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The real homeless problem is also the do gooders who compulsively hand cash over to obvious strung out junkies.

As you know, my home flooded from a burst pipe. I went to the sporting goods store near an affluent mall so I could get a cheap camping cot because I'm too old, fat, and stiff, to sleep on the hard floor. :rofl:

There was an obvious junkie sitting outside compulsively chain smoking and begging from passers-by.

1. Store owners need to get trespassing forms filed with the PD and call police to run these guys off.

2. People need to find another way to feel good about themselves rather than supporting a junkie.

3 If they cannot beg easily, and no one is giving them money, they will be forced to get clean and seek gainful employment.

One time I was riding in a carpool and we pulled up on an intersection and there's a beggar. This guy had clearly never taken his meds and was alarmingly scary. He approached the vehicle. The old lady on the passenger side put down her window and began groping in her purse. The driver put up the window and then locked it.

The old woman began screaming at him and beating on the back of his seat, sobbing and saying she HAD to give (this freak) money because if she didn't her granddaughter would be raped and murdered by a serial killer. The only way, she told us, to prevent it was by her giving (the freak) a $5 bill. The driver said no and drove off. She screamed and cried about this all the way to her drop off.

Thinking like this - I have to give because he is less than, and I can become more by putting money in his hand - is just wrong. The whole "karma" thinking.

I don't believe in Karma or "the universe" or any of that bull****. I believe in God. I also believe in the Bible which clearly states "He who will not work, let him also not eat".

You CANNOT be any clearer than that.
 
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So PurpleKitty....would you begrudge or look down your nose at a person standing at that intersection holding a sign being a homeless vet or advertising looking for a job. I hope not, but by your comments dont think so....not to bust balls. There are more reasons and issues behind people's being homeless than most people will dedicate to knowing why and how these people have gotten there. Did you know that in certain areas of the country if you get disabled and dont pay you child support you will be jailed; or that having bad or no credit will stop you from getting a job, not just a car or home. People dont leave because they are so beaten down that they think the problem(s) are everywhere. I dont fault you for your opinion but for a lot of people and most politicians as long as they dont see it they have no problem with the problems all the while they are actively not looking or care. If we dont come together as a nation to address the issues that effect our brothers and sisters, if not us; we are no better than the problems and politicians we scream about.

Another point of the problem here in California is that the people and politicians act and believe that areas 120-150 miles away are suburbs of these Metro areas. I know a lot of us commute from our lil place of sunshine, but when does our commute time become too much? It was a choice for me to decide was cheaper rents and 6-8 hours commuting (3-4 hours each way) working 1 job worth me not seeing my kids or working local having to work 2 fulltime jobs just to afford to do the same; it was a no brainer while the kids were young, had to be close for emergency. But being only 1 paycheck away from disaster; a broken down vehicle, extended illness or injury just to name a couple can put you so far under most wouldnt recover without major disruptions in their lives. Myself personally I have been where I'm talking about and thank God for my thinking and SHTF planning now, but I didnt know it before and had to restart from the gutter several times....
 

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Wl, I have experience with the homeless because they often frequent areas near bus stops I use. ALL OF THEM ADDICTS. I DETEST ADDICTS. Many of them also mentally ill, refusing diagnosis and treatment - I did not - so I am supposed to fork over my dollars so they can "live a better life"? NO they chose that life when they refused medication. They refused that life when they picked up the bottle/needle, whatever. They are not very nice people when they are not begging or you refuse them your hard earned money.

I may sound like a bitch but I have two serious disabilities of my own, I don't even drive, I work and am a caregiver in addition to that - I take my medication as directed, NO drink NO drugs live responsibly and am a burden to NO ONE. I keep a train wreck human being, my husband, out of a nursing home saving the taxpayers THOUSANDS a month.

Even with the drama I am currently having NO hand out begging for money NO pity parties nothing. Just me living responsibly.

If someone is irresponsible and steals (doesn't pay back credit cards, etc) they will have bad credit. There are a ton of day labor places here in Houston that are NOT THAT PICKY about hiring - one woman makes a good living standing at an intersection handing out brochures for an apartment complex. She is always smiling and happy.

GET YOUR ASS TO A MORE AFFORDABLE AREA AND QUIT WHINING.
 

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There is no 100% solution to the problem as there will always be a segment of society that will be X (homeless, criminal, drug addicted, poor, successful, smart stupid etc.)

The only reason some states have a more of a homelessness problem than others is usually climate driven, which is pretty obvious.

Other than that, cities could do some urban planning to deter the homeless from setting up camp. Sloped surfaces, bench dividers, heavily textured surfaces, closed off vestibules and entry ways, security fencing, gravel instead of grass, condemning properties, removal of trees and other shade objects, inaccessible garbage cans, narrowing sidewalks, privatizing once public spaces, noise generators, manure fertilizing, bee attractant planting and a whole bunch of other stealthy tactics that make urban homelessness inhospitable.


I've thought about another obscure and unconventional method too.

Homelessness in America has a rather unique social dynamic than other parts of the world. While the causes for homelessness is sort of universal (drugs, mental health, bad nurturing, poverty) the homeless here operate way different than the homeless overseas.

While the American homeless do tend to cluster, there is a certain independence in thought and action. Overseas homelessness they cluster like the Americans but there is usually a social structure, organization and hierarchy.

So my idea is this: state government's can "seed" the homeless population with a leadership figure. Have them indoctrinate and instill universal values via incentives. Then have the federal government give up some parcels of federally held land in the respective state (far enough away from civilization to not cause problems yet close enough to get amenities) so the homeless leader can lead his flock to the "promise land" stocked with the minimum to build something better than a shanty and but worse than a suburb.

Integrate them into to there own little enclave enough to motivate them into integrating into society at large. The seeded leader will sort of be the overseer that sets the rules and maintains legal, moral, lifestyle and general order. He would encourage them to take care of themselves and their surrounding environment and encourage them to get the help they need or face expulsion and disenfranchisement.

I guarantee its cheaper than the billions upon billions spent every year that has done nothing for the problem except band aid it and cover it up.


At the end of the day humans are rather gregarious and whether they know it or not, need structure and order/discipline from an authority type figure. The feeling of belonging to an intimate group or being ostracized from said group can be an extremely powerful motivator.
 

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Then have the federal government give up some parcels of federally held land in the respective state (far enough away from civilization to not cause problems yet close enough to get amenities) so the homeless leader can lead his flock to the "promise land" stocked with the minimum to build something better than a shanty and but worse than a suburb.

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While not the worst idea I have heard, it is still just hiding or relocating the problem. No different than the cruise ship or bus tickets ideas. And I cannot support anything that forces me to "give" (by taxation/theft). This time it happens to be land instead of cash. And yes, I have a claim to that land, it belongs to the Citizens of the US the same as any "Federal" Land. If the bleeding hearts want to donate to charity, so be it but when the government forces me to "donate" (taxes) it becomes theft. Get the government out of the charity business. That is step one.
 

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While not the worst idea I have heard, it is still just hiding or relocating the problem. No different than the cruise ship or bus tickets ideas. And I cannot support anything that forces me to "give" (by taxation/theft). This time it happens to be land instead of cash. And yes, I have a claim to that land, it belongs to the Citizens of the US the same as any "Federal" Land. If the bleeding hearts want to donate to charity, so be it but when the government forces me to "donate" (taxes) it becomes theft. Get the government out of the charity business. That is step one.
You already pay for it though.

BLM charges millions of dollars to "maintain" middle of nowhere land. Plus this gives federal land, back to the states giving sovereign control back to the states (muh states rights!).

Also the billions spent by states and large municipalities that do absolutely nothing for the homeless (via taxes) this in theory could be a far cheaper solution that offers reintegration instead of homeless camps and open air toilets next to your house or place of business.
 

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A lot of the ways of solving the homeless problem assumes the homeless want a home and will put any effort in maintaining it. Many homeless would but many have no interest in in having a home either because of drugs, mental illness or personal beliefs.

For those homeless who want a home,I think getting rid of or severally reducing building code on owner built single family homes would allow many people to work their way towards having a home. Other than maybe requiring a smoke alarm and a way to deal with waste building codes do more harm than good.

Because of building codes many low income families are cornered into high rent in a place they dont want to live in and no ability to save up to improve their situation.

The way this country was built was by people building and living in tiny dirt floor shacks that they slowly fixed ylup and added on to as they had spare time, supplies and money. Because of building codes that is no longer an option for most people.
 

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I`ve always believed pull your own weight or perish. It happens in all species. I would bet if these people were told you will perish if you don`t work they would start to work and pull their own weight.
These days, I expect you would lose that bet....

The left does NOT want to fix it. They want to expand it. Why?

Like most leftist man made disasters, they created a problem that has grown too big and will be hard to fix and probably cause a lot of suffering to get to a solution.

Here's a few that have ruined society and driven people to financial ruin, and homelessness:

* Ruin of the family unit thru a myriad of leftists feminist ideals.
* Easy and wide access to drugs.
* High taxation.
* Anti-business policies.
* Housing regulations.
* Ruin of public education (teaching nonsense instead of fundamentals).
* Destruction of gender norms.
* Attacks on religion and destruction of decency.
* Filth in entertainment, promoting decayed morality.

Add it all up and you get rampant gutted human relations and infrastructure and deep poverty. You also get an uneducated, powerless, poverty stricken culture population deep in despair, irrational, driven by emotions, and easy to rile up and control.
It amounts to a culture war that's been waged since the 1960s without letup or pause. And now we're reaping the tares that got sowed in our educational system decades back.
 

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A lot of the ways of solving the homeless problem assumes the homeless want a home and will put any effort in maintaining it. Many homeless would but many have no interest in in having a home either because of drugs, mental illness or personal beliefs.

For those homeless who want a home,I think getting rid of or severally reducing building code on owner built single family homes would allow many people to work their way towards having a home. Other than maybe requiring a smoke alarm and a way to deal with waste building codes do more harm than good.

Because of building codes many low income families are cornered into high rent in a place they dont want to live in and no ability to save up to improve their situation.

The way this country was built was by people building and living in tiny dirt floor shacks that they slowly fixed ylup and added on to as they had spare time, supplies and money. Because of building codes that is no longer an option for most people.
The building codes are fine for single family homes around here. Mostly they are just in place so that you don't cause a firestorm in your suburb or turn your block into a swamp of sewage or your house doesn't topple over.

Apartments, high rises and condos probably have a little more stringent code.

The code just tells you how to build and what materials to use.

What is expensive and time consuming (and time is money) is the permits, blueprinting, inspections and engineering.

You can't really buy non-fire code drywall or old knob and tube electric stuff or asbestos siding around here.

Its not a big deal to set your studs a certain width, install fire blocks, use romex or multi wire conduit etc.

Plus there is a big difference on working on old construction vs. building new construction from scratch when it comes to what is allowed and what isn't.

The local government can't force me to get an asbestos abatement and re-side my house, tear down the walls to put in fire breaks or insulate every square inch of house but they can force that on new construction.
 

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You already pay for it though.

BLM charges millions of dollars to "maintain" middle of nowhere land. Plus this gives federal land, back to the states giving sovereign control back to the states (muh states rights!).

Also the billions spent by states and large municipalities that do absolutely nothing for the homeless (via taxes) this in theory could be a far cheaper solution that offers reintegration instead of homeless camps and open air toilets next to your house or place of business.
:confused: :confused:

The fact that the .gov is already raping me for taxes does absolutely nothing to justify your argument.

Just because they are already ****ing me in the ass doesn't mean I might as well like it.
 

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It's not the building codes that are the problem.....its the city government development offices and their well educated but not intelligent policies that are screwing up our cities; this mentality that oh I went to college and let's burn down the poor part of town so we can build our version of Ancient Rome and dedicate it to ourselves attitude.
 

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I disagree on code. A few examples.


Here you cant move into a building until the wiring and plumbing are done. And unless you claim to be amish you cant build a house without wiring and plumbing. That could ad 20,000 to the upfront cost of a house and 60,000 by the time you have paid off a 30 year loan.

You also can't build a house without insulation. Insulation usually requires 2x6 studs instead of 2x4.

You cant build with upgraded lumber. I own a sawmill but it is against the law to build with my own lumber.

I could build a house for about$5000. No furnace, no foundation, no running water and add to it as I have money. But all those things are illegal. Unless of course you are amish or built before 2005 when building codes came to this area. It isnt as though houses were death traps before then so in my mind enforcing building codes on owner/builders only helps make the poor poorer and banks and landloards and the companies that make the products now required by code richer.


I'd be willing to admit in densely populated areas more stringent code may protect neighbors.

As far as becoming an open sewer, Wisconsin property tax law appears to be specefficly designed to turn all our lakes, rivers and swamps into sewers by charging 1/10 the tax on pasture then on non farm land. It causes people to run cattle on land that should not have cows on it and the runoff ends up in our water.
 

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I live in a county of about 14,000. Have all my life. Then closest counties to the east and west probably have about 20-25,000.

Until about 10 years ago I had never known of anyone being homeless in this county and seldom read of any in the news in the other 2.

Now, almost every police report in all 3 have at least one homeless person listed. There are also a couple of men that hang out at the local Mc D. And BK until they ate run out that are homeless. I don't know the situations of all of them of course but most in the police reports are being picked up for drugs.
 

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It is "dual diagnosis" bipolar with drug/alcohol addition. I would bet my next check on it.

People don't want to take medication because it means accepting they are mentally ill and many can't. That is one of the few cases I think counseling would help.

I just take my damn pills already and no drama.

About 1-3% of the population are bipolar or otherwise severely mentally ill and about half of them are addicted.
 

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OP, your question implies TPTB in those cities want to “solve” the problem. They don’t.

It’s just like any other excuse for more government power. They create the circumstances that propagate their own existence/power well into the future. The Old Break-Never-Fix.

Europe’s Globo-Socialists do it with mass migration. They open the flood gates knowing the newcomers will never assimilate and will also cause societal problems (like terrorism), which gives them the excuse to enlarge government. The Alphabet agencies in the US do it with things like drugs and crime.

With the homeless, the lefty politicians say they can fix the problem, they just need more of your tax dollars to do it. Meanwhile they are quite literally creating the circumstances for the problem to get far worse.


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OP, your question implies TPTB in those cities want to “solve” the problem. They don’t.

It’s just like any other excuse for more government power. They create the circumstances that propagate their own existence/power well into the future. The Old Break-Never-Fix.

Europe’s Globo-Socialists do it with mass migration. They open the flood gates knowing the newcomers will never assimilate and will also cause societal problems (like terrorism), which gives them the excuse to enlarge government. The Alphabet agencies in the US do it with things like drugs and crime.

With the homeless, the lefty politicians say they can fix the problem, they just need more of your tax dollars to do it. Meanwhile they are quite literally creating the circumstances for the problem to get far worse.


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The politican equation needs an underclass of hopelessly poor..
 

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The politican equation needs an underclass of hopelessly poor..
This is absolutely correct. Democrats especially require a permanent underclass. As I pointed out previously, since the declaration of LBJ's Great War on Poverty, we still have poor people, homeless people, and hungry people in this country all with no end in sight. With the hundreds of billions if not trillions that have been spent, how can that be? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.
 

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What part of most of you dont get that affordability and availability of housing being a problem that no matter how much you work you cannot get a home.....
What you don’t get is that you are looking at the world through Kalifornia tinted glasses.

You want to rent a house without making $7,500 a month? Or maybe buy a 4 bedroom house with 1/2 acre of land for under $200K?

Move your stupid butt to a place that isn’t controlled by leftists.:cool:
Yeah, Kalifornia is beautiful. But you apparently can’t afford to live there unless you make double what every other state requires. We have the same issues, Park City, the ski resort town, is so expensive they had to give a near million dollar home to their school district superintendent to get her to move there. Never mind that her husband is a surgeon and they were going to buy a house anyway...she still got the house. Because leftists be stoopid.


Meanwhile...99% of the homeless can’t or won’t hold a job to earn $500 a month...so your “problem” isn’t the actual problem at all.
 

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The real homeless problem is also the do gooders who compulsively hand cash over to obvious strung out junkies.
Several times I have been to NYC on missions trips from church.

We were always told not to give cash out to anyone. If a homeless person came up begging for money, offer to buy them a meal. The vast majority of the time, they weren't interested in a meal, even if that's what they said they were going to use the money for. The few times they did take you up on your offer, you got to spend 15-30 minutes with a decent person and hear their story. It was also a good time to share the Gospel with them (these were trips with my church).

One instance that stands out to me was there was a pizza place directly behind me, and a guy wanted money for food, said he hadn't eaten anything but what he got out of the dumpsters, and he was so hungry for a hot meal, any little bit I could spare would be great.

Since we were less than 10 feet from the entrance of a pizza place, I offered to buy him a couple slices. He said no, he doesn't like pizza, can I just give him some money instead?
 
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