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Am I addicted or a hoarder? Hummmmm. So I looked it up. According to Wikipedia,

"Human hoarding"
Civil unrest or natural disaster may lead people to hoard foodstuffs, water, gasoline and other essentials which they believe, rightly or wrongly, will soon be in short supply. Survivalists, also known as preppers, often stockpile large supplies of these items in anticipation of a large-scale disaster event.

So, when is enough, enough? When will I have enough firewood, canned meats & vegetables, food stocks, tools, water, & etc.? How do you become passive, uninvolved, complacent, and relax?
I mention to my wife that we probably need this or that while shopping, she says we have some, just cause you don't see it doesn't mean we don't have it. Its tucked away!

Oh, Ok?

Been stocking up for winter/hard times 60+ years, why all the zeal, enthusiasm now? Anybody else fell this way?
 

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By actual definition, I would say yes, we could be "classified" as hoarders. I think the main distinction between the two though, is hoarding as most people see it can be from mental instability.

I.E - A spouse passes away and they loved antique dolls, so the person still alive hoards them trying to preserve her memory.

Or something along those lines. But I would say, there's probably some cases where someone considers themselves a prepper, but really has a problem.
 

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I don't hoard humans :D:.

Seriously, I'm in that 60+ age group and on a fixed income. I don't hoard but I do stock up extras and take advantage of sales when possible, especially when I know there will be no better time during the coming year but I've been doing this most my life on the advice of my dad from prior years. He believed one never knew when they might hit upon bad times and I feel the same, bad time being...anything that puts a strain on one's income.
I wouldn't say I'm on a SHTF level with supplies being stocked up though, far from it. At this point, I'm just trying to be practical while keeping a SHTF possibility in mind.
 

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In our house, having enough is getting to the next garden season without any outside assistance. No income. No food stamps. No church help. No family/friends helping out. No food bank. No trips to the store for "just one thing." When you put it that way, we fall short.

That definition of "hoarding" used to be most folks' "making sure we can take care of ourselves." At some point the just-in-time philosophy was embraced by everyone from skinflint executives to heads of households, and now it's normal to depend on others in every aspect of our daily lives. The attitude that preparedness = unnecessary hoarding is at the root of our abysmal nationwide lack of readiness for, well, anything serious.

Our extended family got an eye opener when I said "Starting now, no unnecessary travel or public contact" when the news came out about Amber Vinson's air travel. We lasted exactly 6 days before people started running out of stuff and saying "Ok, I get the point. Now I'm going out to get (fill in the blank) cause we need it right now." We couldn't even reduce our public contact for one week. Had this been a real emergency, there would have been a decision as to whether the adults and kids who showed up at my place were allowed in. Now they understand the answer is "no, because you're asking me to risk those of us who prepared." Something to think about.

It isn't hoarding to choose that when things inevitably go wrong you can handle them yourself. For all our sense of independence, it is glaringly obvious that a lot of our family couldn't go it on their own for even a short time -- and where they planned to show up when they realized it.
 

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Hoarding is seen as an OCD related mental illness, it usually isn't prepping. They don't organise, they compulsively shop, and most don't do housework of any kind. Most preppers are organized, only buy the best deals and clean their houses. Hoarders quite often keep seriously out of date food such as moldy meat, and also rusty cans, I don't think preppers would do this.
 

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I've never liked the word "hoarder" applied to preppers or survivalists. It implies, IMO, that by my stocking various resources that I'm somehow keeping others from having access to them.

For instance, if during a disaster I went to Wal-Mart and bought every last can of canned meat and there was nothing left on the shelves for anyone else, I'd consider that selfish and self-centered--hoarding behavior.

But nothing I've stocked has prevented a single person from finding and stocking their own supplies. Last time I was there, shelves were full. The gasoline I've stocked? Stations are still open and selling it. Food? Bumper crop this year in the Midwest.

Hoarding, to me, implies I'm doing something to keep others from getting their fair share (whatever that would be). Nothing I'm doing comes close to that.

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Ironically, the fact that I stock up means I won't be in line with others when TSHTF. I won't be competing with them for food and other items. I may add a few things given the chance (fats and oils, for instance), but I will not buy out the store. Not by a long shot.
 

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I watch that hoarding show every once in awhile. Those people have mental issues plus they don't take out the garbage or clean up pet messes in their homes. You can't even find a place to walk or sit down in their homes. When I would watch that prepper show, those people had lots of prepping stuff, but I never saw garbage laying around and you could walk through their homes. Prepping isn't hoarding.
 

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"Hoarding" is the term your neighbors will use to justify taking your preps when they`re starving after TSHTF.
Agreed.


However, if I were to divide the terms:
Hoarders pile up completely useless junk and garbage in piles and stacks. Usually with filth and mental illness.
Preppers neatly gather and stock things that will be useful, given the circumstances that they expect will or could happen. They are mostly sane and rational.
 

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Too many people trying to put labels on everything. Then those labels either become stigma or pride. I call myself a prepper. Because i am. I don't give 2 ****s if people are offended by it or not. If it offends, good, I don't want your kind around me anyway.
Prepping does involve Hoarding. It also involves being a Gun Nut, conspiracy theorist, tight wad, survivalist, conservative and possibly introvert.
Wiki is not necessarily the go-to for reliable information anyway. Let people think what they want. We'll be the ones laughing when the power goes out.
 

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I had a Grandpa that was born 1895. I had a Grandma born 1908. Lost all 4 of my grandparents 1978, 1981, 1997, 2005.

Were they hoarders? NOPE! They were RESOURCEFUL! (it was called the Great Depression)

Now granted..... it is very possible, and maybe common.... for the OCD shopoholic type of person to use the 'survivialist/prepper' mentality as an EXCUSE! Don't doubt that for a minute.

Now let me ask YOU a question.... my mother hoarded fashion clothes, fashion dress accessories, even had a 20 gal rubbermaid bin FULL OF JEWELRY!!!!

Was she a shopoholic hoarder? or a survivialist/prepper?

Did this just seem like a stupid analogy?
 

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There are "Collectors" and "Hoarders". "Collectors" can easliy become "Hoarders". I do not consider most preppers as "Hoarders" because most have a goal or limit to how much of what they consider they need (which may be a lot). For instance I would like to have six months worth of food and water and no more, a certain ammount of first aid, hygiene, and cooking supplies and no more. A certain ammount of batteries, ammunition, and fuel and no more.

A "Hoarder" is someone that doesn't know when to stop hoarding things and can be very disorganized. So if you do this and consider yourself a prepper then ok you are a prepper but also a "Hoarder". A "Hoarder" keeps things and do not know why they keep it except that they like it or feel it will serve some purpose in the future but doesn't know what at the present. A "Collector" collects certain items and stops collecting when they have all of those items. Then will usually go on a start collecting something else.

I believe that everyone is a little "OCD" just some much more than others.
 

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'Hoarding' is also a term that gets used on this forum by people who think what they are doing is prepping, but what you are doing is hoarding... kind of a snobbery thing. They think they are putting you down by calling you a hoarder.

I agree with this guy...
Too many people trying to put labels on everything. Then those labels either become stigma or pride. I call myself a prepper. Because i am. I don't give 2 ****s if people are offended by it or not. If it offends, good, I don't want your kind around me anyway.
Prepping does involve Hoarding. It also involves being a Gun Nut, conspiracy theorist, tight wad, survivalist, conservative and possibly introvert.
 

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The terms used to describe people who have the insight to have a supply for an emergency, national disaster or what are called smart. Those who have lost a job or illness find gratitude and some relief in these stores.
I have lived through winter of 56* below zero and over 8' of snow on the flat you just don't go to the local store when your 16 miles to town. You have a store of games for the kids, tunnels in the snow to the wood pile as well as skis and snow shoes handy.
Yes we are crazy and as well a different view on life and basic needs for the wrong time........
 

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I don't consider preppers hoarders. Like others have said, I define hoarders as the people who are mentally unstable: collect 150 cats, newspapers since 1900, bags of human waste in the bathroom (I saw that on an epi of "Hoarders" and wish I could burn it out of my memory). If some one is trying to classify preppers as hoarders, then I think it's more of the demonization process. Boo.
 

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I don't understand the term 'human hoarding'. As opposed to what, animal hoarding? Inhuman hoarding? The qualifier would not seem to make sense to me... :confused:
 

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By definition I think the word "hoard" has a selfish "ALL mine!" quality to it, one that might be driven by fear, so I think the question here might be...are you preparing from a desire not to be a victim of circumstances...or because you fear what might happen? The latter, I would think, would be more inclined to drive one to become extreme or compulsive, whereas the former would be done with reasonable/sensible/common sense consideration. Just my 2 cents worth :D:.
 
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