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This post is in response to a previous thread to show you can find documentation to counter almost any study. It is actually an interesting read though.

Total Deficit Created by Illegals. If the estimated net fiscal drain of $2,736 a year that each illegal household imposes on the federal treasury is multiplied by the nearly three million illegal households, the total cost comes to $10.4 billion a year. Whether one considers this to be a large sum or not is, of course, a matter of perspective. But, this figure is unambiguously negative and certainly not trivial. It is also worth remembering that these figures are only for the federal government and do not include any costs at the state or local level, where the impact is likely to be significant

http://www.cis.org/node/54#balance
 

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Back in 2004 mexifornia estimated the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year. wonder what it is now???

fascinating chart at this link...

http://immigrationcounters.com/

sure costs a lot to keep them... so it would be cheaper to boot their collective butts out of the nation...
 

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Yes I would call $10.4 billion a year a large sum. I could sure create a lot of jobs with it.
 

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Total Deficit Created by Illegals. If the estimated net fiscal drain of $2,736 a year that each illegal household imposes on the federal treasury is multiplied by the nearly three million illegal households, the total cost comes to $10.4 billion a year.
Dang ... where are Blackkitty and Bikerdruid? ? ?

Don't you know that they more than make up for it with the taxes they pay when they purchase alcohol and cigarettes?
 

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look at number three on the OP list article

With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services
 

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look at number three on the OP list article

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With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services


so what it the problem??? We as americans are supposed to just look the other way because many of them have no education???

So what...Since when is it our responsibility to educate them..they are criminals and they broke the law to get here.... so why should I feel sorry for them... They are using the very money that ought to be going for the american children to learn... We spend so much money on the illegals that it stinks...and yet our children and our elderly and our vets go without...and i am supposed to feel sorry for their lack of education??? Not a ****ing chance in hell am I going to feel sorry for them...at all.. :mad:

where is the justice in that???

Low tax payments.... they pay no taxes yet they send nearly 30 billion dollars a year to mexico... and they pay no taxes on a cent of it...

And as i said in another post... who forced them to come here illegally???
 

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the entire problem is not these illegals its the already created social entitlement programs in the USA, get rid of those entitlement programs and you solve these deficits

damn near impossible because so many of the people here think they are entitled to all that crap... but I agree with you.

You get nothing unless you work for it...and I told a kid the other day that the world still needs hamburger flippers and he was not worth 65,000 a year....and I refused to hire him.

And he had the balls to tell me that he was entitled to good pay and that even though he did not have the training I was needing, I should hire him for that wage... I told him 9 dollars an hour to start and if he proved himself he would be promoted and brought up just like everyone else.... He said good and he did not show up for work the next day.... so **** on him and the horse he rode in on...

I think Lewis Nappier sums it up right with this little diddy

Bill of No Rights
By Lewis Napper

We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden, delusional and other liberal, commie, pinko bedwetters.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.

ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen color TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.

ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone—not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.

ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.

ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we’re just not interested in public health care.

ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don’t be surprised if the rest of us get together and kill you.

ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don’t be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won’t have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure.

ARTICLE VIII: You don’t have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won’t lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you’d like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and funny hat.

ARTICLE IX: You don’t have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.

ARTICLE X: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness—which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
 

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So what it the problem??? We as Americans are supposed to just look the other way because many of them have no education???
I never suggested that, I was merely pointing out one of the undying reasons.

So what...Since when is it our responsibility to educate them..they are criminals and they broke the law to get here.... so why should I feel sorry for them... They are using the very money that ought to be going for the american children to learn... We spend so much money on the illegals that it stinks...and yet our children and our elderly and our vets go without...and i am supposed to feel sorry for their lack of education??? Not a ****ing chance in hell am I going to feel sorry for them...at all.. :mad:
I never suggested anyone feel sorry for them, and in regards to all that money that should be going to vets, and the elderly, you need to be upset with your government they are the ones misusing those funds.

they send nearly 30 billion dollars a year to mexico... and they pay no taxes on a cent of it...
That number that was quoted was money going into Mexico by ALL Mexicans not just illegal’s, and it’s their money so what they do with it ids their business.

Many people don't think federal income tax is legal and are fighting it through a grass roots effort, which i find ironic because so many people are upset illegals don't pay income tax when they work under the table.
 

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I never suggested that, I was merely pointing out one of the undying reasons.


I never suggested anyone feel sorry for them, and in regards to all that money that should be going to vets, and the elderly, you need to be upset with your government they are the ones misusing those funds.



That number that was quoted was money going into Mexico by ALL Mexicans not just illegal’s, and it’s their money so what they do with it ids their business.

Many people don't think federal income tax is legal and are fighting it through a grass roots effort, which i find ironic because so many people are upset illegals don't pay income tax when they work under the table.

maybe you didn't but you were really fast in pointing that item out... so what is a person to think...???

The government has been waylaid by the programs that assist the illegals in many different ways and the money that is, or ought to be going to where it is needed is going to the very illegals they are scared to bounce out of here...and that is fact... and as far as me being upset with the govt.... more than you will ever know...indeed more than you will ever know.:mad:

Yes, it is their money...but they are not paying taxes and i really do not care about the grass root outfits that are not wanting to pay taxes... they have to and it is law... but that might be one of those laws you don't like ;)
 

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See that's my entire philosophy in a nut shell


No one has ever handed me a thing...I grew up understanding what work is and what it can reward you with...nothing is free..and yet there are ignorant people out here that seem to think they are entitled to what I have earned...

These little pee ants have nothing coming from me...

hard work, honesty and a good work ethic is a major key... The people that work for me all get treated the same, I pay for the medical benefits for full coverage for that person and their families.. I also cover same sex couples.
I provde a damn good and safe environment for my people to work in, they get some unreal employee benefits and they get huge bonuses at the end of every year...This year has been rough but I have not had to lay anyone off, and i will be damned if I would want to...I offer every one of them weapons training and mountain classes in staying alive when it all falls, and I do it for free... I do that because they are all damn fine people, and I care about every one of them.

All I have ever told the people that "work with me" that an honest days work and you get an honest days wages... and I believe that if you provide the best you can for your people then when you need help..they are right there, and that has been proven time and again...

damn shame the corporate world cannot see that...perhaps they can and do not want to...or they just do not care. That also could go for the politicians...
 

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See Cowboy I am against all entitlement programs even for the people in the USA who pay into them. There is not one program that is truly needed for freeloaders.

I am against the Federal government and hold a very high contempt for all members of the Federal Government and their evil ways. It’s nothing but a joke

As for paying Federal Income Taxes, I have a relative that died in prison because he refused to pay the feds any income tax. I respect him for standing up for his beliefs even if he died in federal prison as a criminal for his convictions. This also indicates that the federal government holds the people as slaves. Either do what they want or get punished.

It’s really simple for me pull your own weight or get off the ride.
 

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See Cowboy I am against all entitlement programs even for the people in the USA who pay into them. There is not one program that is truly needed for freeloaders.

I am against the Federal government and hold a very high contempt for all members of the Federal Government and their evil ways. It’s nothing but a joke

As for paying Federal Income Taxes, I have a relative that died in prison because he refused to pay the feds any income tax. I respect him for standing up for his beliefs even if he died in federal prison as a criminal for his convictions. This also indicates that the federal government holds the people as slaves. Either do what they want or get punished.

It’s really simple for me pull your own weight or get off the ride.
I believe that there are some departments / issues that should be funded by an income tax, though I don't feel this way concerning the vast magority of programs.

Seems like they have a way of twisting everything. Like Bush's tax cuts for example. They say that was just a "program" so it doesn't make any difference if that is just allowed to expire.
 

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Bush was every bit as much a progressive socialist as any other modern President except Reagan. He created the latest entitlement program, after all. His 'tax cuts' weren't made permanent. Had he taken a stand, they would have been. The problem is that for every Reagan, there are a dozen dozens of crap bags like Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Conyers, Schumer, Clinton (either one), etc. It's a losing battle, we've lost the Republic, and what's actually going on now is either a slow crash or the calm before the storm. We'll see.
 
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Funny how the article claims illegals are getting SS (requires verification), Medicaid/Medicare (requires verification...only emergency care provided to illegals) and unemployment (requires EAD)...none of which illegals can get (except emergency care). They report that the children born in the US are a drain since they are using schools and programs...but yet don't factor in the taxes paid by these children when they get older and are of working age as some have already done...like Ben Fernandez who became a millionaire and the first Hispanic ever to run for President.

the same is not true for Social Security and Medicare. We estimate that illegal households create a combined net benefit for these two programs in excess of $7 billion a year, accounting for about 4 percent of the total annual surplus in these two programs.
^^At least they were honest and admitted that illegals added a surplus to SS and Medicare. Too bad they don't add state sales taxes and sin taxes.
 
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