I doubt it will end in our lifetimes. This looks like the new normal to me. I don't see any reason the world has to end because Syrians are killing each other. I don't think a war between Israel and Iran would do that either - even if they did nuke each other to ash. It'll probably continue like this indefinitely. Perpetual war seems to be what the arms manufacturers and international bankers want, so why shouldn't they get it?

 

Glass would be good!!!
havent changed my opinion since all them saudi nationals decided to ride planes to meet alah.

 

Only one of two ways. Let me pretend to be god or world dictator at least, if that's what your question presumes.

#1. Admit it that we're now an Empire, and the UK, Israel and Saudi Arabia run our foreign policy now.

or

#2. Get out and develop serious alternative energy: solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen. There's never been peace in that region and there never will be. Only the military industrial complex stands to benefit from our meddling there.

 

Let the Jews and Arabs kill each other.

 

More like let the Jews kill the arabs:thumb:

 

after we get Nuked

then America will rise up and take the gloves off. and quit this pansy crap and say By Bye to Muslims

then the world can move ahead in peace

 

You do realise most muslims are just normal people right? The same as most christians are?

 

They were killing each other from the beginning.

Islam merely gave a new name to those who rise against the Chosen People.

They will kill each other in the End.

 

It won't end until the US .gov has wasted all of OUR money or all of OUR kids.

 

Ultimately it may look like this

 

War by proxy. Let the real enemies fight instead. But the real enemies are also friends so it gets a little complicated... Still this was would go nowhere without external support.

 

I think the OP's post is excellent. It is pretty thorough and informed and underscores why I am so depressed by the subject in recent months.
This may be a reflection of my psychological state on the subject though I think it is more likely a reality but I don't see it changing or ending in any positive way. Nor do I feel like it is going to stabilize, even at this level.
The leaders and forces that used to be able to console, advocate for an interim peace or even have a reasonable conversation with their adversaries are becoming fewer and weaker.
The nations that used to align with the idea that peace is more valued than ideology are falling and the leaders and representatives of such counter ideologies are growing.
National borders are failing and the ability to govern in those nations are failing. They are returning to tribal and militia rule which are squelching prior societal norms.
More and more powerful weapons are falling in to the hands of those participating in these uprisings and the amount and level of savagery is increasing as well.
These non-nation-states are now efficiently connected with one another and the rest of the world, demonstrating that their leaders are knowledgeable and educated in advanced technology and techniques to market to potential supporters and to send fear to their adversaries.
These same radicalized groups have found ways to self-fund (via captured oil resources, bank hacking and ransoms).
More and more individuals around the world are leaning to provide implicit and increasingly explicit support for these groups.
There are a lot of other indicators but I am at loss to find a significant positive trend.
Whether you are a scientist, a politician or a member of the military it's historically accurate to say that it takes energy to maintain order. Whether that's described as 'entropy', or 'society' or 'structure', without a continued application of peaceful reasoning and action, the area will continue to degenerate. And I believe that it has reached and surpassed the tipping point to halt or even retard the degeneration of the area. And in a very relevant example, the ability to be 100% sure that nuclear material from Russia, Pakistan, Iran or elsewhere does not fall in to the hands of these organizations is not achievable. The energy to prevent that is never could guarantee a perfect result and that energy is weakening while the desire to acquire those materials is growing. And once that happens, that such materials are acquired by the extremists, it will be used both in the ME and in the western world irrevocably changing our planet and civilization.
That will not be the final outcome, but it will mark the next big point of the downslide.
And while we are publicly fretting out the fate of one young women, two Japanese non-military, or one Jordanian pilot all of which contribute to slowing and diluting our ability to strategize and act, the downward slide continues.
B

 

Prediction?...WW3 preceded/followed by terrible hard times...The Great Depression/Dust Bowl type stuff cubed and squared...better get used to flour and water and being glad you have that

 

I'll quote Eisenhower again, warning us about the business of war, the military-industrial complex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex

While this is perpetuated, I feel that there is really no end in sight for us to keep hanging out in the litter box, aka the Middle East. Kurds, turds, not much difference.

 

It's hard to get clarity on such a murky issue. I'd say what's going on now is the new normal. With the world being much smaller than it was just 20 years ago, I suspect radical Muslims will continue to strike at America. Arabs will continue their failure to evolve, hatred of Jews, America and other Muslim sects. The only thing that will keep them in line is force/ fear. Hopefully, in the future that will come from local entities more than the US, but I predict continued American presence in the Gulf (especially as republicans are about to take office).

 

Go back to George W. Bush days. IMO the plan was to start a war that would raise oil prices and never end. ISIS is the Bush's wild card in the game of screw everyone. If your the Saudis, you love Bush! Russia will be the next wonderful player in the game of oil money. Ukraine is only a small piece of what will soon be the new Russian empire!

 

History has shown, no one needs a war or a reason to raise oil prices. Infact they didn't go up until Obama was running for President. And stayed that way until just recently. I'm not a Bush fan but after seven years of by far the absolute worst President in US history, The man that has made Carter look like the second coming of George Washington. And you and a few other of your looney liberals comrades are STILL complaining about bush, Its got to be time to seek professional help.

 

Radioactive glass is inevitable for that region. World War either bringing in that region or the Balkans. Not sure which one will spark it first. But I am sure it's in it's infancy.

 

In five billion years the Sun will expand and fry the Earth.

THEN things will get quiet in the Middle East.

Short of that, I expect continued fighting.

 

The first and second most recent stock market crashes happened in the middle of Bush's presidency. The bank crash and real estate crash happened in the middle as well. Oil prices were sky high under Bush. The "in this economy" saying was in full swing under Bush. Bush brought America 8 years of war and gloom.

Obama takes over and lo and behold the stock market rebounds to epic new highs after several years. I bought gas for $1.90 a gallon. I've been gainfully employed throughout his entire 6+ years. We are stepping out of the Middle East conflict finally, despite being deeply rooted there due to Bush Jr. and his boss Mr. Cheney's previous endeavors.

Yet people still say Obama is the worst prez we've had...

 

I do not wish to derail the thread and am a firm believer that you can't fix stupid.

Carry On

 

The way I see it, without U.S. interference, they would still be throwing rocks at each other from camels and cutting each other's heads off with swords. They would not be a threat to anyone. The various groups of islam have hated each other since they started.

The problem came in when the U.S. started buying their oil, in exchange for U.S. $, which they then purchased U.S. weapons for. It's all about money and for all these years, I am pretty sure the U.S. actually benefits from all this financially. First, the U.S. gets the cheap oil, then the military industrial complex benefits, and ultimately all those big U.S. companies that export obesidiy and diabetes all over the planet ( Coca Cola, McDonalds, etc) get established in those countries and the U.S. benefits again.

I see it end when one of those countries gets a nuke and actually uses it and WWIII starts. Or when all of western civilization is gone because islam has huge birthrates while the west is declining. I think eventually, if we don't destroy each other first, there will mostly be islamic people, some catholics, and poor third world people that don't have birthcontrol. The world will go into another dark age.

I am already a little sorry and feel a little guilty about putting kids into this crappy world. I hope they don't have to experience that kind of world, but it might happen faster than we think and happen in my own lifetime.

 

We finally give up and go home. We have energy independence and let them fight it out.

 

That sums it up for me. Anything the US does only makes the situation worse and worse. We really have a limited understanding of what they're all about.

 

At some point one of the more radical groups WILL get their hands on either a primitive fission device or, Heaven forbid?
An actual thermonuclear fusion bomb and they WILL touch it off near one of the larger Jewish populations like? Say?
Tel Aviv? New York? London?

Then the effort from the west will no longer be about the individuals committing these acts but rather a massive attempt at eradicating the culture producing them and the societies that are supporting them.

It's pretty much inevitable guys and gals. One of the most urgent reasons to keep prepping.:thumb:


Wyldman out.:

 

Guessing at possibilities:

1) A catastrophic attack(s) on the United States. Resulting in fierce retaliation. Regardless of who is president. Escalating into significant destructive warfare by all sides. The eventual result is a very damaged Middle East and, yes, peace.

2) The Obama administration is replaced by one (left or right) that is not so tolerant of the escalating bad behavior and the massive loss of life that accompanies it. Leading us into another, similar, Middle Eastern war.

3) The future American policy follows Obama's lead of "hands off", which serves to embolden some, and bodes poorly for others. Middle Eastern governments trend towards militant/authoritarian Islamification. The Middle East continues the trend towards absolute evil, while millions suffer and die.

 

According to Danny and Johnny and Obie, a whole bunch of countries are going to attack Israel, but get their asses handed to them. But what the heck do they know, they've only been right about a whole bunch of stuff over the last 3000 years.

 

A glass parking lot...........and do it NOW.. how many scumbags can you fit in one desert?

...frontloader

 

When the oil runs out in the Middle East, they will all go back to herding goats and riding camels, and fighting between themselves as to which sect is right.

“My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel.”

Rashid bin Saeed Al Maktoum, founding father of Dubai.

 

That or we move on to energy sources other than oil. Then it's just a desert.

 

Civilizations, nations and empires that have tried to destroy the Jewish people.

Ancient Egypt. Status? X gone.:thumb:
Philistines. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Assyrian empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Babylonian empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Persian empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Greek empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Roman empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Byzantine empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Crusaders. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Spanish empire. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Nazi Germany. Status? X gone. :thumb:
Soviet Union. Status? X gone. :thumb:
ISIS. Status?????
Iran. Status?????