you can also get caught, get shot and get nothing.


Just saying.

 

you can also get caught, get shot and get nothing.


Just saying.

Well said and good advice!:thumb:

 

Thanks Simon Templar, and yeah we weighed in those odds. The thing is we're planning on doing some long range surveillance first, and (only if needed) move in closer towards the area. Most of these drug hives are run in a very lax manner (so we've been told), and don't have many (if even one or two) guards.

 

well good luck to you sir. let us know how it goes. :thumb:

 

Well, what's you group's training and background like? What kind of equipment will you be using? How close are you planning on getting? Maybe if you clarify just a little bit more one what you have, know, and your means of accomplishing said mission then the conditions won't look so bad.

 

Two of my friends and I recently learned that you can get paid for locating and turning in meth labs/drug den's. I live out where it's more rural, and there are tons of backwoods drug operations. Anyway, the three of us were/are planning on using our survivalist skills and equipment to get a little extra funding. Our plan basically involves locating a few of these facilities and then surveying them, before turning our evidence and data over to the police. Is this a good idea for both training and funding (it should also be noted that the one friend has family in the DEA and Police, so we do understand the laws. Also we live in a state that still cracks down on thugs so the local cops are glad for the assistance).

Great idea but I'm not so sure such a great idea posting this here. You never knw who might be watching.:thumb:

 

Meth additcs are not laid back, be careful

 

Definitely run recon while carrying at least a full frame sidearm (preferably chambered in a very high energy round for meth addicts like 357 sig or 10mm). I would invest in a good camera with lots of zoom, and quality binoculars. I would also get a ghillie suit for back woods reconnaissance.

Good luck!!! Sounds like fun, others will condemn you, but If you are within the law then go for it.

 

Definitely run recon while carrying at least a full frame sidearm (preferably chambered in a very high energy round for meth addicts like 357 sig or 10mm). I would invest in a good camera with lots of zoom, and quality binoculars. I would also get a ghillie suit for back woods reconnaissance.

Good luck!!! Sounds like fun, others will condom you, but If you are within the law then go for it.

I know a typo but well put! Sorry brother...no pun intended, but laughing my ass off.

When meth labs are busted, the actors had better hope that they're circumcized 'cause their futures are measured in inches!:thumb::

 

Good point, I guess I was a little vague. Well all of us have training with firearms, two of us are members of the ROTC, I happen to have skills building electronic surveillance balloons, and I'm pretty good at designing armor and various combat tools. One of our targets, and kind of the tutorial one, is near my friends house. It's usually unstaffed during the day, and the owners use their own product when they are there. Basically our plan is to go ( at night. And equipped with small arms proof armor, some guns (just in case) and walkie talkies) to a nearby ridge and just scope out the area. After that, if we think it will be worth the effort, we plan on doing two weeks recon and surveillance (photo's of the place, who goes in out, pics of anyone doing anything illegal there), and then turn the place over to the police. From what we've gathered so far, any opposition will be light (so far a possible .22 caliber handgun or pump shotgun, seem to be the only threats, these guys aren't to cautious) and our job should go smoothly as long as no one spots us, the reason we'll wear camo.

 

Good point, I guess I was a little vague. Well all of us have training with firearms, two of us are members of the ROTC, I happen to have skills building electronic surveillance balloons, and I'm pretty good at designing armor and various combat tools. One of our targets, and kind of the tutorial one, is near my friends house. It's usually unstaffed during the day, and the owners use their own product when they are there. Basically our plan is to go ( at night. And equipped with small arms proof armor, some guns (just in case) and walkie talkies) to a nearby ridge and just scope out the area. After that, if we think it will be worth the effort, we plan on doing two weeks recon and surveillance (photo's of the place, who goes in out, pics of anyone doing anything illegal there), and then turn the place over to the police. From what we've gathered so far, any opposition will be light (so far a possible .22 caliber handgun or pump shotgun, seem to be the only threats, these guys aren't to cautious) and our job should go smoothly as long as no one spots us, the reason we'll wear camo.

You never mentioned NVG....your most valuable piece of equipment for ALL members of the team no less. And a MUST have for ops as such.:thumb:

 

We can always also bust out a surveillance balloon (they're in the newest MAKE magazine, check it out) at night to get better (and safer) intel

 

Most excellent idea!:thumb:

 

I'd just be careful if there are any big players involved. Busting some dudes making the stuff is one thing, but the guy that is buying the bulk from them might not be too happy with you.

 

Most EXCELLENT advice!:thumb: And the BEST!:thumb:

 

The up side to living in a more rural area is that most people know (but rarely act) who are the "Big Dogs", and who are the guys that make it on their own because they can't afford it otherwise. The Place I live is, no joke, the meth capital of America. So not everyone is Al Capone, a lot of them just make the stuff for themselves and friends.

 

The up side to living in a more rural area is that most people know (but rarely act) who are the "Big Dogs", and who are the guys that make it on their own because they can't afford it otherwise. The Place I live is, no joke, the meth capital of America. So not everyone is Al Capone, a lot of them just make the stuff for themselves and friends.

That statement is a dangerous one! It seems to me that you don't know the psychological characteristics of meth! I don't care WHO they cook for or for whatever reason! The only predictable things about meth lab operators or users/customers is that THEY ARE UNPREDICTABLE!:thumb:

Please listen on what I'm trying to tell you!:thumb:

 

I know I left out NVG's, because at best we might be able to get a pair of Gen 2's. But right in our overview plan we list, that if the op is successful, NVG's will be our purchase with the reward money.

 

I know I left out NVG's, because at best we might be able to get a pair of Gen 2's. But right in our overview plan we list, that if the op is successful, NVG's will be our purchase with the reward money.

They'd better be well before reward money....and for ALL...not just a couple! I don't like the sound of what you are contemplating. A couple of GEN 2's in something like you are describing is UNSAT!

You had better scrub and re-group on this before executing!:thumb::upsidedown:

 

Grow up barney five.

 

Well trust me, and this isn't because it's on the open form. None of us want to or are planning on engaging in combat. That statement wasn't meant to read the way you read it. I'm saying that those would be any possible guards, and any risks that they might have. Trust me, we don't think we're the A-Team and have no intention of fighting with people. it was an observation, on what the threats might be. Thanks for pointing that out though.

 

Well trust me, and this isn't because it's on the open form. None of us want to or are planning on engaging in combat. That statement wasn't meant to read the way you read it. I'm saying that those would be any possible guards, and any risks that they might have. Trust me, we don't think we're the A-Team and have no intention of fighting with people. it was an observation, on what the threats might be. Thanks for pointing that out though.

Good Lord! Give it up!

 

Have any of you trained on this matter before? If I were you, I'd try something simpler first. Like maybe surveying a camp site or trail first. You know, somewhere where you won't get shot and killed first. Get used to the conditions too. Recon isn't very comfortable! Just fully know what you are getting yourself into.

 

Have any of you trained on this matter before? If I were you, I'd try something simpler first. Like maybe surveying a camp site or trail first. You know, somewhere where you won't get shot and killed first. Get used to the conditions too. Recon isn't very comfortable! Just fully know what you are getting yourself into.

I'm trying to tell them brother....'not sure that they are grasping the moment! This is NO game...you and I BOTH know that....but do they?

"Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets." General George S. Patton

 

We've been practicing recon for some time now. Also we haven't finalized any plans. This was just an idea we began working on over the weekend, we're going to put a lot more time and thought into. This isn't something that's going to happen next week, or the week after, this is going to be a long term planning deal. I posted this thread to get any feedback and ideas for the situation, and if this op would be worth further planning and consideration.

 

We've been practicing recon for some time now. Also we haven't finalized any plans. This was just an idea we began working on over the weekend, we're going to put a lot more time and thought into. This isn't something that's going to happen next week, or the week after, this is going to be a long term planning deal. I posted this thread to get any feedback and ideas for the situation, and if this op would be worth further planning and consideration.

And you are getting it! Maybe you think some of us are being asses....please read between the lines on this.:thumb:

 

Yeah, I realize this isn't a game that's why I'm asking if the idea would be worth further investigation, or if we should just keep doing our usual practice drills for various other procedures. Right now viewing the pros i see: Put's criminals away behind bars, earns extra cash, good training, probably some sort of recognition.
But the cons include possible death or injury.
that's why I'm wondering whether it's even worth further pursuing this notion, or if I should just drop the idea now.

 

cookie your experience is ROTC? Dude, don't go getting yourself killed. And running around with firearms in areas that will most likely be private property...good way to get arrested.

 

Its sad... Maybe if they had a combat veteran teaching and helping them... But just ROTC... Even combat hunter course is about a month long and tought by professionals with experience. Their hearts are in the right place though. As long as they know the dangers involved. Also, realize that you may have to kill. If that meth lab has guards and they are caught it'll be no choice. Recon is not a light-hearted thing. If you guys are still dead set on it, I'd get up with a veteran who's had the experience and have them train you A LOT. And then have them accompany you.

 

Bounty Hunters

Kinda like bounty hunters. It can get rough.

I would think you would need some kind of license and a bounty hunter license & training will run aroune $1,000!

Everything needs a license or permit nowadays.

Drug dealers are right up there with bankers - no moral values whatsoever! Except a drug dealer will just shoot you instead of forclosing your house.

Good luck & don't get killed.


:upsidedown:

 

In hindsight this seems like it was a really stupid idea. At the time I guess we got caught up in the excitement of the whole concept but as (mainly American ME!) pointed out, there would be huge risks involved and it probably wouldn't be worth it. Oh well. By any chance though, does anyone know of a person whose done this sort of thing before. It doesn't have to be someone you've met, just a story about it that you've heard. Just wondering if anyone (not in law enforcement) ever busted up criminals. Back on topic, yeah we're not going to go through with the thing, thanks for all the constructive criticism.

 

In hindsight this seems like it was a really stupid idea. At the time I guess we got caught up in the excitement of the whole concept but as (mainly American ME!) pointed out, there would be huge risks involved and it probably wouldn't be worth it. Oh well. By any chance though, does anyone know of a person whose done this sort of thing before. It doesn't have to be someone you've met, just a story about it that you've heard. Just wondering if anyone (not in law enforcement) ever busted up criminals. Back on topic, yeah we're not going to go through with the thing, thanks for all the constructive criticism.

That is the smartest decision you could make!:thumb: Although your heart is in the right place....leave that to those with experience.

I can see by careful reading of your posts is this....you ALL are nowhere near ready to tackle a task of this magnitude!:thumb: No pun intended.

Also, just erring to the conservative side....you do NOT know who may have been watching your dialogue. You may want to up your SA for a bit. 'Just a suggestion...erring to the conservative side once again.

 

Meth labs are kinda like dangerous and stuff.

From what I've learned going to classes on drug labs is that even if they aren't protected by people when you find them they could certainly have booby traps and they are very volatile and explosive. Best of all if the manufactures find out who it is that is helping LE they can come and kill you and your family. Other than that I guess it's okay for the big reward you get.

 

Meth labs are kinda like dangerous and stuff.

From what I've learned going to classes on drug labs is that even if they aren't protected by people when you find them they could certainly have booby traps and they are very volatile and explosive. Best of all if the manufactures find out who it is that is helping LE they can come and kill you and your family. Other than that I guess it's okay for the big reward you get.

THANK YOU!:thumb:

 

Well there was this one guy. Rich kid, kinda kept to himself. Well he used his family fortune to buy a bunch of cool gear and a tricked out car. He usually liked to do it at night and had a thing for bats. Hates clowns too...

 

This is a great idea is you want to make a little dough on the side... it is also a great way to get marked for death by the MS13 which runs/supplies a lot of these meth cookers.

Please do not think for one moment that the LEO's that you turn your information into are not working in concert with these thugs--in fact, you can count on running into one or more of them.

Expect drive by shootings as you get into your car in the morning with your wife and kids... or outright household take overs where they bust in shooting and killing everyone in sight.

This is not one of the brightest ideas I have seen on this board.

ST

 

For the record though 9and trust me I don't plan on doing this now), has anyone ever done this. I'm seriously wondering cause I'd imagine they would have suffered a rather macabre fate.

 

And just remember, ROTC does not military training make. Sure, you'll learn lots of cool drill, customs and courtesies, and maybe even a little about shooting but thats about it. Lets look at it this way. It takes three months for bootcamp and another three months for infantry school or a month of combat training if you are a POG. *achoo* Then, depending on your job, it'll take you anywhere from a month to several months to become a boot, and even then you'll only fully be proficient at the game after several more months! Its no joke!

 

I appreciate your backing and input on this brother!:thumb: