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As the economy continues to wind down in this slow death spiral, we will at some point see the dam that holds back the sewage pond of our gentile society burst and come flowing out into our day to day lives.

We all see the desperate situation that state and local governments are in. Crumbling infrastructure, education funding collapsing, reduced police and fire protections and the cutting back of social programs are all things that we see every day.

Now our politicians have finally publicly recognized that we have a debt crisis. They would never have done this if not for our creditors demanding reforms. As the clowns in Washington D.C. act out in a three ring circus, they are behind closed doors trying to figure out how to keep this fragile egg from crumbling before them.

The Federal Reserve recently made the claim that if the debt ceiling was not raised, Congress would have to cut the budget 40% across the board. Well no matter what happens with the fight over the debt ceiling, the budget is 40% out of wack!

So bring on the pain. Don't kid yourself, because it is coming. Our creditors have demanded it and they have the right to.

We no longer have the means to repair the dam that holds back the sewage and discarded in our society. As the budget is cut to keep our creditors at bay, cuts will allow that dam to crumble.

We got a touch of this just a while back when sky rocketing gas prices caught police agencies off guard. Many police departments around the country cut back patrols. In San Fransisco people were told that police would not show up to investigate except in the most extreme cases.

And this is just the beginning.

As the budgets are slashed, jails will be turning inmates out. Look at the overcrowding in California. Because of California's debt they can not afford to build new prisons or outsource their prisoners out of state. Now with the Supreme courts ruling that forces California to fix their overcrowding problems, it looks as though California has no choice but to turn criminals loose back on the streets. Remember as goes California, so does much of the rest of the states who are in no better situation.

The first round of budget cuts always includes benefits for those who are a drain on society. The poor who for what ever reason are incapable of dealing with life and can not fend for themselves. Without the help of the nanny state they will be homeless. They will be without housing, food rations and medical care. Over night we could create a class of desperate people roaming our streets looking for scraps.

At the same time the care for the mentally ill will be scaled back. Do not think that this is only for those in state care. This is also everyone who is subsidized by state medical. Think about how many people in this life are now on some sort of psychotropic drug. This includes overworked house wives, stressed out business men and up to 20% of the children in our schools. What happens when all these people can no longer afford their drugs and the state quits handing them out? We could literally see zombies walking the streets. Many people are now dependent on the drugs they have been taking to keep them from going off the deep end. We see stories every day in the news where someone goes cold turkey off their psychotropic candy and go on some violent bent.

With crumbling infrastructure, the rise of criminals being put back on the street, the mentally unstable uncontrolled and the lack of funds to put the genie back in the bottle; we can expect hell and all of it's chaos unleashed on our gentile lives.

UP For Discussion:
-What do you see as a potential problems because of the lack of budget funding?

-What kind of response could there be from the federal government if any?

-How will this effect the prepper? A slow descent vrs. a total collapse?
 

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Well in many cases the programs to be cut are as worthless as the people who created them. Funding for study of that rat in California, Funding for teen lovers on the sex offenders registry(which my State has fixed) This cut injures no one and saves Michigan millions by releasing teen lovers from the registry.
Studies by libtards regarding bugs, fish, the removal of many dams and hydroelectric plants. These studies are first on the chopping block and there are tens of thousands of them.

Many of the cuts will have zero impact on people. But also there is a huge movement to buy American again and about time. My client base has soared in the last two years as many Musky fishermen are opting for our high quality lures instead of cheap Chinese Plastic ones. With a little tweak in the trade laws meaning some moderate protectionism tariffs put in place and Ill be able to hire three men. But until someone throttles China Im not hiring anyone. I simply cant afford to.

So yes cut cut cut, cut the fat first and then lets get down to the tough ones. Lets close a few military bases, lets start paying 5.99 for a hammer instead of 300 bucks. If we just clean up the waste and fraud we can find about 30% of the money we need. Lets get insurance companies OUT of health care period. They run a 40% overhead so of every dollar they get only 60% goes to paying for treatment. But I also dont want Government running it. W e need a trust find set up for all the monies to go into run by doctors, patients and a couple of representatives. A non profit healthcare fund. W e also need corporations out of Hospitals. Corporations turn hospitals into cut and run care services where low bids mean low quality and good nurses and doctors are replaced regularly with new hires. This can all be fixed but we the people have to do it. Kingfish
 

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Sad thing is that if it werent for mis-spending wed be fine. But the guilty parties would rather see everyone starve than give up their cash cow. My hope is that money gets tight enough to force transparency and thus the leeches will be recognized and discarded. We are hurtin for a complete top to bottom audit of every govt expenditure.

We got too many people in prison. Too much top heavy education. Foriegn wars that benefit no one besides the military industrial complex. Too many people in high salary govt positions that dont really do a damn thing to earn it. Too many people collecting social services that dont really need it and in the process keepin it from those who do.

Simply put its time to trim the fat. But that aint gonna happen til the wheels grind to a halt.
 

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Don't misunderstand me. I agree with both of you. The problem is that we built an unstable platform over a pit of spikes. Now if we try to take that platform out from under us. It kills us.

I think it needs to happen. The only cure is for a total collapse and a rebuild from the ashes.

The point of this was are we prepared for the slow descent and the hell and chaos that it will bring.
 

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The point of this was are we prepared for the slow descent and the hell and chaos that it will bring.
Prepared in what way? Prepping as in stockpiling has a purpose but it aint a longterm survival plan in any context. True for everything be it food or gold. Stockpiling buys time to make a transition. Learning skills and accumulating necessary tools is longterm prepping. Longterm folks must be able to produce. To me being prepared for financial upheaval specifically means being able to adapt. First being able to provide the basic needs for existance if they cant be bought. Food water shelter fire defense. Secondly being able to produce some resource or service that people will need and be willing to exchange for in some regard?

Am I prepared? More than most. Less than some. And never as much as Id like to be.
 

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guys.. I'm not seeing it across the board just yet.

the very large company I work for (computer giant) had a strong finish to it's fiscal year June 30...while it's not off the charts, the big guys feel good to have seen a 4% growth in such a 'down economy'. We've gotten bonuses each quarter..small mind you, but still...we've made money and my department just added staff this month to cover the extra workload.

my own small side business serves the music concert industry and my Spring season dang near killed me it was so busy. I had to pull 3 other companies from neighboring states in to help me cover everything.

I was at our local IHop this morning for breakfast and we had to park way out back cause the parking lot was competely full...same story at the Olive Garden in the evenings and other major, and I consider expensive, franchises.

I dropped my jaw this evening at the local grocery store as I walked down the chip/snack food isle..hadn't bought anything on that row in a while and when a smallish bag of chips costs darn near $4 ?!!? I passed, but I noticed that several other shoppers didn't hesitate to grab a few for the carts..and they didn't strike me as upper middle class folks either.

granted out unemployment rate is officially around 11%...factor in reality and we've been told we're at 17 to 21%..and yet people are clogging the roads, driving at least 10mph over the speed limit, not ride sharing or making any efforts to conserve.

my point in this post isn't to say that life is good for me..fact is just a year ago I had been unemployed for 11 months from my primary job and had been struggling to make it work on savings and my side biz.

my point though is that if there is 11% unemployment..that leaves another 80% of the folks out there still running at full bore..many of them likely will hit a brick wall at full throttle here shortly...but I can tell who is spending their evenings watching Fox news and getting scared at all the horrors coming upon us, vs who is watching Lady Gaga on MTV and running out to buy the latest DROID...the US economy is still running hot and in many markets, very healthy..it's just out political machine that has done obscene things and we need to shut them down before they shut us down...
 

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I see a quick collapse. For the last few weeks the current administration has been using the term "Shared Sacrifice" and I think that is code for an across the board suffering that will soon take place,It will have to be done quickly to prevent those that can from protecting their assets. With the discussion of a QE3, for those that don't know what that means, The government is printing money(currency) in order to buy its debt with NOTHING to back its value.In essences that devalues the currency already in circulation. This could lead to a WAR with our debtors, Why, Because the value of the money we would be paying them back with would be less than the value of the money we borrowed.The only real way to avoided that would be to totally destroy the value of the dollar and use the natural resources of this country as collateral to borrow funds from the WORLD BANK/IMF to set up a new currency. For a number of decades the US Dollar has been the Standard by which the value of other nations currencies was determined and prices for commodities were set.Now for almost 3 years China,Russia,and many other nations have ask that because of the failed economic plans and the reckless spending of the Us, that the Dollar be replaced as the World Reserve Currency, Add to that the current administration desire that the US be like other nations and His (Obama) lack of understanding of basic Economics, coupled with His idea of what "Fairness" is and you have the recipe for a faster than a speeding locomotive (Train) wreck.It will have to be a sudden thing in order to create the kind of crisis that would be needed for him to declare "Marshall Law", suspend the "Constitution" and set up His Marxist Utopia.Remember, He has said openly that it would be easier for Him if he were the President of China and not the US. And he has made similar remarks of how easy it would be for him to accomplish his goals if he was the only one in charge.
Also, keep in mind the comments of in-the-tank news media,that has made comments of how "Divine" he is. All I can say to All is keep your eyes and ears open, and be ready to execute your survival plan.

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Prepared in what way? Prepping as in stockpiling has a purpose but it aint a longterm survival plan in any context. True for everything be it food or gold. Stockpiling buys time to make a transition. Learning skills and accumulating necessary tools is longterm prepping. Longterm folks must be able to produce. To me being prepared for financial upheaval specifically means being able to adapt. First being able to provide the basic needs for existance if they cant be bought. Food water shelter fire defense. Secondly being able to produce some resource or service that people will need and be willing to exchange for in some regard?

Am I prepared? More than most. Less than some. And never as much as Id like to be.
Prepared for the descent into semi-lawlessness. A period where we have extremely high rates of crime and homelessness while at the same time we have a system that is failing to protect the citizens, but a legal system that will be willing to prosecute those who use excessive force.
 

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I don't doubt what you have expirienced and seen. However I would just remind you and others how much money Barry and the boys (Timmy Gethner & Ben Bernyankme) have been printing and pumping into the economy.
All the stimulus plans, unemployment extensions, cash for junkers, cash for caulkers, bank bailouts, auto bailouts, etc..etc.. etc...
All the while he and his cronies in the drive by media are blaming Jorge Bush for all of it.
Don't get me wrong, Bush added about 5 trillion to the debt, hope he roasts for that, but Barry, Nancy, and Harry have added almost as much in just over two years.

The situation as is, is unsustainable, something drastic has to be done.
 
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