The day the situation begins. Not the situation as a whole, but at the point that the shortages become widespread.

 

85 days, 12 hours and 2 minutes! : Just messing arround, I dont think that is a question that can be answered without knowing the size and scope of the situation.

 

As long as you have the upper hand, they are polite, same as now.

 

when i read the title of this thread, i thought it was a loaded question.

i've been here 3 days and have met some of the rudest people that i've ever met online.
(i've met some great folks too).
so, i'm guessing that we could assume that some are already 'not polite'.

 

It would depend on individual situations.

If I lived in a metropolitan area, I would have a rifle leaning against every wall/door jam in the house. I would also have a 38 straped to my leg.

If I live in suberbia, I would have a rifle at the front and back doors and a 38 straped to my leg.

Since I live out in the country at my bol, I have a rifle at the front and back doors and a 10-22 in the window of my truck. Most of the neighbors on my road are armed in this way.

If I get hostile visitors, I will have to start loading them up.

 

I live in suberbia I dont think you need that many guns just enough that they get loaded and handed to you and you should be fine empty guns passed back loaded ones passed fowards..

 

...As long as it seemed that there was a return to normalcy on the horizon. As long as official information was broadcast, and confirmed as true by official actions.

If people believed that they would face the societal consequences to which they have been accustomed they would remain, to a margin of error (e.g. some looting/burning, etc. must be expected from the fringe elements of the current culture) within society's constraints.

Once it became apparent that society had collapsed, anarchy would rule. -For a period.

Then, once it became clear (-and it would by the forceful elimination of those simply unable to peacefully coexist) that civility would now be enforced, not by the courts or a call to 9-1-1, but with a bullet, a much more natural order would be re-established.

And of course, once that's established, the need to shoot anyone would be dramatically diminished.

 

I would tend to agree. The first incidences of violence will occur in stores, then spread to homes. City dwellers will take the brunt of it, as those who tend to do these things will hit the low hanging fruit first. For those of us in the rural areas, I would like to thing we would band together with our neighbors for protection and patrol the area. As many of us hold supplies to live for an extended period, there would be less need for us to head to town, and if we do so, we would do so in force

 

I live in southwestern Ohio and last year we got hit with the leftover of a hurricane (can't remember which one). Didnt have electricity for a week (my neighborhood was one of the last on the grid). I helped my neighbor by lending my extra lantern. Overall people were polite, gas stations were giving out free ice because the coolers were off.

My son and I wondered how long would the spirit of helping hands and overall politeness would last.

My feeling is tempers would flare and unease would happen after 2 weeks.

 

Ok, now the original question is different this......but I say, it depends on the folks. In a SHTF, as soon as some folks think the cops can't respond, they set in looting. Some neighbors, will remain civil and helpful thru the whole thing.

 

As Ann Frank said, "Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." I think most people are. I also think that most of the people who die right off will be of the same group.

But really, there will be those who seize the opportunity to cause chaos--I think the rest will maintain as much respect as they can. It maintains the humanity in us to keep as many traditions and customs from before as we can. It's the small things that really matter.

 

People aren't polite now. Why would they be even more polite when shtf?
When's the last time you saw someone smile in public? When's the last time someone held the door for you?

As Gerald Celente says, "When people lose everything and they have nothing left to lose, they lose it."
And that they will.

 

People aren't polite now. Why would they be even more polite when shtf?
When's the last time you saw someone smile in public? When's the last time someone held the door for you?

I guess things are different around here...

 

As soon as the welfare checks bounce: My kids get cranky within a couple hours of not eating. As soon as food and liquor runs out, that's the time "polite" will be removed from our vocabulary.

ROCK6

 

When Mcdees drive thru is not open

Or if there cable goes out. Then they might relise there is a big world out there they didnt know was there.

 

Would have to agree. There are always going to be elements that will attempt to exploit the situation or panic. For those of us who have the necessities, we will be insulated for a time, as I suspect that the first incidences will occur at stores, then homes will be targetedThose in towns and cities will experience the brunt of it, as the types who would do such things will go after the low lying fruit first. For those in rural areas, I think they would be more likely to band together for mutual protection and patrol the area

 

about three missed meals, I'd say. When people realise the supermarket's empty (that's three days) and their cupboards are empty (maybe seven days for most?) and they stop being polite, it's time to go toe to toe and stop carrying one's poncy calvinist niceness around on one's back, drop it at the back door as one picks up and loads the current appropriate values system, a nice quiet 22.

 

I read something once called three meals from chaos, or something like that. Good read.


My thoughts.... As soon as the MSM declares we are in a crisis, we will have about five minutes to get ready.

 

... till till you feel you may need to sit on the porch with a rifle, etc..

If things are bad enough that you need a rifle handy at all times, it would not be prudent to sit on the porch with it.

- OS

 

if things are bad enough that you need a rifle handy at all times, my porch will be sandbagged.

 

Are you kidding? As soon as TSHTF it's going to every man for himself. People already have no respect for each other. For crying outloud I'm listening to the news and an * YEAR OLD GIRL WAS GANG RAPED! The oldest suspect is 14!
I can walk through my place of employment and smile and be pleasant to other people there. At least 50% of the jerks who work there don't even look at you when you walk by in the hall!
Ok, rant over. I'm polite and nice to people because that's how I was raised. People aren't being raised that way, and with so many people from so many different countries in our one country, I'd say it's only going to get worse before it gets better. You all know that though, hence the existence of this board to begin with.
Thank you, have a nice day.

 

If Katrina, the LA riots or the New York City blackout will serve for examples, people will stop being "polite" as soon as they figure out that law enforcement is unable or unwilling to respond.

When they think that there are no consequences for their actions, violence, theft and rape will erupt.

 

i think it depends on where you are located in southern Kalifornia as soon as the sheep realize something is wrong rioting will start. However, in rural Amerika most people will pull together to help each other and those that cause problems will be "purged"

 

As far as I am concerned sitting on your porch with your rifle is being polite. Laying on the roof gunning down anything that moves is down right rude.

 

I posted this link before on this site. I don't think many saw it on here.
Some may be familiar with the account.

I am posting it again, on this thread, because it does show, how quickly things deteriorate, and how quickly chaos starts to reign, and people start to change.

This is a first hand journal report, of a Katrina experience from a New Orleans EMT. (This is a very, very good read, that is extremely well written):

LINK: http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,46497.0.html

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Proverbs 22:3 "A prudent person will foresee such difficulties and prepare for them, while a simpleton will go blindly on and suffer the consequences."

 

I posted this link before on this site. I don't think many saw it on here.
Some may be familiar with the account.

I am posting it again, on this thread, because it does show, how quickly things deteriorate, and how quickly chaos starts to reign, and people start to change.

This is a first hand journal report, of a Katrina experience from a New Orleans EMT. (This is a very, very good read, that is extremely well written):

LINK: http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,46497.0.html

Thanks for posting that. It's nice to remember that there are some good folks dedicated enough to pick up the pieces.

 

I would measure it pretty much in minutes. I mean, come on. People flip out now if the gas station clerk is a little slow ringing up their purchases.

 

As soon as the first looting begins, it will be a free for all. And not the good Ted Nugent kind.

 

I have to say within the first 3 days, probably less, but i dont think any more... At that point there will be blood in the streets for sure! Just think, if power is gone, so will water, and since most cities have no creeks, people will go buy (or kill for) all the water in the stores, and that will be gone in 24 hours or less, after that its all down hill.

 

EXACTAMUNDO, Iron Cowpoke.

Water is the key to everything, followed closely by food and information.

 

Just look at Ike, people were going crazy over water, tuna, gas you name it.

 

I think it depends on what the cisis is and where you live. But not very long whatever the situtation.