How much ammo do i need to carry
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There is a huge difference between how much ammo you should "have" versus how much you should "carry".
"Have" a lot. The more, the better. "Carry" only what you can still move around with without exhausting yourself. For me that would be about ten pounds at most of ammo.
Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Multiple smaller ammo caches are better than one big one.
"Have" a lot. The more, the better. "Carry" only what you can still move around with without exhausting yourself. For me that would be about ten pounds at most of ammo.
Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Multiple smaller ammo caches are better than one big one.
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it is all about probabilities. if you have a bol it will be a good idea to stash some close by..of course you should try to hide it as best you can. Obviously don't put all you ammo in the stash...carrying more than 250-300 rds of 7.69 can get heavy and cumbersome. Yes you need firepower to get to where you are going but you also need clothing, food, supplies etc. and you will be avoiding confrontations on your way to your BOL not looking for it. If you can not solve your problems with 250 rds of 7.69 I doubt it 300 more will help you
hey, I am sorry. But. 6'2", 280lbs, pack a day smoker....You shouldn't be carrying anything more than a basic combat load. That would be 60 rounds for a bolt or 210 for an AR15 and 45 rounds of pistol. No offense but eagle scout or no, you don't seem combat effective at your weight and lifestyle. Unless you are Brock Lesner, you won't be able to move quickly enough to survive many firefights.
Not only are you a big target but you are easily flanked. In combat you die from one of three things; failure to move, failure to shoot, failure to communicate. So, with your ammo, you can shoot. But you didn't mention traveling with friends so commo is out. Your size and smoking makes moving tough.
Look at it this way, I am 100 pounds lighter, and can run 2 miles in 16 minutes. And I am 47 years old and consider myself in out of shape. How would you fare against 2 or 3 guys like me so inclined to rob you?
You need to travel light and look poor.
Not only are you a big target but you are easily flanked. In combat you die from one of three things; failure to move, failure to shoot, failure to communicate. So, with your ammo, you can shoot. But you didn't mention traveling with friends so commo is out. Your size and smoking makes moving tough.
Look at it this way, I am 100 pounds lighter, and can run 2 miles in 16 minutes. And I am 47 years old and consider myself in out of shape. How would you fare against 2 or 3 guys like me so inclined to rob you?
You need to travel light and look poor.
Man!!!!!!!!!!!! Talk about making an EXCELLENT point. So many people think that having a bunch of guns, a bunch of ammo in a bunch of different locations etc..... etc..... etc.....will by default allow you to survive. A lot of people out there never or seldom consider their own fitness into the whole equation of whatever situation they are preparing for. Talk to the the top shooting industry instructors and survivalists and ask them where physical fitness is placed in the hierarchy of surviving a firefight, an extended conflict or survival situation?
I'll be willing to bet most will either not like the answer, will be in denial or will be shocked with its importance.
I really hate to say it, but soooooo many gun owners have NOOOO idea of what the body goes through physiologically alone during a fight. (not counting the running around one has to do, to change the OODA loop in your favor). What happens to the body and how to work within those reactions or how to try and minimize them so one can be somewhat effective behind the gun. Otherwise you're just throwing lead downrange and hoping you get lucky in making a hit.
The typical guy that thinks going to the range and shooting 50 to 100 rounds at a square range, where the environment is nice and calm, there's no pressure or stress, from a comfortable position, you shoot the drills you like and are decent in, you're heart rate is beating slightly above your resting heart rate, and overall are having a good time, have a real false sense of security in thinking that they are prepared for just a gunfight event alone.
I can tell you that doing a mag change, squeezing the trigger or even looking through your sights under the aforementioned conditions is nothing like doing a mag change, squeezing the trigger or looking through your sights when under the duress of a gunfight and under the physiological effects the body goes into . When your heart rate is close to 200bpm, your performance is affected, even the way the brain thinks or processes information changes. Veterans that have been in engagements know what I mean. You'd be surprised what a different experience those 3 simple actions are. They are the extreme opposites of each other, and the only thing that gets you somewhat ready for that experience is the right mindset, the right training, and being physically fit. You don;t need to be an Olympian, but be in good shape. Your odds of survival will increase substantially. One has to learn how to control heart rate and breathing so we can lower them and be effective in what we're trying to do. Both of those are at the center of being in shape and in turn how we perform.
IMO it can all summed up in a great quote by Col. Jeff Cooper who once said "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”
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I have several guns and calibers for fun, defense and sport. I have four calibers I standardized on for preparing.
.22 Long rifle... Practice, training, small game hunting, pest control, competition and a last ditch defense option. Try to keep several thousand rounds on hand. A .22 will be with me if I must bug out. A couple of hundred rounds would be easy to pack.
9mm... This is my personal defense cartridge as well as competition cartridge for handguns and a small carbine. I always have a small 9mm in the pocket and usually a larger one in the belt. A 9mm folding carbine is carried in a courier bag as part of my "get home bag". I feel comfortable with sixty rounds for the carbine and a spare magazine for each pistol. Maybe 15 to 45 rounds max for the handgun(s). Long term preps have five thousand rounds as my basic storage reserve. 4k ball and 1k JHP.
5.56mm... This is my primary rifle cartridge. My AR15 is for home defense, law enforcement and three gun competition. My basic LE load out is a thirty round magazine in the carbine and a thirty rounder in a butt pouch. This is the "patrol" configuration. I have a "bail out bag" with another three thirty round magazines in it as well as other essentials for an unplanned call out. About two thousand rounds are my floating reserve mostly for competition and training. The AR is NOT a low profile weapon and not something I would likely carry exposed if bugging out on foot. Might well simply cache it near the house with a hope of recovery at some point.
12 gauge. The 12 gauge is a home defense gun and will not go with me if I bug out. I feel comfortable with fifty rounds of buckshot being the basic store for HD and hurricane watch. Slugs and birdshot are used for three gun games and stocked as needed with a small reserve of two hundred rounds total.
Bottom line... Many before me have emphasized physically fit and travel light. I agree. My BOL is not something I can get to easily if the ballon goes up. My plan is to work on "bugging in" until I can retire and then move whole hog to the BOL. In my case the worse case scenario would have me humping sixty miles from work by foot or bicycle to the house. At this point my GHB will be on me and I will be "traveling light and looking poor"!
.22 Long rifle... Practice, training, small game hunting, pest control, competition and a last ditch defense option. Try to keep several thousand rounds on hand. A .22 will be with me if I must bug out. A couple of hundred rounds would be easy to pack.
9mm... This is my personal defense cartridge as well as competition cartridge for handguns and a small carbine. I always have a small 9mm in the pocket and usually a larger one in the belt. A 9mm folding carbine is carried in a courier bag as part of my "get home bag". I feel comfortable with sixty rounds for the carbine and a spare magazine for each pistol. Maybe 15 to 45 rounds max for the handgun(s). Long term preps have five thousand rounds as my basic storage reserve. 4k ball and 1k JHP.
5.56mm... This is my primary rifle cartridge. My AR15 is for home defense, law enforcement and three gun competition. My basic LE load out is a thirty round magazine in the carbine and a thirty rounder in a butt pouch. This is the "patrol" configuration. I have a "bail out bag" with another three thirty round magazines in it as well as other essentials for an unplanned call out. About two thousand rounds are my floating reserve mostly for competition and training. The AR is NOT a low profile weapon and not something I would likely carry exposed if bugging out on foot. Might well simply cache it near the house with a hope of recovery at some point.
12 gauge. The 12 gauge is a home defense gun and will not go with me if I bug out. I feel comfortable with fifty rounds of buckshot being the basic store for HD and hurricane watch. Slugs and birdshot are used for three gun games and stocked as needed with a small reserve of two hundred rounds total.
Bottom line... Many before me have emphasized physically fit and travel light. I agree. My BOL is not something I can get to easily if the ballon goes up. My plan is to work on "bugging in" until I can retire and then move whole hog to the BOL. In my case the worse case scenario would have me humping sixty miles from work by foot or bicycle to the house. At this point my GHB will be on me and I will be "traveling light and looking poor"!
This ^^^^^
I definitely don't want to come off as condescending or judging at all, but when people start talking about bugging out, fighting, hiking, long term survival, tactical movements, whatever; There is no piece of gear you can get and no weapon more important than your own body!
Start working on fitness now! I'm not a body builder, I'm not magazine ripped, but I'm 6'0 185 in pretty good shape, workout 5~6 days a week. I was stockier at 205 and very into lifting heavy, but I switched to more crossfit, cardio and circuit training routines. I now subscribe to the thought that I am a much more functionally strong human being that I can do 50 pullups in a workout, or bench press 135 50 times in a workout and so forth then I was when I could do much higher weights once or twice. I'm much more well rounded, leaner, faster, better endurance and more confidence in the shape I'm in now.
Get your body right, start running around your neighborhood, doing pushups/pullups/bodyweight squats (all stuff you can do at home) - I promise you're going to be a much more functional person in a bad scenario, then if you stay on your current path and just load up on ammo and gear.
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That's just great. Now you're telling me I need to lose 50 pounds.
And quit sucking on rolled up cancer on a stick!!!
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Nope. That's not me. Ice cream, you bet.And quit sucking on rolled up cancer on a stick!!!
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