their is one hole in the theory.. A EMP is considered the same as a Nuclear attack. ANY EMP attack on the US would trigger a retaliatory nuclear strike by the US...

 

The premis of the going home story as revealed in book 2 or 3 (cant remember which) was that the cmander and chief gave some a green light or atleast reassurance the us would not retalitate, the entire event was blamed on a solar flare. However my post i
snt about what happens to whatever countey that would do it, more so about the long term effects on the us.

 

Thank you for the input!

 

Red Dawn came out before the Reagan tranformation of the US Military. Within 4 yrs our conventional forces, our precision munitions, and our logistics made that scenario impossible.

Within 12 yrs we could project four complete divisions around the world, and we stompted the worlds fourth largest army into dust, all within weeks. The world has not seen this kind of power projection ever.

I do not trust several group in our government, and I dont over look the possibility they might damage flyover country them selves. But I am pretty certain that no other country could or would try this today.

 

Red Dawn came out before the Reagan tranformation of the US Military. Within 4 yrs our conventional forces, our precision munitions, and our logistics made that scenario impossible.

Within 12 yrs we could project four complete divisions around the world, and we stompted the worlds fourth largest army into dust, all within weeks. The world has not seen this kind of power projection ever.

I do not trust several group in our government, and I dont over look the possibility they might damage flyover country them selves. But I am pretty certain that no other country could or would try this today.

That's yesterdays news and wishful thinking about your military.
What everyone is thinking about is the US defeat in Afghanistan, which also dragged down NATO.

Just think about what your enemies have seen.
The "greatest military force in the world" defeated by an 'almost' octogenarian some fools made POTUS.

Is it not right when your enemies now say,
America, let alone US led NATO, will no longer engage.

Russia have proved that.
You and your NATO did nothing to stop Russia before everything kicked off.
Why? Because the US and therefore NATO was scared to take on Russia (and still is).

After the show started, you and others armed Ukraine but that is just a sideshow.
You didn't engage when you should have and thus your worth has been lessened in the eyes of your enemies.

I also think that emboldened China to be thinking about Taiwan.
US reaction to that? Rattle sabres.
NATO's reaction? No Action Talk Only.
Have either done anything practical like put forces on Taiwan just in case.
A show of force in real time? No.
Why not?
Could it just be that your POTUS is scared that China throws a hissy fit?

You may have a lean green fighting machine but it is controlled by a weak in heart, limp wrist and mind, political system. Something that is the butt of jokes throughout your enemies.

 

A good friend of mine works for the Department of Defense at the War College at Fort Leavenworth, KS. His job is to work with his team to war game scenarios for WWIII, civil unrest and pretty much every other contingency. He was visiting in my home not long ago and I mentioned that I was afraid that the Chinese would eat our lunch the way things are going. His response was telling: “They already have.” They are already invading us. They are in our universities, in our research labs, they have purchased hundreds of thousands of acres of American farmland and food processing plants.

What the Chinese haven’t done is to fire a shot toward an American civilian or military installation. They won’t until they are confident they can prevail. Note, I did not say when they are able to win, but when they are confident they can win. There is an important difference.

The difference is important because the CCP has been working very hard to convince themselves that they have become militarily invincible. Even if they aren’t, if they think they are they might move on America.

And why shouldn’t they? America has been consistently projecting weakness to the global community. The debacle of the US surrender of Afghanistan to the Taliban was both shameful and a signal to anyone who is paying attention that the US no longer has any staying power in a military conflict. We haven’t won a conflict since WWII. Biden is doing his level best to emasculate our military services by both eliminating any command structure that won’t go along with his globalist/woke policies as did Obama before him. The upper echelon of military command have become career politicians rather than military commanders concerned with winning conflicts.

If the PLA doesn’t make a move on Taiwan after Xi is re-elected again, I’ll be more than surprised. The US will protest, of course, but they’ll quickly move our naval forces toward Guam. We no longer have any military forces stationed on Taiwan so there is no longer a potential flash point with the PLA and American forces on the island.

The Chinese seem intent on a non-military invasion of the US. They will continue to prosecute cyber warfare against us and Biden will do nothing about it since he’s been bought and paid for by the Chinese as he has clearly demonstrated since taking office and in prior years as well. He is the Manchurian Candidate for real.

The real question is whether or not the rank and file American citizen will continue to put up with the traitorous regime currently occupying the Oval Office.

 

A good friend of mine works for the Department of Defense at the War College at Fort Leavenworth, KS. His job is to work with his team to war game scenarios for WWIII, civil unrest and pretty much every other contingency. He was visiting in my home not long ago and I mentioned that I was afraid that the Chinese would eat our lunch the way things are going. His response was telling: “They already have.” They are already invading us. They are in our universities, in our research labs, they have purchased hundreds of thousands of acres of American farmland and food processing plants.

What the Chinese haven’t done is to fire a shot toward an American civilian or military installation. They won’t until they are confident they can prevail. Note, I did not say when they are able to win, but when they are confident they can win. There is an important difference.

The difference is important because the CCP has been working very hard to convince themselves that they have become militarily invincible. Even if they aren’t, if they think they are they might move on America.

And why shouldn’t they? America has been consistently projecting weakness to the global community. The debacle of the US surrender of Afghanistan to the Taliban was both shameful and a signal to anyone who is paying attention that the US no longer has any staying power in a military conflict. We haven’t won a conflict since WWII. Biden is doing his level best to emasculate our military services by both eliminating any command structure that won’t go along with his globalist/woke policies as did Obama before him. The upper echelon of military command have become career politicians rather than military commanders concerned with winning conflicts.

If the PLA doesn’t make a move on Taiwan after Xi is re-elected again, I’ll be more than surprised. The US will protest, of course, but they’ll quickly move our naval forces toward Guam. We no longer have any military forces stationed on Taiwan so there is no longer a potential flash point with the PLA and American forces on the island.

The Chinese seem intent on a non-military invasion of the US. They will continue to prosecute cyber warfare against us and Biden will do nothing about it since he’s been bought and paid for by the Chinese as he has clearly demonstrated since taking office and in prior years as well. He is the Manchurian Candidate for real.

The real question is whether or not the rank and file American citizen will continue to put up with the traitorous regime currently occupying the Oval Office.

Greetings from 1.5mi high. The scene I laid out in my post was partially taken from a book called going home its a 10 book series that follows the emp story line, I listen to audio books on audible allot. I would reccomend the series.
Second series I like listen too is called Borrowed world, this is also an excellent series on audible, the first chapter of this book is mind blowing. (Not to give it away) it is so incredibly possible and so simple it could be happening now and you would have no idea untill it was done. It brings the entire country to halt in minutes, using equipment from ww2. Reason I mention it is its a similiar effect to your cyber warfare, just a very different and much simpler way to do it. Both books imo have what seems to be very realistic steps the gov would take following an event of this magnitude. However no way to fact check it of course.

 

Oh, I forgot that the CCP is killing Americans in enormous numbers by providing the Mexican drug cartels with the components for making Fentanyl. Already there are more than 107,000 Americans between the ages of 18-45 who have died from these poison pills and powder. It is flowing across our open southern border along with human sex traffickers. It’s much cheaper and far less risky to kill Americans with drugs than with bullets. And what do we hear about this mass murder of our countrymen from the regime at the White House? Nothing!

They’ll get real excited about a “mass shooting” that kills a few people here and there from time-to-time so they can advance their gun control agenda, but when thousands and thousands of Americans die because of the regime’s truly stupid open border policies, nothing but crickets. These people are traitors and nothing less.

 

The Chinese government is providing drug cartels with components to make drugs? Or is it some crooked people in China trafficking the components?

 

China's military - 2.5 million

Illegals pouring across the border in the last 18 months - 4.9 million.

We have not only already lost the invasion but we are paying the invaders for coming....

 

Agreed

 

The US is soon to become a net food importer, says USDA - Food Politics by Marion Nestle

I was interested to see this graph in a recent report, USDA Agricultural Projections to 2031. What this says is that agricultural imports are soon expected to be greater than agricultural exports. Within the next year or so, the United States will be a net importer of agricultural products. As...

www.foodpolitics.com

According to usda us will become net food importer within a year or two.

 

I can see this as potential based on current administration's strangle hold on diesel and fertilizer, however I believe this would change with the next consertive president.

 

Watched a movie on netflix or prime. The usa defaulted on chinese debt, so the chicom deactivared via a back door every micro chip. They took over without a shot.. our govt. Was in cahoots with them.

 

Movie name?

 

The invasion Red Dawn style has been an over fantasized theory, just like nuclear war in my opinion.
Red dawn style: would never happen based on no military on the planet would want to tangle with the US then take what is left of their military and send them here to invade, even if it was possible they now have basically zero military left to not only defend their home, but defend and entire continent from every other country on earth wanting to take it over. Seems as close to impossible as one can get.
Nuclear event: The us is literally the breadbasket for the world, providing better farm land then anywhere else on the planet the amount of crops we export to the globe is staggering. Add to that the hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland China has been buying at a premium for years. Anyone that would nuke us aside from retaliation, would put the entire globe into a state of mass starvation, and if it wasn't China have to answer to China for making the billions thay have spent on farmland over the years worthless to ever grow crops again. Seems logical to me.

What I believe is possible. EMP, or series of EMP's it is the best weapon of war against us. Think about it, no long term effects to the land for the occupying force, the rifles behind every blade of grass would go with 90-95% of the population in the first year from disease, starvation, murder, disentangle would take out atleast 50% of the population in the first 6 months. Its not that their military is better but someone has to run and maintain equipment, the number of deserting troops would be 70%+ they need to protect their family's just like you wouldn't show up to work either, same with law enforcement, etc. Then deduct those that would walk and wouldn't go along with the fema disarming crap that would take up another 5-10% so on a good day military a year after is functioning at 20%. Set of one or multiple EMP's and wait 1-2 years and then have their way.

This is my opinion of how it could become a reality. This is very similiar to the book called going home, another great book is borrowed world, same end result but a much simpler way for it to happen. Both books are audio gooks on audible, worth checking out, any good audio books for reccomendation?

I'm a wannabe author myself. every time I postulate something it gets shot to hades and back, then in 6 months it becomes a fact. I hope you don't get the same thing, it creeps me out! LOL I wrote one called "grid fried Friday" about hackers shutting down the world wide power grids and the ensuing mess that followed, it becomes more possible by the day!
Keep at it, post free ones. you'll get a fan base before long.

 

I'm sure there's some sort of 'kill switch' built into processors our military has procured from Chynaa and installed into our armed forces equipment. We've been sold out from the highest levels of our government for decades.

 

You do realize this was the plot of a video game right? but it wasn't Chynah, it was the Norks.

 

This one’s pretty interesting about how we manage to do ourselves in and the Russians and Chinese help out the American left:

Capitol Treason: Bolland, Richard Anton: 9798579617798: Amazon.com: Books

Capitol Treason [Bolland, Richard Anton] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Capitol Treason

www.amazon.com

 

Preparing for a EMP isnt a bad idea I just dont think that it would be a nation state that does it OR if they did it would be deniable. IE launched from a cargo ship off our coast. Its far easier to get a rocket to deliver a nuke for a EMP close to the US than it is a ICBM. That would be obvious as to who did it.

 

I agree it would be easy to track the source, however depending on the source they may not care? Think of suicide bombers.

 

nobody mentions the very real possibility of a Biden requesting UN and EU military assistance in a US Civil War - half the military refusing to become involved or just walking off the job - the other half using whatever means to kill off Americans that the Biden Potus declares "enemy" .....

 

According to my friend at the War College, the estimated percentage of military that would side with the Constitution WAS 50% five years ago. Now that number is considerably less.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(TV_series)

 

I will check it out, the colony (discovery version) was a great show it was also only 2 seasons.

 

The invasion Red Dawn style has been an over fantasized theory, just like nuclear war in my opinion.
Red dawn style: would never happen based on no military on the planet would want to tangle with the US then take what is left of their military and send them here to invade, even if it was possible they now have basically zero military left to not only defend their home, but defend and entire continent from every other country on earth wanting to take it over. Seems as close to impossible as one can get.

You discount the possibility of the "crazies" attacking, crazies defined as: N Korea, Islamic extremists including Iran, Pakistan and related groups. Logic doesn't apply with these people. Cargo ships with nuclear weapons or missiles to get some altitude over large coastal cities.

At some point the crazies will get one or more real nuclear weapon and they will use them. Israel and America are their favorite "devils" and they don't care about getting killed, Allah has promised them benefits.

Be Prepared !!!

 

You discount the possibility of the "crazies" attacking, crazies defined as: N Korea, Islamic extremists including Iran, Pakistan and related groups. Logic doesn't apply with these people. Cargo ships with nuclear weapons or missiles to get some altitude over large coastal cities.

At some point the crazies will get one or more real nuclear weapon and they will use them. Israel and America are their favorite "devils" and they don't care about getting killed, Allah has promised them benefits.

Be Prepared !!!

I don't discount that at all, I agree and have said as much in further comments from the original post.

I know this sounds lame, but get the audible book called Borrowed world, Chapter 1 of that book will blow your mind, how simple and how untraceable what your describing is to do, not an emp, think ww2 "technology" absolutely mind blowing how simple and plausible it would be and we would never know untill it happened. Thr after effects and the way it goes is what I like the book for. It's by Franklin Horton narrated by Kevin pierce. I'm a huge audio book fan, I have hundreds of them I listen to them as apposed to the radio, good stuff.

 

The invasion Red Dawn style has been an over fantasized theory, just like nuclear war in my opinion.
Red dawn style: would never happen based on no military on the planet would want to tangle with the US then take what is left of their military and send them here to invade, even if it was possible they now have basically zero military left to not only defend their home, but defend and entire continent from every other country on earth wanting to take it over. Seems as close to impossible as one can get.
Nuclear event: The us is literally the breadbasket for the world, providing better farm land then anywhere else on the planet the amount of crops we export to the globe is staggering. Add to that the hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland China has been buying at a premium for years. Anyone that would nuke us aside from retaliation, would put the entire globe into a state of mass starvation, and if it wasn't China have to answer to China for making the billions thay have spent on farmland over the years worthless to ever grow crops again. Seems logical to me.

What I believe is possible. EMP, or series of EMP's it is the best weapon of war against us. Think about it, no long term effects to the land for the occupying force, the rifles behind every blade of grass would go with 90-95% of the population in the first year from disease, starvation, murder, disentangle would take out atleast 50% of the population in the first 6 months. Its not that their military is better but someone has to run and maintain equipment, the number of deserting troops would be 70%+ they need to protect their family's just like you wouldn't show up to work either, same with law enforcement, etc. Then deduct those that would walk and wouldn't go along with the fema disarming crap that would take up another 5-10% so on a good day military a year after is functioning at 20%. Set of one or multiple EMP's and wait 1-2 years and then have their way.

This is my opinion of how it could become a reality. This is very similiar to the book called going home, another great book is borrowed world, same end result but a much simpler way for it to happen. Both books are audio gooks on audible, worth checking out, any good audio books for reccomendation?

I'm not trying to poke holes in your hypothesis and somewhat believe you are correct to a degree, but two things stick out.

The first is that if we were nuked, the land would still be able to be farmed. The reason I say this is twofold. First radioactive isotopes have something called a half life which determines the rate of decay for that isotope, thereby ensuring that it eventually would taper off to acceptable levels. The second is how much of this land is a direct nuclear target? Only ground zero and the immediate vicinity would be contaminated to the point that it would be unusable for the near future.

The second thing that you didn't take into account that the person who controls the nuclear football (from another country) may be mentally unstable. To an insane man the unthinkable sounds good. So he or they may decide to nuke us or try an invasion.

Do I believe it will happen? No. I believe the two possibilities I laid out above are extremely unlikely. We are more likely to have small terrorist groups with dirty bombs take out major metropolitan areas more than I believe a full scale nuclear exchange will happen, but I'm prepping for it jic.

 

I'm not trying to poke holes in your hypothesis and somewhat believe you are correct to a degree, but two things stick out.

The first is that if we were nuked, the land would still be able to be farmed. The reason I say this is twofold. First radioactive isotopes have something called a half life which determines the rate of decay for that isotope, thereby ensuring that it eventually would taper off to acceptable levels. The second is how much of this land is a direct nuclear target? Only ground zero and the immediate vicinity would be contaminated to the point that it would be unusable for the near future.

The second thing that you didn't take into account that the person who controls the nuclear football (from another country) may be mentally unstable. To an insane man the unthinkable sounds good. So he or they may decide to nuke us or try an invasion.

Do I believe it will happen? No. I believe the two possibilities I laid out above are extremely unlikely. We are more likely to have small terrorist groups with dirty bombs take out major metropolitan areas more than I believe a full scale nuclear exchange will happen, but I'm prepping for it jic.

Well said, I suppose I may have over stated my knowledge of nuclear war heads, however there has to be some kind of radious around a blast zone that is contaminated for years or atleast the soil is? Even if it made the land unfarmable for 5 years the globe would suffer mass casualties from starvation. Just from not being prepared for the net loss. Aside from that I personally believe China is too smart for an actual chance at a direct conflict not because they might lose but because of the number of people that would die. I believe emp is far more effective then cyberwar, and who's to say it has to be linked to China, if they were in bed with say Iran behind the scenes Iran does it, then takes the fall or if anyone does it for that matter, imo China is a far bigger threat then Russia.

 

If the USA runs short on food, it must be because our g'ment caused it to happen. This year the g'ment is paying farmers not to grow food/grains on 23 million acres of crop land. Our area receives about $100 per acre from the CRP program. And there is lots of other "farmable" land in addition that does not qualify for CRP.

 

If....when sounds more like it, fertilizer, diesel, and government incentive seem to be big motivators this year.

 

simply having a nuke isnt gonna cut it. you gotta get it up into the upper atmosphere.

 

I agree, however how long does it take a missle to make it 2-300 miles? Do we have the capibility of detecting, getting clearences and permissions to shoot it down if launched from a container ship in port? I question this, not saying not possible, but that is allot of moving parts that have to align in a matter of a minute or minutes.

 

Add to that the hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland China has been buying at a premium for years. Anyone that would nuke us aside from retaliation, would put the entire globe into a state of mass starvation, and if it wasn't China have to answer to China for making the billions they have spent on farmland over the years worthless to ever grow crops again. Seems logical to me.

Add to that the hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland China has been buying at a premium for years. Anyone that would nuke us aside from retaliation, would put the entire globe into a state of mass starvation, and if it wasn't China have to answer to China for making the billions they have spent on farmland over the years worthless to ever grow crops again. Seems logical to me.

Not just farm land, China has purchase other real estate to include some mining rights. I see another variation of Red Dawn.

It would take for a Balkanization of the US (a good probability on our current political trajectory), major depression that bankrupts the vast majority of Americans, corporations, businesses, etc. and either collapses our government or gives them an opportunity to “restore stability” through extreme measures and contributing to pockets of civil war.

Consider all that instability to China’s “investments”. With an administration like we currently have, I could easily see them giving China the green light to send forces to American soil to protect their investments. Red Dawn isn’t too far away from that point.

ROCK6

 

I belive China owns IBP Tyson fresh meats and also Smithfield farms, two very large pork and beef producers here.
I understand your point, I guess i could have worded the original post better, what I was trying to say in a nutshell is I do not believe we will have a traditional war coming anytime soon, I believe it will be something a bit more planned long term, where they don't have to risk there army or power to gain what they want that being control over the US. An EMP or a scenario like in the borrowed world book with a bit of global influence and with in a year most citizens would be a broken waste land begging for help.

 

Always sounds funny when people start talking about doomsday. The scenarios of invading militaries, EMP attacks, nuclear devastation etc. If covid taught us anything its that the end of the world will be brought about by something as simple as there being no supply of toilet paper.

 

The invasion Red Dawn style has been an over fantasized theory, just like nuclear war in my opinion.
Red dawn style: would never happen based on no military on the planet would want to tangle with the US then take what is left of their military and send them here to invade, even if it was possible they now have basically zero military left to not only defend their home, but defend and entire continent from every other country on earth wanting to take it over. Seems as close to impossible as one can get.

When America's leadership hates its own people and are in bed with the Chinese government (the source of much of their riches) then a foreign military may actually ally itself with a "woke" American military and see American patriots as "the enemy." Don't be surprised when you see a bunch of uniformed men with blue helmets roaming America's countryside in the not-too-distant-future.

 

Don't forget that those blue helmets make wonderful targets.

 

China owns about 30% of our bonds and paper. If they called that debt, we’ll be hungry for a short time, but I think we’ll prevail. It all depends on the leadership we have at the time.

 

Here's how I see it... Worst case scenario: If China, or any/all others call in the US debt, we'll simply run the printing presses non-stop and pay them off, as per contract, with (worthless because of how many we printed) paper dollars. Can you imagine a cargo plane full of $100 dollar bills, unloading at Shanghai airport, and other cities around the world at the same time? Now, every other country will do the same, so that cash money (currency) will be nothing more than toilet paper. That's why you should have some precious metals physically tucked away, not "certicates for". If you think that digital currency is any better, what happens when the grid goes down? How much wealth would you have if you can't get online, the government limits how much you can own or taxes your transactions, or China hacks the servers?

No country wants to see the "structure" of national wealth be destroyed, that's why they keep devising ways to extend the game of fiat currency, deficit spending, bailouts etc. Nobody wants to see the Emperor's New Clothes. Talk about your great reset... All nations will issue "new" money, probably backed by gold, which will supposedly have some real value, but they will start printing extra and devalue it's worth: it's just the nature of the beast... and so the game begins again.

The solution, if it does get that bad, is to store food, and necessities, raise a garden, learn a skill, like shoe making or carpentry. Simplify your life to where you need less to survive.

 

so ill ask the question that begs asking....How are yall preparing for this scenario?

 

I personally prepare for an emp as much as I can, reason being is the emp is an all encompassing event, it covers majority of issues, kind of like an umbrella

 

so for fun lets assume for a minute that the OP's scenario does happen. A pre invasion EMP is used to soften up the US and prep the battlefield. Lets also assume that the US .gov doesn't retaliate.. What are the base level skills and materials one would need to survive this?.. I almost shouldn't ask this because the scenario is the grand daddy of all preparedness scenarios and requires every skillset in our community but just for fun lets go down that road. I think it should be broken down into two events, surviving the EMP event and the knock on effects of that and then the invasion..

 

I'm a huge fan of the audio books I have mentioned a couple times here. I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but listening to a story and the trials and tribulations others go through has made me make allot of changes to my preps. I have made many lists of things to add to or change in my preps from audio books. It resignates in my mind differently then listening to an a 1, 2, 3, type list or book.
One thing worth noting I'm willing to bet you never thought of, this was from a different book but a great scenario either way. If you live anywhere near a major city, what will you do when the PETA nuts "free" the animals from the zoo? Walking down the road and a Lion jumps out, seriously worth considering, those are some of the craziest people on the planet, guaranteed the zoo animals will be set free.
In regards to you post, civil war type survival scenario over 620,000 troops died, less then 1/3 were from bullets, disease, malnutrition will make our first world fragile body's weak and susceptible to all different kinds of disease that we have never dealt with here. Yes there's the sexy dying in a gun fight saving a bus load of kids, but face it realistically statistically your are much more likely to die from disease or diarrhea.

 

I would have liked to see a larger number of Marines across multiple MOS as opposed to just a bunch of 0311's...Not that I have anything against trigger pullers, nothing could be further from the truth but a diversity in MOS would have been helpful