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Obama has never met an anti-gun law that he doesn't like. I'm from Illinois and the gun owners here have been watching Obama like a hawk. He positively, absolutely hates guns, the military and law enforcement officers. Given his chance, Obama will disarm hunters, civilians, the police officers and even our own military forces. So if you vote for Obama and he take away your guns, you get what you deserve.
 

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I heard a couple rumors that Obma,If he wins wants to take away guns from citizen's is this stuff true or just a wild rumor?If its true does it mean hunters and everything to:confused:?
Obama has come out in the past in support of absolute gun control and is a supporter of the Chicago handgun ban. He is backed by the Brady Campaign and numerous other anti gun groups. These are facts and not scare tactics like many closed minded liberals would have you believe.

And yes it means ALL FIREARMS.
 

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Regulating stuff on a state level and on a federal level are two different things.
Wolfman, time to take your lithium and thorazine.... If someone supporst something in their state it shows intent,,, that carries over to their future actions when they become a federal regulator. For your information Obama was one of the people who attempted to stall the senate's action to force DC to comply with the SCOTUS Heller ruling... and That my small minded friend IS anti firearm actions in addition to allowing the DC city council to commit contempt of court by not following the court ruling, which I might point out is also contrary to fulfilling the oath Obama took when he took office. And the list goes on...

Liberalism isnt a belief, it's a disease.
 

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Look up his senate record.

his record includes:

Yes to,
S Amdt 4615 to HR 5441: To prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

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No to,
S 397: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

If he wanted to ban gun guns why not start here (voting no to all)? The facts say he is not against gun ownership.

People can talk crap all day long but the facts speak for themself.
 

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Obama, who is supposed to be a Constitutional lawyer and while he was in the Illinois senate, voted for a bill that would allow the ban and confiscation of handguns, that bill would directly violate the 2nd and 4th Amendments of the Constitution.
 

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Look up his senate record.

his record includes:

Yes to,
S Amdt 4615 to HR 5441: To prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

and

No to,
S 397: A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

If he wanted to ban gun guns why not start here (voting no to all)? The facts say he is not against gun ownership.

People can talk crap all day long but the facts speak for themself.
Let's look at this from a pro-gun point of view.

He voted to prevent the confiscation of guns - that's good.
He voted to require locks with every sale - not good or bad; just a waste of money.
He voted to support civil liability suits against companies who had nothing to do with the injury. that's so bad it's reason enough to vote against him.

Allan
 

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Whenever the presidential election takes place, the Republican conservatives will say the liberal wants to take our guns away. It's just political slander.
I would not say it is political slander, it is brought up because that is what he has a history of doing and Democrat presidents have a habit of signing those type of bills,see also 1994 AWB.

Now the majority legislature will present another anti-gun bill they have been drooling about since 2004 when the AWB expired.
 

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Obama will not be confiscating any firearms from people who legally own them, and I do not believe he'll be making any changes to the types of firarms that we can legally buy. He's samrt enough to see the politicial reality of needing to be a moderate on this issue's how he's been talking throughout the primararies & the general campaign, and it's how he'll work as president.

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FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 2008. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm) Oct 21, 2004.

16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.

17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.

18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf.
Shut it Hippie, you're clueless on this.....
 

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Thats funny the last liberal in office did take away guns.

-Cade
What's even FUNNIER is that after Katrina, when guns were confiscated, the conservative in office looked the other way..

Face it people, regardless of which shill is in office, and regardless of what they say about guns, soon there will be a day when they are rounded up, just like in Canada. UK and Australia.

The idea that Americans are not going to stand for it is long gone.. Most Americans don't own guns any longer, and most who do don't have the balls to put up much of a fight, or even hide the ones they DO have..
 

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Umm, Kahn. I stated my beliefs. If you believe other than I do, that's great. But let's try to talk like grown ups, shall we?

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It's funny how you now use the term "beliefs", since he shoved a crapload of FACTS in your face..

Anyone who goes so out of their way to support Obama or McCain deserves what is going to happen.. Just like those who supported Bill Clinton, and ended up having to turn in their "assault rifles" or destroy them..

Obama and McCain are both going to eventually be part of the machine that tries to take our guns from us.. That's going to happen.. Not opinion.. It is fact.. It may not happen their first day of office, but with the new powers that Bush has given them, they will look for any excuse to use them and all we need is one "emergency" declared and the blackwater ****heads will be going door to door, all courtesy of the government that Americans have been so complacent in supporting. Right or left, it's the two party system and those playing this stupid game that have allowed our constitution to be trampled by politicians like Obama and McCain.
 

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Umm, Kahn. I stated my beliefs. If you believe other than I do, that's great. But let's try to talk like grown ups, shall we?

HippieSurvivalist

Why don't you acknowledge the UNDENIABLE FACTS that Obama is for gun control and will even voted to violate your 2nd and 4th Amendment Rights to accomplish what he wants.

Obama is a scumbag, first he wants your guns, then w/o them you can't fight for your rights that he's going to take away so he can force socialism down your throat w/o resistance.
 

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The idea that Americans are not going to stand for it is long gone.. Most Americans don't own guns any longer, and most who do don't have the balls to put up much of a fight, or even hide the ones they DO have..

100,000,000 out of 300,000,000 million isn't a lot of gun owners? Also on average they own 3-4 guns each, that's more than enough to arm the entire country.
 

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100,000,000 out of 300,000,000 million isn't a lot of gun owners? Also on average they own 3-4 guns each, that's more than enough to arm the entire country.
Most people I know here in the Northeast, don't own guns.. If I rounded up 100 of my family and friends, maybe 10 would be gun owners. Out of those 10 gun owners, I would say that maybe 5 would be willing to actually use the 2nd amendment for the reasons those who created it, created it for..

Not saying that there aren't a LOT of gun owners.. but not as many as America is given credit for having..

granted, I'm in the northeast.. I am sure that down south, you will have more gun owners per ca pita..

The problem is that most people don't understand that this is a time when soon we'll have to put up or shut up.. And with the amount of people still playing the two party system game, I don't think that enough people are aware of the situation enough to actually make the stand when the time comes..

I think most gun owners are less ballsy than they claim they are. Judging by the way guns were confiscated after Katrina and hardly anyone made a stink, I think that my case has already been proven.
 
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