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If a State or Group of States withdrew from the Union and set up a strictly constitutionallly based government.

One based exactly on what our forefathers set up.

Would you leave your area and move there?

Also, what do you think the federal government would do?

And which state or what area do you think it would be?
 

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If a State or Group of States withdrew from the Union and set up a strictly constitutionallly based government.

One based exactly on what our forefathers set up.

Would you leave your area and move there?

Also, what do you think the federal government would do?

And which state or what area do you think it would be?
There are over 25 secessionist movements operating in North America right now. Chattanooga, TN was the site of the 2nd annual North American Secession Conference in 2008 and the one in 2007.

That conference was hosted by the League of the South. At both those conferences there were representatives from various secessionist movements from Hawaii, Alaska, California, Vermont, Native American tribes and all the Southern states.

The first area most likely to secede will be the proposed Nation of Atzlan in the Southwest but it won't be set up like our forefathers set things up.

The second will probably be Hawaii as they have a pretty strong independence movement.

Vermont is humming along pretty well and I believe the 3rd annual secession conference might be held in that state.

Probably the largest and most active secessionist movement which meets the criterion you described is being carried out in the Southern states. This coming weekend, the 5th and 6th of December will see the first meeting of the Southern National Congress in Hendersonville, TN. Delegates from 13 Southern states will be present. There they will vote on documents they have drafted which will be sent to the President of the US, all members of Congress and the legislatures of the several southern states. These documents deal with unjust wars and out of control immigration and their impact on the South and her people.

The League of the South, mentioned above, is the premier secessionist organization in North America which seeks a return to a Constitutional Union of sovereign states as envisioned by our revolutionary forefathers.

If they and the Southern National Congress are successful, than I don't have to move anywhere 'cause I'll already be in an area free from the dictates of Washington, DC.
 

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I think that would be great, but it will never happen.

Not sure if I could up and move without a plan and if it was say California (as if) no way would I move there.

The federal govt already is trying to presure states into the national ID when they clearly dont want it. They have already threatened to take away freedom to travel and next they will probably withhold federal aid money for those states who dont comply.

Its all an allusion that the states have any power at all, just like its an allusion that we live in a democracy. When the federal govt decides to put their foot down state by state they are slowly chipping away.(example, forced vaccinations. before long no state will have religious or personal exemption)
 

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I think that would be great, but it will never happen.

Not sure if I could up and move without a plan and if it was say California (as if) no way would I move there.

The federal govt already is trying to presure states into the national ID when they clearly dont want it. They have already threatened to take away freedom to travel and next they will probably withhold federal aid money for those states who dont comply.

Its all an allusion that the states have any power at all, just like its an allusion that we live in a democracy. When the federal govt decides to put their foot down state by state they are slowly chipping away.(example, forced vaccinations. before long no state will have religious or personal exemption)
All the reasons you listed and a million more are exactly why one or more states WILL secede in the future.

Nobody thought the Iron Curtain was going to fall either but it did. Map makers are having a hard time keeping up with the political changes around the world. As soon as they make one world map it is outdated by new upheavels. Devolution of governments is the current trend rather than Empires. The US and Canada will eventually break up into more manageable, citizen-friendly regional governments just as has every other artificial national entity throughout history.

It doesn't matter whether we like the idea or not. Such things just happen.
 

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If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB
 

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If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB
but be sure to leave your arms back home...
 

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To believe that our Federal Government would put up with the idea without using troops to kill millions is ludicrous.

That's what Honest Abe was all about: the abolition of states' rights.
That's what Honest Abe's Republican Party was all about for the last 143 years, abolition of states' rights.

As for US troops killing millions, I guess it all depends on where their loyalties eventually lie. Will they lie with their home states? Will they be loyal to the Constitution or an anti-Constitutional government?

If the secessionist states are, again, the Southern states a lot has changed militarily in the last 100 years. The military balance of power now lies in the South with the vast majority of military production being centered in 3 Southern states: Texas, Florida and Virginia. Most of the important military bases are located in the South including most of the basic training schools for all the primary MOS's. Most of the most capable and important military units are located in the South.

The martial spirit is centered in the South. While the South only makes up 1/3rd of the US population it is over represented in all branches of the service.

Things are different this go around. There might actually be a chance to see limited Constitutional government in our life time.
 

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If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB

Thanks for the offer, but out of respect for my dead ancestors who fought to create this once fine country, I think I'll stay and fight, too. ;)
 

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If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB
I don't mind England, nice place to visit. However, my ancestors were adventurers who fought and died to create the nation I live in. I will not leave the US, I will just work to return it what our founders intended it to be. Besides, with the UK already pretty much having banned all firearms and sounding like they want to register and serial number knives, I'd rather live in an unstable south american dictatorship than there. But again, nice place to visit, I just won't live there.

--Wintermute
 

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If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB
LOL are you being serious? How do you like your cameras over there? That place is worse than the states. No thanks. I'll stay here and defend the Republic.
 

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If a state decides to secede, and the US goes to war with them, I will sign up to serve my country.

We are the United States of America, keyword is UNITED.

I took an oath once and I still believe in that oath.
What, to fire on your fellow country men, even if they are to fight against tyranny?
 

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What, to fire on your fellow country men, even if they are to fight against tyranny?
Our country is great because we are united. I do not consider a state that betrays this country to be "my fellow countrymen".

How is it that people are so eager to separate from our great nation? It's like the sullen child that wants to take his ball home and leave the game just because he doesn't get his way.
 

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If a state decides to secede, and the US goes to war with them, I will sign up to serve my country.

We are the United States of America, keyword is UNITED.

I took an oath once and I still believe in that oath.
If you took an oath you took an oath to uphold and defend the "Constitution" of the United States. Not the United States. If the United States is using the Constitution for toilet paper what are you going to serve? The Constitution or the United States?

Actually, the key word should be States. It was States that created the compact and decided to unite.

Below are some fine words to remember.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
 

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Our country is great because we are united. I do not consider a state that betrays this country to be "my fellow countrymen".

How is it that people are so eager to separate from our great nation? It's like the sullen child that wants to take his ball home and leave the game just because he doesn't get his way.
What about a country that betrays its States and people???

I have taken the oath to serve too and would not hesitate to join in Defending the Constitution of the United States. Do you not understand that people are fed up with the Govt' not representing them??!?!?!?! You do realize that was the reason for the Revolution and one of the reasons for the Civil War!?!?!?! Right???
If the Govt did the above that would be no problem.

im sure you are one of those who has been brainwashed by the school system into believing that the Civil War was about Slavery and those Evil Southerners who owned them.
 

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I do believe that states could leave the Union and not face a reprisal. I do think that the Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia would NOT be one invited to join the southern confederation of states. I think that North Koreafornia...err... Kalifornia would have to go it alone because nobody else would want to have their socialist policies hampering the smoother operation of a confederation. From Missouri west down to Nevada would be states that would go with a confederation like the old Confederacy of the Civil War.
 
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