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I live in CA, and the AR rules are ridiculous annoying :mad: and they only good AR's left are $$$. My family doesn't have alot of money right now so I'm trying to find a cheaper substitute for an AR legal in CA. Thanks
 

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Not keeping up on California's laws, I couldn't tell you make or model, but I would start at your local gun shop, they can show models, prices and guide you through the process there.

Some of the options you may have to consider will be less rugged, have less parts and accessories available but can still give yeoman service.

Last I knew, the Ruger Mini Thirty was legal there and someone was making 10 round mags for it. You ever escape, you could get higher capacity mags for it.

The 10 round AK's are ok but fixing them later is more of a challenge, one of those, I'd sell or trade before moving away.

If I lived more suburban than urban, one of the older Marlin 1894 .357's would do nicely. The Remington 7615 might also be an option especially if you can get some pre ban mags for it.

Some of the other pistol caliber carbines may work for you, depending on your choice of handguns.

Look around you never know what might pop up.
Just remember DiFi and company may pull another fast one and what was legal one day may not be the next.

P.S. You may want a moderator to move this to the firearms section.
 

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I have made the switch from AR to AK. After many years of building, shooting, training on the AR platform I came to the realization that you get way more for less money with the AK. In California the M92 PAP AK Pistol can still be had. For how long no one knows but these little AK are perfect for urban type ops IMO. I just picked one up last week for $576 OTD.

http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-zastava...ttern,-7.62x39,-wood-stock,-new.-p-57965.html
 

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I have made the switch from AR to AK. After many years of building, shooting, training on the AR platform I came to the realization that you get way more for less money with the AK. In California the M92 PAP AK Pistol can still be had. For how long no one knows but these little AK are perfect for urban type ops IMO. I just picked one up last week for $576 OTD.

http://www.jgsales.com/yugo-zastava...ttern,-7.62x39,-wood-stock,-new.-p-57965.html
BTW, I didn't order this online. I purchased it locally, over the counter + the ten day waiting period.
 

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A shotgun, especiallya qquality semi-auto although there's no refuting the inherent reliability of a pump (which is why I love my M3 Super 90's, best of both), can give you more versatile firepower than just about anything else that isn't measured in 10's of mm diameter. From quad-0 and 00 or #4 Buck to the many different types of birdshot, rifled slugs, sabot slugs, potentially less-lethal rounds, and the fact that you can load the weapon exactly as needed (ie 2-3 compressed sintered metal/copper powder breaching "slugs" followed by buck). Oh, and one big thing that I was trained to do is to always, always take advantage of any lull to top of the tank; unlike magazine fed weapons, you are able to reload constantly whenever you are not actively engaged, so going into a room/etc you will ideally always have a full tube.

I live in a suburban area myself, and if the need to disable a hostile vehicle presented itself, I would pass over my 338LM and grab a 12GA with some hefty slugs. I don't think I would be able to hit anything accurately, well, not any more than "frontal area hit", but with 8 3" sabot/rifled slugs into the engine bay, I think you would have to be really unlucky not to damage something or another.


Otherwise, I can see the utility in having a medium-length barrel bolt action, although Kali likely doesn't allow for suppressors(?)... A 700 action in an AICS or McMillan stock, 3-9x optic, 16" floated bull barrel threaded, and chambered for 300BLK would give you the ability to remain very quiet if needed, but a magazine change has you firing supersonic rounds that, while still a bit quieter with a can, trade that whisper silence for a significant amount of impact energy.

I think that in a situation like mine, at least (suburban, town on edge of 1mil plus pop city), quiet and out of sight is a far better approach than Rambo-ing it up...
 

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I'm not 100% sure on Cali law, but can't you get an unconverted Saiga or VEPR and then use 10rd detachable mags without the stupid bullet button. I don't thin the VEPRs require the conversion. I would convert them to run 10rd AK mags instead of Saiga 10rd mags. So theoretically if SHTF or California become a law abiding state again you don't have to go through the hassle then. I'd go with 7.62x39 for cost and mag availability, mostly mag availability.

I'm an AR guy through and through(still want an AK though:D:) but if I were in cali I think I'd go with something AK based if my assumptions on the laws are correct.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/M-47US10.html

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/california-legal.html

I'm guessing they will convert everything to on that list to cali legal. I'd give them a call and see what they can do for you. An SKS would be the cheapest option for you, but it is kind of cumbersome compared to a 16inch saiga or VEPR. Their prices are great!

A Mossberg MVP in 5.56 or 308 would be a good affordable choice if you can live with a bolt gun. The 5.56 take AR15 mags making it very versatile.
 

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I live in CA, and the AR rules are ridiculous annoying
That's putting it gently! I would've said something along the lines of, "the AR rules are anti-constitutional, socialist-driven agenda of the government centralizing gun ownership so they can increase their control over the people.":D:

What I know of Cali law, is that it has to be no more with ten rounds with a mag that can't detach. I may be wrong on that, but if that is the law, and you wanted a rifle, I'd go with a good military surplus. SKS was suggested earlier. I'd try to get maybe an M1 garand or some good bolt action rifles like a 1903 or 1917 or a Mosin, the Mosin being the cheapest, for now, of all of those.
 

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A Mini-30/14, or an SKS depending on your budget. I'd avoid anything AK until commiefornia stops being stupid. Who knows what new laws they might think up.

If you ever move away you can get 20 and 30 round magazines for the Minis. The SKS typically doesn't have removable mags without some kind of modification.

The SKS is half the price of a Mini, but the Mini has a lifetime warranty and has a stainless steel option. Get the newest 580+ series if you get a mini.

Both will give you reliability and accuracy in the 200-yard-and-under ranges of an urban environment.
 

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I have a Remington 7615 I really like. It's accurate, reliable, and points real natural like a shotgun for me. I also have an AR and for home defense I'd prefer it. With the 7615 I can get the first shot off quicker and more accurate, but semi-auto is faster to make the second, third hit.

Lever carbines would be a good fit as others have mentioned. They are slower to load than a SKS with stripper clips or detachable magazines.

In your shoes I'd get a Ruger Mini 14 or 30.
 

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Thank you all, right now I'm looking at either a remington 870, sks+mosin, or save up for a mini 14. The mini 14 would take a while to save up for but may be better long term. Thanks for all of the advice guys I appreciate it
 

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Guess I'm too late to the conversation, but I'd recommend an Auto-Ordnance M1 Carbine clone with 10-round magazines.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...California+Approved+.30+Carbine+Rifle+wWalnut

Or a Marlin .45 Colt lever action with full power loads
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...s_id/19519/Marlin+1894CB45+45+LC+COWBY+20+WAL

Or a Browning BLR .308 or .30-'06
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/33006/Browning+BLR+81+30-06
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...2897/Browning+BLR+Lightweight+81+308+Win+20in

Just my opinion.
 

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I have to question why folks think (urban) survival = AR or AK?

who are you going to shoot? Do you realize that as soon as you shoot somebody, you won't ever be able to sleep again, 'cause ALL their homeys are going to make it their purpose in life to kill you and burn down your house.

Imo, survival means to survive. Get with a group and keep the guns on the down low. Use slingshots and bows and arrows. A handgun is more practical and can be concealed.
 
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