any of the banned companies brands. Push for your style bans to save jobs,see where it gets you.

My retired evil banker advisor is worth far over $100 million,what are you worth? What is your advice worth? Have you ever made me money with your wild ideas? No and I know you never will. Even your online name was "borrowed" from someone elses work. My friend has made a lot of people money ,me included.

Lately I have moved even more cash assets to Aussie & Canadian denominations. I don't care what the short term movement is, I'm looking at protecting my money for 5 years plus currency movements. The more the dollar increases the more I move to safer places. But just in case you didn't notice Australia & Canada have better interest rates than here in the US so I will do very well.

By the way have you checked out how well my oil & nat gas assets I bought on the doom & gloom week have increased. CRT,HGT,UPL made me a couple bucks :D:Its to bad I bought them to hold long term. I would have locked in some fat profits. BUT I'm in a pay minimum tax mode long into the future.

I could care less what you believe, but if you want a hot tip just keep watching for those 4 and 5 digit job losses in the news. Its not rumors just simple spreadsheet facts.

The bottom line is when you make YOUR first few million look me up. I may listen to you,but until then...

Red

why you think they are going to turn a profit in 2 buck a day vietnam or somewhere?

america is THEE market for 95% of the WORLD'S companies, why do you think foreign companies are always trying to break into our market, it's because the rest of the world can not support a business like the us consumer can.



And ALL gun and ammo manufacturers that can not sell to half of the worlds countries(uk,canada,aussie,etc) you think they want to add their best market(usa) to that list? are you crazy?



so, a guy who used to work for a bank says that we are starting to see job loss from obamacare

and you believe him...............lmfao

man, people will believe anything now a days eh?

tell me, what job has been lost? i want THEE job that has been lost, give me that person's name,number and what job they lost recently that is directly tied to obamacare, and i will send them 2k for their pain.

put up or shut up with your ignorant rumors from idiotic people, i'm assuming this is the same guy that told you canada and aussie currency is a good bet eh?



talking about america here bro, who cares about foreign companies, lots of america companys are getting ready to drop their pension(all of them underfunded anyway) plans.


good luck in lala land brother.
 
#33 ·
Well to give you a little real world advice one could just take the product make it in Canada and Mexico sell under another brand name and sell into the US market to beat your little ill conceived ban. Who knows NAFTA may even allow it to be sold under any of the banned companies brands. Push for your style bans to save jobs,see where it gets you
it's to punish companies, not save jobs, good thng you got guys worth 100 mil to think for you though.

My retired evil banker advisor is worth far over $100 million,what are you worth? What is your advice worth? Have you ever made me money with your wild ideas? No and I know you never will. Even your online name was "borrowed" from someone elses work. My friend has made a lot of people money ,me included.
worth 100 mil, but yet single, and crashing at your pad, yeah i totally believe that.:rolleyes:


Lately I have moved even more cash assets to Aussie & Canadian denominations. I don't care what the short term movement is, I'm looking at protecting my money for 5 years plus currency movements. The more the dollar increases the more I move to safer places. But just in case you didn't notice Australia & Canada have better interest rates than here in the US so I will do very well.
Right, and i'm guessing he forgot to tell you about the aussie housing bubble about to pop and make your aussie investments worthless right?

Australia faces worse crisis than America
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...bysector/banksandfinance/2794032/Australia-faces-worse-crisis-than-America.html

"Australia will now have to generate 4pc of GDP to meet payments to foreign holders of its assets," he said. This is twice as high as the burden faced by the US.

Both the Australian and New Zealand dollars have fallen hard in recent days and now appear to be breaking down through key technical support against major currencies, including the US dollar. "The Aussie is going down, big time," said Mr Redeker.

Hosed in Canada; Housing Crash is a Given
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/05/hosed-in-canada-housing-crash-is-given.html

Canadians are spending more and more of their disposable income on housing. In Toronto, 44% of disposable income goes to housing and in Vancouver the figure is a whopping 68%. The trend is likely not sustainable.

Are you sure he is worth 100 mil, i mean giving out clearly bad advice like he is? i would change advisors to someone who at least knows what is going on in the markets you want to invest in.:thumb:


By the way have you checked out how well my oil & nat gas assets I bought on the doom & gloom week have increased. CRT,HGT,UPL made me a couple bucks :D:Its to bad I bought them to hold long term. I would have locked in some fat profits. BUT I'm in a pay minimum tax mode long into the future.
dude, put all your money into oil and natural gas, and collect some pocket change, lets see you get your money back out of the investments in 2 years from now.

oh btw, keep "hoping" for a min tax mode long into the future, i guess you think your one of the ones the government wont tax 70% of to help pay the bills, how is life on the river denial?
 
#40 ·
it's to punish companies, not save jobs, good thng you got guys worth 100 mil to think for you though.



worth 100 mil, but yet single, and crashing at your pad, yeah i totally believe that.:rolleyes:

You are such a child and tool of your own madness. The man is out here on business for a client. He has been a guy that over the years laughed at my simple self sustaining lifestyle far from others. Over the years he handled some profitable sales of assets for me that I thought had reached the limits of my country boy JC educated abilities. I did very very well.

He has always lived the NYC fast & flashy life but now like many here at this site he is scared for his family. He wanted my advice on some real assets I am somewhat good at evaluating.
After we took care of business I took him to the river and let him experience the quiet of this remote area get his hands dirty and find his first gold flakes after learning to use a gold pan. After a few weeks in my foreign simple life he asked my help in finding him a place here! Helping someone that now "gets it" and finds another "value" that is worth more than his quest for smoke and mirrors.I'm guilty of helping someone find a "real" life!



Right, and i'm guessing he forgot to tell you about the aussie housing bubble about to pop and make your aussie investments worthless right?

I don't get ALL my information from the mass media and all those washed & dried and bundled paper facts like you. I have made my insignificant fortune by talking to the right people on the ground and looking at facts that never filter up to most others. The view of any long term investment is from the ground not some remote ivory tower filtered down to you by the mass media you so hate. YOU don't have a clue about what to look for in a long term value investment.

Are you sure he is worth 100 mil, i mean giving out clearly bad advice like he is? i would change advisors to someone who at least knows what is going on in the markets you want to invest in.:thumb:

No that is what he tells me! But we went to breakfast in town Monday where he had cell service and he did a wire transfer from his checking account of $1.3 million into the escrow account to pay for his near turn key retreat. The guy handling the account called 15m later confirming the arrival of the money. Good enough for this simple guy!

dude, put all your money into oil and natural gas, and collect some pocket change, lets see you get your money back out of the investments in 2 years from now.

Yes,those monthly royalty checks of 8 to 12.3 % for PMGYF are tough to endure on the 2 mil investment. Do the math,risk yes but more odds of an upside and a LOT better than anything you could come up with! Then if you want to check my short term cap gain stats since doom & gloom week, do it! Where others were quivering in fear I went 20% of liquid assets in. Surely not a "all in" move but dead money is always dumb money!
My UPL and oil and gas trusts are sure hurting me bad on ST Cap gains aren't they? Now add in the fat dividends. Yeah,I'm dumb like you say! Enjoy your 1% in bank interest or whatever you put your bets on.
If I make 2 of 3 bets come in the green for me I win.


oh btw, keep "hoping" for a min tax mode long into the future, i guess you think your one of the ones the government wont tax 70% of to help pay the bills, how is life on the river denial?
If I wish I can make zero income if I think I'm getting screwed on taxes. I can sell losers to offset gains and buy them back in 32 days with no change in asset holdings just no tax due! Other than property taxes we live very cheap, about $600 a month,we have simple needs and no payments on anything. I can live with no income,just principal for maybe 20,000 years if needed!

You can listen to what I say or not I really don't care. I have all I will ever need and have nothing to prove to anyone. I try to get people to think ahead and not live in the ways of the past. If encouraging someone/everyone to get out there and build their own fortune by reinventing themselves and thinking what will work in the future not the past,I'm guilty.

If a simple country boy with no degree of any kind can make it anyone can!

But where does that put your caustic comments and worthless drivel?

Red
 
#37 ·
EH, if more jobs are going contract, and you feel the need to provide benefits to people, IMO its simple. Start a staffing agency for contract workers. Charge your hourly price, pay your workers and provide benefits to the people... Its low overhead, make your clients pay weekly and pay your workers bi-weekly....

Everyone needs to adapt to survive...those that don't are left behind...I have heard of people in IT ( what I do every day ) STILL out of work from the dot com bust because they refuse to learn new tech or a new way of doing things...
 
#41 ·
All jobs belong to the employer, not the employee.
If I owned my own business right now, I would staff up with temporary help.
You can thank unpredictable big government regulation games for that.
Temp help gives you more options, quick response to changing conditions, and less hassle than managing your own personnel.
That's just a fact.
 
#42 ·
That's why this is the common employment model in TV and movie production and has been for, well, since they both began. :)
 
#45 ·
**Talk about living in the past? This may have been the case 10 or 20 years ago, but have you studied the actual growth levels in China, India, etc.?
why, yes, yes i have. although impressive for the short term they will have them, one word comes to mind...unsustainable. but i wont bother you with silly stuff like exponential growth and the problems all consumer/capitalist economys must go thru at the end. you will see it happen with your own eyes.

They have definitely eroded your theory of our continuing to own 95% of the worlds markets. Other markets definitely CAN support business like the US consumer could once.
really? if you mean "other markets" as the whole consuming world, then yeah sure. if you mean markets as in say, greece or spain, or the uk, or china, or ANY OTHER MARKET you care to name then no, no one market comes close to spending as much on crap as the american market.:thumb:


What makes you think they can't sell to UK and Canada? I have many friends in both those countries that have more guns than I do! The may not be rapid fire, but these guys still buy a lot of guns
um, what made me think you could not buy guns there? maybe it was the whole gun ban thingy, or is there not a FULL gun ban in the uk.

The trail blazing UK held the distinction of having the toughest firearm restrictions of any democracy and their 1997 handgun ban became the "gold standard" of gun control.
what guns were your friends buying in the uk again?

and while you can buy a gun in canada, are you really try to compare this market

As of December 2009, the Canadian Firearms Program recorded a total of 1,843,913 valid firearm licenses, roughly 5.4% of the population, with a total of 7,459,504 registered firearms (September 2009).
with the usa market of like 30 million guns sold last year?

really? can you name another market that buys as many guns as us consumers? please provide stats with the hot air.


My Uncle is a banker, you would be amazed at the information they have to know in order to "leach" from the efforts of others. While I have no respect for the average banker, I do respect the information they have access to. They support the ones who are actually out there doing what it takes to make money. Their livelyhood is based on the impact of events
um, they dont support nobody but themself brother, let me guess, now is the part where you tell me they put THEIR money on the line so you can start a business right?

i'm glad your uncle was a banker, my great aunt was US Treasurer for a number of years, means nothing about our grasp of the problems does it?

This statement reminds me of "Pig Vomit" from Howard Stern. He wasn't willing to embrace change either and wound up managing mini-malls and losing his job as a hot shot exec
Interesting that your drifted off here on a ramble, what exactly do you know about change brother?

Stand outside the door at AETNA, CIGNA, BCBS, CVS, PFIZER, COVENTRY, or any number of Insurance companies or pharmacies and they will tell you what cost them their job on their way out the door. I work with them on a daily basis. I hope your statement stems from lack of knowledge and not just ignorance
funny, the provisions of the healthcare bill have not even gone into effect yet,

but yet jobs are already lost, well tell me since you work with them, whats one persons name who wants to collect 2k from me when their super tells me they were let go because of obamacare and not downsizing or some other regular letting go.

just one will do, thanks.

My statements on the above are from experience, not rumors. I hope you can at least understand what Red is saying. You don't have to accept it, but at least watch what is happening and learn something.
your kidding right? i'm praying your survival skills are much better then your understanding of the world and whats going on.

I love my country more than most
:rolleyes:
sure you do buddy, sure you do.

but from an economic standpoint, we have competition now and will need to change or get lost in the winds of change
interesting thought, very deep, i'm really taken back by the scope of what your saying here. Everything you were saying is all coming into focus now, my god what was i thinking.

ok yeah, um, like whatever dude, go back to the bong rips if you cant understand what the economic standpoint really is
 
#46 ·
I don't get ALL my information from the mass media and all those washed & dried and bundled paper facts like you. I have made my insignificant fortune by talking to the right people on the ground and looking at facts that never filter up to most others. The view of any long term investment is from the ground not some remote ivory tower filtered down to you by the mass media you so hate. YOU don't have a clue about what to look for in a long term value investment.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics revealed that in December alone, housing prices jumped a full 5.2 percent to 13. 6 percent. In Melbourne, prices rocketed up 20 percent.
you wanna get really on the ground? here is a board i have been going on for 5 years now
http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/

we talk about their bubble all the time
Is the property market heading for a tumble?
http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=257295

so please, tell me, who is your inside guy? maybe i could get some inside news from him? whats your on the ground source?

No that is what he tells me! But we went to breakfast in town Monday where he had cell service and he did a wire transfer from his checking account of $1.3 million into the escrow account to pay for his near turn key retreat. The guy handling the account called 15m later confirming the arrival of the money. Good enough for this simple guy!
ah, so what the ears hear and the eyes see is the truth then right?

Yes,those monthly royalty checks of 8 to 12.3 % for PMGYF are tough to endure on the 2 mil investment. Do the math,risk yes but more odds of an upside and a LOT better than anything you could come up with! Then if you want to check my short term cap gain stats since doom & gloom week, do it! Where others were quivering in fear I went 20% of liquid assets in. Surely not a "all in" move but dead money is always dumb money!
My UPL and oil and gas trusts are sure hurting me bad on ST Cap gains aren't they? Now add in the fat dividends. Yeah,I'm dumb like you say! Enjoy your 1% in bank interest or whatever you put your bets on.
If I make 2 of 3 bets come in the green for me I win.
yes,yes i know, your a legend on wall street, keep collecting them frn's, at least you have enough preps to last you, thank god for that.

If I wish I can make zero income if I think I'm getting screwed on taxes. I can sell losers to offset gains and buy them back in 32 days with no change in asset holdings just no tax due! Other than property taxes we live very cheap, about $600 a month,we have simple needs and no payments on anything. I can live with no income,just principal for maybe 20,000 years if needed
principal frn's? you wont make it 5 years with those friend, if that long.:thumb:

You can listen to what I say or not I really don't care. I have all I will ever need and have nothing to prove to anyone. I try to get people to think ahead and not live in the ways of the past. If encouraging someone/everyone to get out there and build their own fortune by reinventing themselves and thinking what will work in the future not the past,I'm guilty.
Then stop giving investment advice better off left in the past, sure anyone your age could of made it, today is A LOT different then when you started to build your money. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp is it?
 
#48 ·
RF

My money wasn't all made in the past. The last week has been very good to me.
red, i dont see what your not understanding.

you had 2 mil(or something)to invest last week, so sure you made money.

telling people with 20k for their life savings to invest it in the market today is plan stupid

Bottom line: Do you want to test your ability to make money against mine in the right now investment world with real money? "It's not that hard of a concept to grasp is it?"
well for one red, i dont invest in the market, but if you mean could you match my one day returns for what i do invest in(concerts/club nights) then the anwser would be if you invested enough money, you might be able to.

my best one day total was 160k, which in my work is not the highest ever made by far

San Bernardino officials are hoping the Orange Show and Masterdome, a small dance club on G Street, will voluntarily stop holding raves, but say that probably will not happen because the shows are big moneymakers. Tickets can cost $30 each. As many as 10,000 people -- mostly teens -- attend each party.
i guess since i dont brag about the money i made, imust be some poor slob who just breaks his back for every dollar.

since 1992(i was 18) i have been throwing rave party's/club events and i owned my own club for 2 years near chicago(1998-2000) in hammond indiana called area 51, off 169th st. and grand ave.

i would make 2500 a night off bottle water sales(3 bucks a bottle)alone.

i realize you have no clue about the money to be made in such a scene, or that even a scene like this exists where you can make 300k in a night, but it does.

as far as the market brother, i would not invest in it, even if you gave me the money to do so.

again, good luck collecting your money in 2 years. and please stop assuming your the only person able to make money cause you put it in the market.
 
#49 ·
RF I am very proud of your success! I have nothing but respect for those that get out there and do it! I always thought that bottling water was a good business but selling it for $3 each to a captive hot thirsty market is my kind of business plan. Not banking your life on the market is a big plus in todays world as you well know. I don't have a clue about all the good ways to make money,thats why I am out here in cyberspace. Learning what works for other people. Not insulting them. Ring a few bells ,yes it keeps me on the ball and questioning my direction. Keep posting the good links and sharp opinions. I hate to break it to you but most of my life I've been a poor slob working 80 to 100 hour weeks. Having a job and keeping a business or two going takes lots of time. My first job was on a oil rig in Texas a very hot dirty job. To top it off they went broke and owed me 2 months pay. I learned the business hard and fast.

I'll stick with believing in my oil & natural gas investments. Collect the dividends and let nature take its course. Every day less oil exists and demand will come back. I'm patient and I get paid to wait. If people won't need oil and nat gas for driving and heating their homes we will surely be in dire conditions. But even that will be overcome.

Your water sales make me think of my long time thoughts of selling ad space on water bottles. I've always wondered why the water guys don't do it. Those bottles are everywhere. What a lost oppurtunity to make $$.

Before you make a fortune you have to lose two!

Good Luck! We will all need it.

Red
 
#51 ·
I have been working as an independent contractor (software developer) since 2006.

Sucks at times because your income can sometimes be sporadic. Make $10,000 one month and then nothing the next. And of course Uncle Sam doesn't exactly make it easy for entrepreneurs to get off their feet. The more you make, they more he takes.

But the freedom in being your own boss is great. I will never go back to a day job.
So true. I have been self-employed since 2003 and I can say that a team of wild horses couldn't drag me back to the "secure-full-time-job-with-benefits-and-a-gold-watch-in-30 years-retirement-party" illusion again.