Life is good, the economy is awesome and on the rebound, and people are all singing koom ba ya. Why would somebody ever bust into our houses?

You must not be watching the news.

 

Not sure about after it get's in. You could maybe keep it from getting into the house. Hurricane shutters?

 

A friend and I were talking about this the other day and we couldn't think of any ways to protect you from them. If you guys figure out a way let me know.

 

I'll just leave this here:

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Dont be around when it goes off:upsidedown:

I remember when I was training back in Fort Knox one of the obstical course was a live fire exercise and they set off charges while we moved up the line they would set off the charges.

The charges were placed in a barrier that was a circle forceing the blast up and away, even with that being done you could feel the charge all the way down to the bone.

Best bet I can think off would be have the ablitly to deflect the force of the charge out and away from you.

I still stand by what I stated first

 

Shut your eyes and open your mouth, seriously. Opening your mouth equalizes the concussive pressure on your equilibrium. Don't plug your ears, unless you cans get behind something SOLID! Not saying you won't be effected buy the flash bang but it won't immobilize you.

 

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if you can see or hear it entering your window...I would say immidiately hold your hands over your ears and squeeze your eyes shut. From what I just read about them, and what the throwers are supposed to wear. It will be a really loud sound which disrupts your fluids in the ear and hearing, and the bright flash which causes your eyes pixels to be wacked out for about 5 seconds.

I have zero experience with them, just read about them real quick on wiki...lol. please please please correct or tell me of a better way while going about your daily life not feeling the need to protect yourself against one?

As far as recovery, jeez...I would say open and shut your eyes a bunch and hope for the hearing to come back soon....hide and barricade you and family members.

 

ok, i already stand corrected on the holding your ears...great advice!

 

Everything I've read about flashbangs is that they are incredibly disorienting, and it's not going to be something you'll just shrug off. The concussive force, the incredible loudness, and the absolute white-out that your vision becomes all combine to essentially disable you for a minute or two, long enough for an overwhelming LE or military force to storm the room and take you all down.

If you're at a point where an opposing force might use these on you, it's my advice that you make yourself very hard to find.

 

They vary depending on the manufacturer and model.

The ones used by our local police SWAT, when used inside the confined space of indoors, are so bright you'll be blinking, seeing "sun spots" for 4 to 6 minutes, the decibel level is so loud, you'll be hearing that tinnitus ringing in your ears for at least twenty minutes and the concussive shock force is great enough that it felt like it could blast you and all the furniture in the room up against the wall.

You won't be able to recover for at least several minutes and within 2 to 3 seconds after detonation, SWAT explodes into the room with a dynamic entry, with the SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) of the point officer emptying the 30rd magazine of his HK MP5 into the center mass of the hostage taker.

I'm a retired LEO (wasn't a SWAT officer, but volunteered to assist with training one time (ONLY one time)) by playing the role of one of two bank robbers, who took hostages when officers responded to the silent alarm. In our training scenario, the "hostages" were stuffed dummies, but they wanted living "bad guys" to move, use cover and offer active defense, so they could practice their dynamic entry drill.

In the course of my police training, getting pepper sprayed is annoying enough, getting tasered is something I only volunteered for once...and being subjected to an indoor flashbang that felt like it knocked the fillings out of my teeth is something I'll not volunteer for again.

After the training exercise I participated in, I expressed my concerns about the effect of the flashbang on actual "hostages", especially subjecting the loud, bright overpressure to senior citizens or civilians with heart conditions or pacemakers. EMS has to be on the scene before a dynamic entry can be green lighted.

But back to the original question. If a flashbang is going off, your best bet is to be elsewhere. If you are caught in the blast, it means that your senses will be rattled and disoriented for minutes and that in seconds heavily armed men will be trying to kill you.

 

Throw a couch cushion over it.

 

I've been pretty close to a few flash bangs during training. They are pretty disruptive. I had on ear protection and they still hurt my hearing. Once I was really close and the concussion hit me pretty hard. The flash isn't pretty either.

Ideally, you want to keep them out of the room you're in. There are a few ways to stop them from coming through a broken window if your wife will let you do it. You can use a bunch of picture hangers or cup hooks screwed in around the window and get some bungee cord-type netting on the inside of your windows. I saw this in a fiction story written by I forget who and actually tried it at the range in a shoot-house window- it worked. Everything we tried throwing through the window frame either bounced back or became hung up in the mesh.

Another way is to put film on your window which makes it harder to break. Granted a determined window breaker will get through that but it can take time and time is good for you. Stuff like this: http://www.nationalglassservicegroup.com/services/anti-intrusion.php

The flash bang manages to inhabit the space you are in, I guess the shut your eyes, cover your ears and open your mouth is the best bet. I got nothing else that would work better in those cases.

Flash bang work best when the people of the receiving end are surprised and unprepared. Anything you can do to prolong the use of them allows you to be more prepared.

 

A properly deployed flashbang will go off as soon as you are registering it's existence. Doubt there would be time to put anything on. Your best bet is likely to run and jump out the nearest window haha.

If you could somehow prepare for it before it was deployed, you'd have better luck. I read somewhere a self darkening welding mask would be useful for your eyes. You'd still need to combat the disorientation and potential deafness though.

Committing the layout of your house to memory is beneficial. Even if I were blind and deaf I feel I could find a wall, then find a window, and make an exit. Doing it quickly would be hard though.

 

You might want to consider, just keeping the damn things out. We used to live in a rough neighborhood and we made 1X4 wood frames for the outside of our windows and nailed chicken wire to them. It kept out rocks, bottles, and chunks of concrete. They would just bounce right back at them... It was Oakland Ca. in the 1960's, infested with Black Panthers...those were the days!

 

Your best possible chance,seems to most likely be securing the glass breach points in your home to resist one being launched in. Couple this with hardening the entry points of your home, in a fashion that makes dynamic entry more time consuming, and therefore less... Dynamic.

The flash bang would be far less effective if it detonates outside the home. And the same goes for the results, if it still takes 10+ minutes to physically put a team inside the building.

 

Full body armor with SAPI plates for concussive force, welders helmet W/auto darkening face shield to deflect the concussive force on the head and protect the eyes from the flash, electronic hearing protection. If you face the flash bang which would be hard to do without re-flexing away from it if you saw it. I would be curious to find out if it would work

Anyone willing to try it out and let us know if it works?

 

I'll try that next time I get to play with them. I'm just stupid enough to try it. : That's why I have been tazed a few times, taken a shot of pepper spray many times and taken a few hits from guys teaching us the latest and greatest in stunning blows.

I usually end up regretting it, but it'll all about verifying the effectiveness.

I did draw the line on being shot with a beanbag shotgun round though so I'm not totally insane.

 

Understanding the tactics used by entry teams would be a good place to start.

Anything else I could tell you would be irresponsible.

 

wear ear plugs and don't look into the light Carol-Anne...

 

Somebody must like playing Counter Strike!

 

nope, i got nuthing.



plan to not being where the flashbang is. trap door, spider hole, una$$ the area. escape tunnel don't wait for the flashbang(s). after the flashbang goes in the storm troopers follow. (don't be there.) hiding the the hard corner(s) and being able to overcome the effects of a flashbang might only buy you a second of extra life. don't be there. be safe.

n1oc

 

Train yourself to start firing with your eyes closed, if needed, when the time comes. Fire through walls to achieve the element of surprise.

Take the nazi's out... you know they will be right behind the firecrackers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk7vhLxk9BE

 

1. Wear ballistic eye and ear protection
2. Stay away from exterior rooms(with exterior windows/doors); defend from interior-most spaces
3. Right angle barriers & turns (walls, corners, door frames) are your friend with regard to blast waves
4. Use window treatments (curtains, glass film, Venetian blinds, etc.) to prevent assault force identification of...
5. Barriers fastened/nailed to interior of windows and door frames (plywood, heavy blankets, thin mattresses, carpets, etc.)
6. For obvious entry points or rooms you can't defend, string the space with tanglefoot strands of heavy gauge steel wire or barbed wire...spread across the room at random angles at about shin and waist high. Anchor the wire into masonry, studs, or heavy furniture with eyebolts, heavy brads, nails or screws. This will slow up the entry team as they breach.
7. Spread fine (small grid) fishing net tautly across windows, hallway turns, staircase landings, etc. in order to cause a grenade to bounce back on the assaulters.
8. A piece of Home Depot's thickest Lexan or polycarbonate window section can be turned into a body bunker (with the addition of scuba webbing wrist/forearm straps screwed into it) that will deflect a blast wave around you. Just like a Roman legionnaire's shield.
9. Interior body length low wall of sandbags; you diving prone on one side, the bang detonating on the other.
10. Use a softball bat and wait for the pitch...


You do realize that, at the point a flash bang rolls or gets pitched into the room, you have only a few more seconds to live (if you resist)?

 

They generally disorient for a few seconds to a minute .And if you are used to being around loud noises it wears off faster. I ony saw one guy that didnt get over it quickly and the thing went off in his lap...oucheee
They are only designed to buy the user a few seconds of time. As a matter of fact sometimes they get caught by the things and after a time they get used to the them pretty much.

 

First and foremost you have to expect that they will be used and be ready for them. Train yourself not to automatically look at anything that is shot or thrown through a window. That is the natural response that they are designed to take advantage of. I can't remember the name of the company that makes them, but be on the lookout for a set of shooters earplugs that are designed with a baffle inside the actual earpiece. These were designed for being able to hear doing the lulls between firing. But they close very quickly when there is a sudden loud sharp noise to block out the majority of the noise.

 

Sonic II earplugs. I've been using them since the 1980's. Used by a lot of rock musicians and shooters. About twelve bucks. Allow you to hear normally until a high decibel sound wave hits them.

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