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Anyone look at zillow to gauge an estimate of where their house value stands? Well, I do...yesterday my house was standing at 255K (75K less than what I purchased it for)...today it is at 238K!!! I live south of Seattle and so far, we haven't been hit as hard as some places but looks like that might be changing now. :(:mad:
 

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Don't Take Zillow too seriously. As a certified residential appraiser I can tell you that their computer model paints with very broad strokes. I've seen plus or minus 25% in a number of cases.

Unless you plan on selling tomorrow I wouldn't worry about it. If you do, then hire a local professional to tell you what is your property is actually worth. A real appraisal involves a physical inspection of your property to judge quality, condition and special features. I don't know how they'll ever be able to do that with a computer model, you need a man (or woman)on the ground.
 

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Well, I know they are usually off a bit but I use them as a general guage and don't like seeing that large of a drop. Our home has dropped slowly over the last few years but this is the first drop I've seen of this magnitude. It isn't just my area, either. I checked on my mom's home (she lives in FL) and her home dropped significantly (17K) today, also. We aren't looking to sell at all but knowing that we could pay our mortgage for the next ten years and STILL not have equity (if the price stays the same as it is), is quite disheartening.
 

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I was wondering when Case-Shiller would finally admit it.. the data finally got so bad even they couldn't spin it anymore...


http://www.cnbc.com/id/43395857

US Housing Crisis Is Now Worse Than Great Depression
HOUSING, REAL ESTATE, HOME PRICES, DEPRESSION, GREAT DEPRESSION, ECONOMY
Posted By: Jeff Cox | CNBC.com Staff Writer
CNBC.com
| 14 Jun 2011 | 12:04 PM ET


It's official: The housing crisis that began in 2006 and has recently entered a double dip is now worse than the Great Depression.

Prices have fallen some 33 percent since the market began its collapse, greater than the 31 percent fall that began in the late 1920s and culminated in the early 1930s, according to Case-Shiller data.

The news comes as the Federal Reserve considers whether the economy has regained enough strength to stand on its own and as unemployment remains at a still-elevated 9.1 percent, throwing into question whether the recovery is real.

"The sharp fall in house prices in the first quarter provided further confirmation that this housing crash has been larger and faster than the one during the Great Depression," Paul Dales, senior economist at Capital Economics in Toronto, wrote in research for clients.

According to Case-Shiller, which provides the most closely followed housing industry data, prices dropped 1.9 percent in the first quarter, a move that the firm interpreted as a clear double dip in prices.

Moreover, Dales said prices likely have not completed their downturn.

"The only comfort is that the latest monthly data show that towards the end of the first quarter prices started to fall at a more modest rate," he said. "Nonetheless, prices are likely to fall by a further 3 percent this year, resulting in a 5 percent drop over the year as a whole."

Prices continue to tumble despite affordability, which by most conventional metrics is near historic highs.

The rate for a 30-year conventional mortgage is around 4.5 percent, just above the historic low of 4.2 percent in October 2010. The ratio measuring mortgage costs to renting is 7 percent below its norm, while the price-to-income ratio is 23 percent below its average, Dale said.

Yet other factors are constraining the market.

After the fallout from the subprime debacle, in which millions lost their homes when they defaulted on loans they could not afford, banks changed underwriting standards.

More than four in every five mortgages now require a down payment of 20 percent, and credit history standards have tightened. At the same time, foreclosures continue at a brisk pace, pushing more supply onto the market and pressuring prices downward.

Then there is the issue of underwater homeowners—those who owe more than their house is worth—representing another 23 percent of homeowners who cannot leave or are in danger of mortgage default.

Indeed, the foreclosure problem is unlikely to get any better with 4.5 million households either three payments late or in foreclosure proceedings. The historical average is 1 million, according to Dales' research.

The only bright spot Dales found, aside from the slowing in price drop in March, was some isolated strength in states such as Nevada, Michigan, South Dakota, Alaska and Iowa.

© 2011 CNBC.com
 
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Around my neck of the woods, they don't generally like to loan more than 3x your annual income. So even I were making into the 6-figures myself, I'd have been hesitant to buy at that end of the spectrum.

The real effect of this drop isn't raw dollars, it's the control factor. People underwater are more easily controlled, less liable to change jobs, certainly less liable to move, etc. But I think the banksters have played their hand too well, and we'll start seeing increasing numbers of strategic defaults. When a house becomes a prison, something is wrong somewhere.

Anyone look at zillow to gauge an estimate of where their house value stands? Well, I do...yesterday my house was standing at 255K (75K less than what I purchased it for)...today it is at 238K!!! I live south of Seattle and so far, we haven't been hit as hard as some places but looks like that might be changing now. :(:mad:
 

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That's why government has no incentive to get tough on the multi-national lenders. They're enjoying their spoils also. Massive spike in taxation, but no taxpayer relief when the bubble burst.

And before anyone starts parroting "big government", think again. It's the vendors and contractors, the military industrial complex, foreign aid recipients, bailed out banksters and "rebuilding" money that really enjoy the benefits of high taxes. Not some civil servant at $40K/year somewhere who's being squeezed every year for health insurance, etc.

....and your tax appraisal is doing what? Not being bitter or anything. A couple of years ago our taxes nearly doubled-right about when housing drops were making the news.
 

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Anyone look at zillow to gauge an estimate of where their house value stands? Well, I do...yesterday my house was standing at 255K (75K less than what I purchased it for)...today it is at 238K!!! I live south of Seattle and so far, we haven't been hit as hard as some places but looks like that might be changing now. :(:mad:
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Unfortunately, things haven't bottomed out, yet. The NW is always the last part of the country to go into recession.....and the last area to recover from that, too. This time, it is recession with a capital D.

It took a while for the drop in housing values to make it into the NW. But, it did finally get here.
 

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And you wont admit that you pumped-it HARD for the mortgage company/broker to get that loan done? Isnt it referrals that get you guys work? Where do the referrals come from? Is it the new homeowner that got an awesome deal because you realistically appraised a home or is it because the broker got a good number from you to get the deal done? I assume you are the ONE honest "appraiser" (ie; mortgage bank employee) out there.

Seriously?

The housing market, that ONE SAFE investment the average American had, has been and IS being picked clean. Joe Blow Sheeple has no idea how they have been RIPPED of their "American Dream". Next Up? Retirement Funds.

And no, I'm NOT upside down on my mortgage. Full disclosure.

There are a few careers I would never admit to in public....
1. Broker
2. Banker
3. Appraiser
 

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And you wont admit that you pumped-it HARD for the mortgage company/broker to get that loan done? Isnt it referrals that get you guys work? Where do the referrals come from? Is it the new homeowner that got an awesome deal because you realistically appraised a home or is it because the broker got a good number from you to get the deal done? I assume you are the ONE honest "appraiser" (ie; mortgage bank employee) out there.

Seriously?

The housing market, that ONE SAFE investment the average American had, has been and IS being picked clean. Joe Blow Sheeple has no idea how they have been RIPPED of their "American Dream". Next Up? Retirement Funds.

And no, I'm NOT upside down on my mortgage. Full disclosure.

There are a few careers I would never admit to in public....
1. Broker
2. Banker
3. Appraiser
Whoa, give the guy a break. You don't know his circumstances or what he was even doing before the crash to have any involvement in it (or if he was even an appraiser then). Not everyone in those professions are all evil-doers with crimes against humanity. Sheesh.

I remember buying a house in Bay Area at the time, and an appraiser would come in and value something at $750k and it would get bid up to $900k and the buyer would cut a check for the difference... it was irresponsibility of the bankers and brokers and buyers for the most part, I wouldn't put the appraisers into the same bucket with some of those guys. How do you value something? Well, one huge part of the equation is what the market is willing to pay... The market was going nuts.
 

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And you wont admit that you pumped-it HARD for the mortgage company/broker to get that loan done? Isnt it referrals that get you guys work? Where do the referrals come from? Is it the new homeowner that got an awesome deal because you realistically appraised a home or is it because the broker got a good number from you to get the deal done? I assume you are the ONE honest "appraiser" (ie; mortgage bank employee) out there.

Seriously?

The housing market, that ONE SAFE investment the average American had, has been and IS being picked clean. Joe Blow Sheeple has no idea how they have been RIPPED of their "American Dream". Next Up? Retirement Funds.

And no, I'm NOT upside down on my mortgage. Full disclosure.

There are a few careers I would never admit to in public....
1. Broker
2. Banker
3. Appraiser
Tex that was rather harsh, let me guess, you're a real estate agent without sin, no?
 

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I remember buying a house in Bay Area at the time, and an appraiser would come in and value something at $750k and it would get bid up to $900k and the buyer would cut a check for the difference...
You again? You're amusing, I hope you're talking the early eighties, phone booths in the Bay Area were pushing $600K during that time. Still, all things considered, I'm impressed. :D:
 

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Don't Take Zillow too seriously. As a certified residential appraiser I can tell you that their computer model paints with very broad strokes. I've seen plus or minus 25% in a number of cases.

Unless you plan on selling tomorrow I wouldn't worry about it. If you do, then hire a local professional to tell you what is your property is actually worth. A real appraisal involves a physical inspection of your property to judge quality, condition and special features. I don't know how they'll ever be able to do that with a computer model, you need a man (or woman)on the ground.
Cowboy does USPAP permit MLS photos to be used in a report?
 
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