Not a rant really...I buy very little meat from stores now days...I got a new batch of free range chickens and i got my eggs, buy raw milk and make our own butter, and i eat alot of fish and wild game....

I have no qualms about animals and decent treatment... but i will be damned if some fed or some jackass from peta or another of those groups is gonna dictate what i can and cannot do....

 

Yea I can't stand PETA.
They actually put down a lot of animals.

I don't trust the free range label. All it means is that the chickens are guranteed a certain amount of fresh air and sunshine

 

I don't trust the free range label. All it means is that the chickens are guranteed a certain amount of fresh air and sunshine

Actually all free range means is the door is left open and they can get out if they choose. If the coop isn't crowded and they have feed/water inside they will often stay inside.

I am a hunter and a farmer and I believe in treating animals humanely. That means if something needs to be put down I do it as painlessly as possible. I don't believe that a vet or game warden can put an animal down quicker or more humane than I can. I have seen animals suffer too long waiting for an "official" to put down an animal.

In regards to Dark Blues comments. While I too don't care for factory farming there are some errors in what you wrote.

-Male chicks are mostly deemed useless by the poultry industry. They are either gassed, or ground alive.

That might be the case with laying breeds, but meat breeds roosters grow faster and are more valuable than the hen.

-Chicks are also debeaked (to keep the chicks from pecking each other) most of the time these de beakings lead to infections and the inability to properly feed or water itself
I have had to debeak birds when they get to pecking. As far as I can tell if you do it right, it doesn't even hurt them. Like cutting a toenail and they eat just fine. They just can't bite flesh off one another.

-sows are caged seperately from their piglets and the piglets are forced to feed through bars of a cage
If you let the 5lb piglet in with the 400lb sow she will lay on and kill a lot of the babies. Even free range pigs all off by their lonesome can end up killing all but one or two babies. I've seen it more than once.

-most conditions are extremely cramped where a lot of animals are underfed and either end up dead or extremely malnourished
Think about this. This is how they make their money. If you don't make a good product no one will by it. This statement is patently false.

-the industry killing standards are ****. Most of the time they miss their mark and it gets messy
I have only been in one commercial slaughter plant. They killed a steer every 45 seconds. There was no time for screw-ups. It was done right and fast.

Come to think of it, the most mal treated animals I have ever seen belonged to animal hoarders.

Growing up on and arounds farms I agree. We don't mistreat our animals for a reason, we eat them and sell them. We don't want bruised or mistreated meat any more than anybody else. A clearly abused animal won't bring near as much at market.

Raised on a farm and selling animals for money I learned at a young age animals have jobs just as well as we do.
The dog goes deaf it can't protect, gets retired. Hopefully given away but being put down if we have to.
The milk cow stops giving milk, its the meat cow.
A fat pig killing its litter is only eating food and about to be food.
Chickens peaking each other get their beaks trimmed, roosting in trees where we can't protect them they get their wings cut.

Sometimes the things done seem extreme unless you know why. Listening to the one sided nutcases even stuff you do cane be turned to evil. Real farmers that make a living off their animals aren't gonna mistreat them.

 

I think a lot of hunters and fishermen (gender indiscriminate) are basically supporters of wild life, and animals in general. Most people who love the outdoors and the oceans are conservationists of one sort or another. No sane person wants to see animals tortured, killed illegally, or abused.

That said, there are rational ways to advocate on behalf of animals, and then there are folks who burn down buildings and stalk people on behalf of animals. PETA takes things too far IMHO.

 

Not just basic supporters, we are the supporters. The money from our licenses, duck stamps, etc, is what primarily pays for wetlands and animal habitat.

Yes I hunt, and shoot what I use. However in saying that, nothing bothers me more than the occassional time that I shoot a deer, it fails, but doesn't instantly die. Yes that tears me up everytime. I can assure you it doesn't suffer long.

 

I am for responsible resource management I am not going to say I am for animal rights or whatnot but I believe in doing things myself so that I am able to maintain how things are treated

 

Uncontaminated meat and dairy products ARE out there, you just have to put a little more effort out to find them. I got lucky, I was buying eggs from a guy who sent me to a guy with goats, poultry and rabbits butchered to order. This was the first thanksgiving I ever had fresh domestic turkey. Still can't find a source for raw milk, but we drink very little. Beef comes from my brothers ranch, but we don't eat much beef either.
I consider myself and animal right supporter, but the people at PETA are nuts.

 

I am a hunter but i LOVE my lab [LUCAS} and my old cat and old horses. I have killed alot of critters in my life. When i was younger i had the blood lust had to get the most and the biggest. As i grew older i came to understand that all critters wild or domestic are important liveing breathing beings. When i take ones life i thank the creator and the critter. To some this will be a big joke. I have learned alot in old age. NO CRITTERS should suffer needlessly.I really feel HUNTING is the most humane [IF DONE THE RIGHT WAY] way of takeing an animals life. mega farms that produce millions of tons of meat and fish and poultry are needed to feed the public. BUT they are a CRUEL EVIL place for the critters that are there. NOT something that we should be proud of. JMO

 

I am a hunter and a farmer and I believe in treating animals humanely. That means if something needs to be put down I do it as painlessly as possible. I don't believe that a vet or game warden can put an animal down quicker or more humane than I can. I have seen animals suffer too long waiting for an "official" to put down an animal.

In regards to Dark Blues comments. While I too don't care for factory farming there are some errors in what you wrote.

-Male chicks are mostly deemed useless by the poultry industry. They are either gassed, or ground alive.

That might be the case with laying breeds, but meat breeds roosters grow faster and are more valuable than the hen.

-Chicks are also debeaked (to keep the chicks from pecking each other) most of the time these de beakings lead to infections and the inability to properly feed or water itself
I have had to debeak birds when they get to pecking. As far as I can tell if you do it right, it doesn't even hurt them. Like cutting a toenail and they eat just fine. They just can't bite flesh off one another.

-sows are caged seperately from their piglets and the piglets are forced to feed through bars of a cage
If you let the 5lb piglet in with the 400lb sow she will lay on and kill a lot of the babies. Even free range pigs all off by their lonesome can end up killing all but one or two babies. I've seen it more than once.

-most conditions are extremely cramped where a lot of animals are underfed and either end up dead or extremely malnourished
Think about this. This is how they make their money. If you don't make a good product no one will by it. This statement is patently false.

-the industry killing standards are ****. Most of the time they miss their mark and it gets messy
I have only been in one commercial slaughter plant. They killed a steer every 45 seconds. There was no time for screw-ups. It was done right and fast.

Come to think of it, the most mal treated animals I have ever seen belonged to animal hoarders.

 

Another thing it really ****es me off when people disregard the feelings of animals just to feed their fat face. I usually get "well animals don't have feelings". Even if that's so I honestly and firmly believe in that if its alive, it should be treated with respect.

Anybody that truly believes animals don't have feelings, is an IDIOT! Anybody that truly believes animals don't have feelings, is a human sorely lacking in compassion.

 

Anybody that truly believes animals don't have feelings, is an IDIOT! Anybody that truly believes animals don't have feelings, is a human sorely lacking in compassion.:mad:

compassion is for the weak

it is the fate of the weak to perish at the hands of the strong this is the way of tnature it is brutal and has no room for the weak.

sadly the compassionate members of society continually find ways to keep the weak around when it only serves to weaken us as a species

 

And there you go calling everybody that doesnt agree with you an idiot. Way to keep a civil conversation going.

Classy...not

 

does not appear that anyone asked your opinion on that issue now does it ...idiot!!!

 

I have a personal deep respect for nature and wildlife conservation is my field. That said I also recognize the natural way of Earth's food web. Every living creature faces a harsh end to its life. That is a reality. Hunting is far more humane than *most* meat farming. Hunters and fisherman actually fund the lion share of conservation and protection of our wildlife.

The farming of meat food, in many cases not all, creates entire lifespans of suffering. There are humane methods in use by many, but it's not as "efficient". In a world where people pick up meat at the store with no concern to where it comes from, inhumane methods persist because it results in a cheaper product. To me this is a symptom of a larger problem.

In the big picture, this stems from humanity far overgrowing its place on the numbers pyramid. Naturally, the apex consumers are the fewest in number. This governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics as energy moves through the system. In order to maintain our bloated population and carnivorous existence, the mass farming of protein is necessary and this creates weird and grotesque methods. Doesn't have to be that way.

When people are self sustaining it's much easier to do it in a humane way. Doesn't mean everyone will. That will always come down to personal ethics and one's respect for other living creatures. There are and always will be many individuals who find pleasure in suffering.

 

I have a personal deep respect for nature and wildlife conservation is my field. That said I also recognize the natural way of Earth's food web. Every living creature faces a harsh end to its life. That is a reality. Hunting is far more humane than *most* meat farming. Hunters and fisherman actual fund the lion share of conservation and protection of our wildlife.

The farming of meat food, in many cases not all, creates entire lifespans of suffering. There are humane methods in use by many, but it's not as "efficient". In a world where people pick up meat at the store with no concern to where it comes from, inhumane methods persist because it results in a cheaper product. To me this is a symptom of a larger problem.

In the big picture, this stems from humanity far overgrowing its place on the numbers pyramid. Naturally, the apex consumers are the fewest in number. This governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics as energy moves through the system. In order to maintain our bloated population and carnivorous existence, the mass farming of protein is necessary and this creates weird and grotesque methods. Doesn't have to be that way.

When people are self sustaining it's much easier to do it in a humane way. Doesn't mean everyone will. That will always come down to personal ethics and one's respect for other living creatures. There are and always will be many individuals who find pleasure in suffering.

Well said, sir.

 

Not a rant, just a recitation of facts. Animals do indeed have feelings, including pain. Read the book "The Secret Life of Dogs". It's a real eye-opener.

 

There is a great documentary out there called: "Why dogs smile, and chimpanzees cry." I believe it's available on Netflix. It is excellent.

 

I enjoy watching wild life, and I enjoy eating wild life. I don't think animals have "rights".

 

When I was in high school I shot a deer... the deer fell... then jumped up and ran.. I shot it again.... I tracked it for several hundred yards..as i was slowly walking up... it jumped up again...I shot it... it ran... this went on for what seemed like forever... When I finally got up to it and it could not longer run and was just laying there bleating (crying) in pain... I felt like crap and had compassion... I Shot it and killed it... and my family ate.

Today with the exception of porcupine and coyotes I will not shoot anything I do not eat

 

Today with the exception of porcupine and coyotes I will not shoot anything I do not eat

I've heard of tag sandwiches but never target stew:upsidedown:

 

I hate to even eat store turkey and chicken. Its horrible. My chickens are in a pen but they get fresh hay to eat and grain, in the summer they get all the weeds they can eat. Talk about good tasting eggs! Farm fresh is best!

 

Another thing it really ****es me off when people disregard the feelings of animals just to feed their fat face. I usually get "well animals don't have feelings". Even if that's so I honestly and firmly believe in that if its alive, it should be treated with respect.

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Maybe it's certain people who don't have feelings.

 

I think animals should be housed as comfortably and spaciously as possible. I do not think that the should be inhumanely treated or abused in any way.

It's obvious that they, at least the mammals, have emotional 'feelings' on some level. Whether that's the same 'feelings' that we as humans experience can be argued forever.

They are, however, still animals. They are not human, and to say that they should have 'rights' puts us on a VERY slippery slope that no one knows where it will take us. PETA just tried to sue Sea World on behalf of the Orcas there, claiming the 13th Amendment forbidding slavery applied to the whales. Thankfully, a judge threw it out before it went anywhere, BUT that's what's going to happen when we try to give animals 'rights'.

They SHOULD be humanely treated and cared for properly, but they have the RIGHT to nothing.

 

Don't really know that this is a rant - or that this qualifies you as an "animal rights" activist. Just a normal human being. Most of the people who I consider to be "animal rights advocates" are people who advocate giving human rights to animals.

 

Just off base a bit. There is a difference between Animal Welfare and Animal Rights. If you talk to a PETA person, when they speak of animal rights its from the standpoint that animals lives are equal to humans. When asked if a person and an animal were drowning and you could only save one -- which would you save? The answer was, "I don't know" That's just plain sick.

 

hunters are always support the wild life animals but one think is the important which is that some peoples like this but some people always thought that the animals are killed illegal.so every person has its own thinking.

 

An animal has the "right" to feed, shelter, cloth, or work for humans. When I need one of these things from an animal that usually means something has to die. If the animals soul purpose in life is to work and it does not then it will die. I will not feed an animal that does not or will not serve these purposes.

A slaughter house is just that and as much as we may want it to be filled with butterflies and bright morning sunshine so every animal simply goes to sleep and never wakes up.... that's simply not the case. They are bloody, loud, foul smelling places of death and in order to feed the masses they must be fast and sometimes not always painless.

That's not to say that I don't have compassion for animals because I do. I try to make every death as quick and painless for any animal that I kill. I know that an animal feels pain and have some form of feelings.

 

Me Too!

I am too. I eat Meat, and Hunt, but I strongly beleive in respecting the Lives of Animals and not allowing them to suffer.
The other day I was watching "Wild Russia" on Animal Planet. They showed the coolest Animal. It was a Raccoon Dog. I had never seen one before, and looked them up on the Net to learn more.
I wish I had'nt. I found that they are Exploited to near Extinction for their Fur. What is worse is how they do it. They don't even kill the Animal first, they just tie it to a Stick and skin it alive. Then, they toss the still living Creature in a Heap where they lay in Agony til' they die of Shock.
It is horrible, and I swear if I was over there, I would go on a Mission to skin all these Humans that have done this to these poor Raccoon Dogs. It's half Raccoon, half Dog, and Cute as anything. How can People be so Cruel? I'de pay to get my hands on some Folks.

 

Let's leave the factual misstatements and misrepresentations of your post aside for a moment.

You do not believe in animal rights. You believe that animals should not be mistreated. You believe that animals should be treated with proper stewardship, and their well-being ensured as they serve the needs of man, including, when necessary, humane methods of harvest or slaughter for legitimate uses. In this, I agree with you in every respect.

But "animal rights" is an entirely different facet of the debate. Very few people actually believe in animal rights, and the implications that naturally follow. Sure, almost everyone will sign a petition in favor of "animal rights" because nobody but a Jeffrey Dahmer type of person wants animals to intentionally suffer, but almost nobody ever researches what the tenets of the "animal rights" movement really are.

"Animal rights" is the philosophy that animals have natural rights that are equivalent to, or even higher than, those of humans. Under this belief, humans can not harvest or slaughter any animal without committing murder. I am not exaggerating. I'm sure we have all seen the "MEAT IS MURDER!" bumper stickers. Along with this right to life, they accord animals the right to defend their lives (against hunters and farmers), and others' rights to defend the animals' lives, with anything from property destruction and vandalism, up to deadly force.

"Animal rights" is one of the rallying cries of the eco-terrorist groups and other mentally-unbalanced collectives out there, who place the lives of their fellow man far below the lives of lesser animals in an inverted sliding scale of value. "Animal rights" supporters are sick, and urgently need help.

 

The Animal Bill of Rights:

1) You have the right to be tasty. If you give up that right, anything you do will be heavily drenched in barbecue sauce.

2) You have the right to a butcher. If you can not afford a butcher, one will be provided to you at no cost.

Oink if you understand these rights.

 

I am ALSO for animal rights... but animal rights groups give me the creeps. This talk of letting caged rabbits loose in the wild is purely lame: they would be dead in a couple of days. So would the sheep, etc.

In my opinion, I am an omnivore and not a vegetarian. I eat meat, bears eat meat, even fish eat meat and I have no problem with eating meat. None.

Where do animal rights come into it? I believe that the animals that feed us have the right to a decent life and to a quick death. The hunter that aims as best he can is observing animal rights. The steer that gets quickly slaughtered at the processing plant has received his rights.

But, animal abuse is illegal AND WELL IT SHOULD BE! And, it should be illegal to keep 3 chickens in pens so small that only 2 can sit down at once.... but it isn't.

Animal rights? I am for them also. But, for PETA or any other group to turn domestic animals loose is flat out wrong. PETA is nuts. So are most other Animal Rights groups and so I want nothing to do with any of them!

 

I am against animal rights.

I am for humane treatment of animals.