[templar223]

how much ammo should i carry i have a 762x39 and 9mm i was thinking 500 of each caliber but i am new to guns ..i know thats alot of weight but i am also thinking that i might need to use some of those rounds to get out of the city and 100miles aways to my familys home . i am 6foot 280 and is very strong and my wife will be carrying some weight also so how much is to much

Get some training, young man, and you'll know how much you need to carry.

Recommendation:

A handgun class (NRA personal protection or better)
A carbine rifle class (Pat Rogers, John Farnam, Sully Sullivan, Chris Costa, or other similar)
And an Appleseed.

Then you'll have a better handle on how many you need to carry.

Worst case scenario, I'd probably carry five or six mags plus the one in the gun (two on belt, three on chest rig, maybe on in back pocket just for grins) for the rifle (AR in my case).

For the handgun, two spares on the belt.

John

 

[templar223]

carry from my location to 100miles away to my bug out location .

My mistake, I thought you were talking "carry" as in on your person.

Why not pre-position 6 reloads for the rifle and three for the handgun?

John

 

[Cragar]

NEAR, the whole definition of the BOL is a secure location. It sounds to me like you don't really have one. My wife and I have a place to go to if a hurricane hits, but that is not our BOL. Our BOL is a secure location on our ranch where some members of our family live full time, we call it the compound. It's impossible to get in with out being seen. When you are seen, you are shot, this has never happened. Our ranch has cattle, chickens, horses, a church, our family, secure gates, water, gardens, the whole lot. Our house is all ready for us, in fact we live there for part of the year.

I found this thread a very interesting read, and I'm checking it alot to stay on top of the conversation.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=179395
It's about what soldiers carry into battle. Many very informative posts about what our soldiers have been carrying into battle since Vietnam. It should help give you an idea of what to carry in your BOB. Keep in mind, these folks are engaging in firefights with the enemy. Your objective should be to not be seen by anyone.

 

[GoblintheCat]

Idmaster certainly got it right.

Honestly, the only reason I would take a rifle on a bugout (I assume city home to rural retreat) would be because I didn't want to live in the city without my rifle.

Otherwise I would stash it at the retreat and make the bugout with a pistol.

Your biggest challenge is going to be doing the distance. That distance is no joke if you are doing it without resupply. Focus more on food and other logistics than on ammo.

To support your logistics, as Idmaster suggested, the real answer is to cache along the route.

While I understand that you feel that your cache may not be safe, that just argues for more caches. They don't have to be super expensive and extensive. Just some food and maybe a few odd and ends. Enough to get you to the next two caches (assume you miss the next, have enough to reach the one after that).

Really, if you are spending more than say twenty bucks on them you are probably spending too much. So place a bunch. If you lose some, who cares.

YMMV,
Chad

 

[indie]

why would you ever walk 100 miles in full battle rattle to a location where you dont know its going to be secure if you even make it?

If you have a secure location, why arent you already there?

The most important pieces of hardware in a survival situation is your brain.
Nobody here can tell you how much to carry, how much you will need, etc. You really need to get out there and train with your weapons and gear, and put your own body to the test.

Sitting here speculating about how much ammo you can haul because youre a big guy wont help you a bit when reality hits.

What if its 100+ degrees?

What if its 0 degrees?

What if the terrain is rough or impassible?

What if there is rain or flooding? What if there is fire?


Where are you going to keep water? Food? Dry Socks? Shelter from the elements? First aid?

I think the strapping up and loading yourself down with guns and mags and heading to a "bug out" location 100 miles away on foot is about one of the worst things you could possibly "plan" to do.


And on top of all that, youre new to guns?

 

[Jager78]

Step One. Work on Cardio and Endurance.

Step Two. Work up to a 25 Mile March.

Step Three. Work up to a 25 Mile March with more and more gear. Add more and more ammo until you say, OK, that is enough.

Store extra supplies at your BOL. If you cannot reasonably secure stuff at your BOL, why would you want to walk 100 Miles to get there Post SHTF?

Exactly!

People ask, "How much of this should I have?" "Or what firearm is better?"

Let me ask this. What works best for you? What do you shoot better?
How much do you know that you can carry?

These types of questions are sometimes (most of the time) the kind of questions only you can answer yourself.

 

[Tango-1]

I have a "ready bag" I bought the backpack at walmart under 10 bucks , it has my Kel-tek Sub 2000 .40sw inside it, I have 5 magazines (glock mags /14 rounds) , it has 1 pr/socks, underwear, extra cammies ,firestarter,etool , compass ,knife /sheath and several other items , I am 50 years old , I work out at the gym , I weigh 265 and am 6'8" and can run 3 miles , I truley believe I could make the 100 miles no problem , but if you work out by eating capncrunch and watching TV your gonna struggle just carrying a 9 on your hip , I was a US Marine , I know what it takes to get there .

Some one said it best , start in light cardio , work your stamina up , cut back on treats also , once your stamina allows it , try putting a pack on , do that until its comfortable , wanna be really rad , put some combat boots on , throw your pack on and run a few miles !

100 miles is a couple days trip , I dont care how fast you walk/run , like the guy said about the civil war vets , if you left with 11 pounds at the end of the trip its gonna feel like a 100 pounds ,!!

Do yourself a favor , PLAN this trip out , theres no hurry , personally Like I said before , strategically located caches is your best bet !

 

[AlphaPie]

I'd add a detail to this question: How much of that ammo would you carry in magazines, IE how many loaded mags?

 

[Nomad1]

First give a thought to having a few caches on your trip MRE Water and other needs.....
Your first days hump will be easy as time goes buy it gets harder each day.
Weight is not your friend.....BSA 50 miler shows up alot......
Your body weight is going to hold you back as well..
As far as pistol three mags should be enough......
Lots of good information posted here........I carried 450 rounds of 5.56 and
within 18 minutes it was gone.....You don't have logistical support......
Most people are not your friend in a total bug out, a 5.56 may be a better choice for weight.......
Just ........ .02

 

[the cow]

well 500 of each is a ton. What i am doing is having a chest rig that holds 6 30 rounders, a double magazine for my gun, i've been debating if i want to carry my drum. Minus the drum, that is 240 rounds of 7.62x39 right there. I also plan on carrying 60-100 more rounds since there are unused pouches in my rig. To be honest, if you need 1000 rounds of ammo, i'd hate to see what life is like if you use that ammo all up...probably zombies.

 

[SLICK75]

well 500 of each is a ton. What i am doing is having a chest rig that holds 6 30 rounders, a double magazine for my gun, i've been debating if i want to carry my drum. Minus the drum, that is 240 rounds of 7.62x39 right there. I also plan on carrying 60-100 more rounds since there are unused pouches in my rig. To be honest, if you need 1000 rounds of ammo, i'd hate to see what life is like if you use that ammo all up...probably zombies.

My thinking is ammo is going to be tough to come by post-SHTF. 1000 rounds is not to get from point A to point B, its to help you survive for an undetermined amount of time after you get there.

If youre really careful, between possible defensive situations and procuring dinner, 1,000 rounds might last you a year. If youre only planning on a 2 month scenario, GREAT, I hope youre right. But Im thinking a little more long term, and Im thinking of a scenario where you may not be able to call the cops to come get the bad guys.

Also, at the rate things are going with our current government ammunition may be a precious commodity long before a SHTF scenario. The more you have today will mean the less you have to buy when the price could sky rocket as has been predicted if many of the prior plans goes into effect.

For example, right now the UN is trying to get our gov to sign off on the Small Arms Treaty. Whats that going to do to the price and availability of SPECIFICALLY 7.62X39 ammo? How many hunting rifles use that caliber round? 5.56 is another caliber that will take a big hit, even though its close enough to .223 that the impact may not be quite as severe, there will definitely be a sharp increase in the cost of ALL ammo.

 

[13FoxTrot10]

It's amazing how many people spend time answering an obvious troll ... does anyone read a whole thread before sharing their time, experience and effort?

 

[Tango-1]

He never said anything about walking 100 miles in his first post , a few posts later he mentions "if you had to walk 100 miles " , he doesnt say I am walking 100 miles , people on here assumed that , obviously you assumed he meant he was walking 100 miles , its very plausible , theres rivers and streams along the way ,, ever been in Oklahoma? theres 100's of miles of nothing , I can pull off the side of the road at a river from my car and get water , same thing with hiding caches of food,ammo,guns,etc , theres lot of places , maybe you should go back and read this topic again !

 

[fire65]

It's amazing how many people spend time answering an obvious troll ... does anyone read a whole thread before sharing their time, experience and effort?

Read the other 45 he posted on the same night.

 

[proventheory]

IMHO, I would not carry more than 500 rounds, if that.

I rather carry extra water.

For me, I know that I will need the water 100% and "maybe" need the ammo.

I have been testing my BOB and weight is always a big factor. Also, the heavier the bag the more your body uses up it's resources.

The way I planned it, was to sacrifice some weight for mobility, therefore getting me to my BOL faster.

 

[MattB4]

Tossing some logic out there.

What is your purpose? Supposedly it is to get to a place that you have a long term chance of survival. Getting into a gun fight will reduce that chance. Carrying any extra weight will reduce that chance. Being seen as target or a threat will reduce that chance.

Unless you travel with a large group that can provide scouts and lookouts you are better to always think of yourself as prey not predator. Anything that slows your responses or dulls your senses is things to avoid. Ideally you should be able to make the trip naked if forced to. Heck you might even have a better chance that way since you have nothing that someone else wants. Unlikely that cannibalism would start in the first couple of days.

 

[Old Grump]

10 miles or 40 miles I don't want to walk with the guy carrying enough ammo for a full engagement and enough guns and blades for an infantry squad because he is going to be noisy, he is going to get tired and he is going to want to drink all my water and eat all my food because he is worn out and dehydrated. If I was Rambo Junior I would exchange those spare 30 round magazines for toilet paper because it's going to be needed worse than the extra ammo. It would also be lighter and quieter and useful for fire starter, trail marking, wound packing or trade goods. :

 

[da_wanderer]

I did a 20 mile hike through the back trails of Smokey Mt. Park last year. My pack weighed 48 lbs with another 8 to 12 lbs of water. I had clothes (2 changes), Mt House food, tent (2 person) sleeping bag, pad, several small knives, small camp stove, machete, pistol (2 magazines), folding saw, propane fuel for the stove, magnesium fire starter, poncho, waterproof cover for the pack, eating utensils and small cookware, I can't remember the rest. I'm 38 years old and 5'8" 200 lbs. I did not prepare for the hike, nor do I work out like I used to. I needed a few days out alone and to see what I was made of. I took my time and spent most of 3 days hiking (do not go up Long Hungry Ridge Trail go Wolf first).

I've dropped the propane stove and fuel (it crapped out on me after the first meal) for an esbit with the cube fuel. I ate trail mix after the first night. I'd lose the smaller knives and machete for a hatchet. I'd dump the tent for some kind of tarp/ultralight set up. Same with the sleeping bag and pad.

No more than 30% of your body weight is what you want to carry. I'd go with some kind of chest rig and 6 magazines. Your loaded AK should weigh about 7 lbs and your ammo about the same, unless you've got an under-folder or are using less than 30 round mags.

You are looking at around 80 lbs with the original kit I carried plus weapon and ammo. You will need 10 days of food rather than the 2 I carried. Your max weight is 93 lbs for your size unless you are obese or otherwise unhealthy.

If you are moving over mountain terrain or something similar for 100 miles you will end up dropping everything you can possibly drop. Always try and test yourself and your equipment. You will never know what will break/work until you do.

 

[usmc0331]

As in, on your person? Like a combat load? Well, situation will dictate, but i say as much as you can and still hump the rest of your gear and have freedom of movement.

For me thats 8-30rnd mags.

 

[home in oz]

Get a .22 rifle and pistol, and you and the wife practice alot with those.

Get lots of .22 ammo, and stash it at the BOL.

Plan to drive.