[TXplowgirl]

Lordy this makes me wanna stop eating foods period. Start growing my own for sure. Scary.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...oods-hazards.aspx?e_cid=20120807_DNL_artNew_1

 

[9mmMike]

Mercola? really?

 

[Borsch Dorks Gorge]

Lordy this makes me wanna stop eating foods period. Start growing my own for sure. Scary.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...oods-hazards.aspx?e_cid=20120807_DNL_artNew_1

1. The article makes the assumption - or at least leads the reader to - that grain reared meat is a superior product. It is not. Pasture raised is. If cows were meant to eat grain, they would have invented the plough.

2. The conclusion is introduced with may. Reading this post may make you be able to jump far enough to travel to Mars.

3. More about how Bt has 'invaded' our bodies. That would be the same Bt that is naturally occurring in the soil, the guts of lepidopterans and on plants themselves. Well, cant see how we ever consumed that stuff before the Big M came along...

Yawn.

 

[Dragonid]

Here's the title that mercola puts on the article:

Decade-Long Feeding Study Reveals Significant Health Hazards of Genetically Engineered Foods

Here is what the author of the paper that the article is based on actually says:

She emphasizes, however, that the experiments did not focus primarily on body weight and that weight gain is only one of the findings.

Body weight is not a suitable indicator for the effects of genetically modified food. Increased body weight could be caused by many things, she points out.

We saw changes in the fish that ate genetically modified corn, regardless of age. We saw it in their digestive organs, liver, kidneys, pancreas, adrenal glands and genitals. There were no major effects - all values ​​were within what we might call normal. The fish looked healthy and fresh.

She emphasizes that changes in internal organs in itself is not dramatic. You can see physiological changes in body organs by the intake of various foods - even when food is not genetically modified.

Krog Dahl said that they were healthy and grew well. Again, she emphasizes that there is no reason to cry alarm, but it is very good reason to investigate further.

- So far we have not identified any indicators that lend themselves to ready to tell us whether the genetically modified corn may have negative consequences for humans and animals.

In the end, all it really says is that they found some stuff they can't explain, and want more money to continue their research. Nothing wrong with that, it's still interesting, but it's not something to base accusations against the evil eMpire on.

 

[Houndhunter]

This crap is why we raise our own livestock and gardens. I can tell you right now exactly what it took to produce the beef, chicken, eggs, milk, cheese, corn, beans, tomatoes..... I could go on... in our house. That was NATURAL reproduction. I don't want or need a mad scientist piddling with my food. The closest GMO will come to my table is if I cross breed out to another breed of bull, rooster, billy or boar.

 

[Deo Gratias!]

Thanks!

Lordy this makes me wanna stop eating foods period. Start growing my own for sure. Scary.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...oods-hazards.aspx?e_cid=20120807_DNL_artNew_1

Thanks for the thread!:thumb:

 

[Borsch Dorks Gorge]

This crap is why we raise our own livestock and gardens. I can tell you right now exactly what it took to produce the beef, chicken, eggs, milk, cheese, corn, beans, tomatoes

Are you saying your own ignorance of science is a determining factor in your decisions? Not saying it is is the write decision or the wrong one, but it is it not better to make a decision based on what you know rather than what you do not know?

The argument that you know what goes into yours infers you do not know what goes into the other - the research is out there to read.

It is akin to a smoker justifying they will not die of a smoking related illness as X% do not.

 

[SLACKJAW44]

It goes back to rule #1, you are what you eat, folks. If you eat genetically modified food, you will modify your genetic makeup. Every day, the food you eat changes your chemistry, turns gene switches on and off, so to speak. It can be for the good, or the bad. Sometimes it may not have any noticeable effect on you, but can wreak havoc on your children, and your childrens children.

It is totally foolish to think that "they" are culturing these beasts in a lab for your benefit. We have come this far, and thrived, without splicing and dicing, and you're going to show me a handful of test results that amounts to a fart in the wind compared to a sweet potato, which we have been eating for ten thousand years, give or take.

Epigentics! Google it, it's one of the latest and greatest in science.

 

[saln]

You all do know that we have been in a food shortage for the last 40 years? (actually much longer). This is the crap that the "industrial" growers came up with to stay with demand. I guess we could go back to "au natural" and see how that works out. Looking like we are getting towards the end of food resources and new increased production techniques as well. Simple pyhsics.

I got a few buds that turned massive amounts of corn back in over the past few weeks. One has been gaining in size and started growing bt a couple years back. At times he has to leave a strip standing while combining where land washed out, trees down... He told me that when he used grew open corn, those left overs wouldnt make it a week, animlals everywhere. With the bt and some of the others he has tried, it just sits there. Hmmm...

 

[SLACKJAW44]

Gee, what could a stupid animal possibly know, that we wouldn't???

 

[SnakeRanch]

No, but the bad thing about gmo's IS they are aggressively gene dominant, interbreed with, and wipe out native strains, preventing seed saving, and destroying forever the vast diversity of grain crops. Mexico had over 3000 strains of native corn in 1950. Today that's down to less than 400, and losing more each season. I've seen this on a horribly large scale, especially in foreign countries, where Monsanto, DeKalb, and others have flexed their moneygrubbing tentacles with such blatant spiels such as "Put an Angel in your Fields with Monsanto"...

 

[twyggy]

Mercola has skewed the results of the study.

Correlation is not causality. The study found a CORRELATION between GE corn and obesity. The Mercola article tried to indicate that GE corn CAUSED obesity. While GE corn is, according to the study, correlated with obesity, the data from the study do not support it being the cause of obesity.


Using the same logic that the Mercola article used, you could say: A red car drives by your house 20 minutes after the sun comes up. This means that the red car driving by your house has caused the sun to come up.

I despise the proliferation of GE foods also, and would LOVE some fodder to toss at people in arguments, but not at the expense of scientific integrity! :thumb:

 

[Borsch Dorks Gorge]

It goes back to rule #1, you are what you eat, folks. If you eat genetically modified food, you will modify your genetic makeup.

Cannot say I have eaten any GM food today or any day, but if the logic is that I am what I eat and if I eat X it will modify my makeup to have characteristics of X, today I am a cow, a field of wheat, a tomato plant, a garlic bulb, an onion, a chilli pepper, a cumin plant, a tea bush and a sugar beet.

Nah, that sounds like disturbed logic to me.

 

[SLACKJAW44]

Cannot say I have eaten any GM food today or any day, but if the logic is that I am what I eat and if I eat X it will modify my makeup to have characteristics of X, today I am a cow, a field of wheat, a tomato plant, a garlic bulb, an onion, a chilli pepper, a cumin plant, a tea bush and a sugar beet.

Nah, that sounds like disturbed logic to me.

If that is your logical interpretation, it sounds disturbing to me as well.

Epigentics! Google it, it's one of the latest and greatest in science.

Please, look it up if you want to have any sort of serious discussion on the subject. Otherwise don't waste the bandwidth.

 

[survivalworld]

You all do know that we have been in a food shortage for the last 40 years? (actually much longer). This is the crap that the "industrial" growers came up with to stay with demand. I guess we could go back to "au natural" and see how that works out. Looking like we are getting towards the end of food resources and new increased production techniques as well. Simple pyhsics.
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Food production right now and in the past creates PLENTY of food. There is not a shortage of food. The issue is actually getting food to the countries that need it but there are a ton of variables to why it's not getting to those people and helping stamp out world hunger, but a shortage of foods is not the issue

 

[ex-hunter]

I've seen this on a horribly large scale, especially in foreign countries, where Monsanto, DeKalb, and others ...

DeKalb is Monsanto's seed company.

Can you not name any other player in the genetics industry?

 

[SnakeRanch]

The ads I've seen are Monsanto, or DeKalb. The DeKalb signs are on field fences, makes sense as they are the seed merchants. The religious deceptive ads are Monsanto. Sure there are other players, but when the big gun gets established in an area the smaller ones are cut out of the action.

 

[Doc Simonson]

I wish we could shut down all of those GMO seed producers. It's the very best and fastest way I know of to reduce the population to levels acceptable by those in control.

 

[Doc Simonson]

DeKalb is Monsanto's seed company.

Can you not name any other player in the genetics industry?

Genuity... wait... Nope! That is Monsanto too. And darn! They're fields look fantastic!

 

[ex-hunter]

Syngenta, DuPont

The ads I've seen are Monsanto, or DeKalb. The DeKalb signs are on field fences, makes sense as they are the seed merchants. The religious deceptive ads are Monsanto. Sure there are other players, but when the big gun gets established in an area the smaller ones are cut out of the action.

In the commercial genetics industry, both Syngenta and DuPont are larger than Monsanto.

Syngenta by far has the most popular GMO hybrids, it's seed companies have more than a third of the industry's market share.

You see DeKalb all over. All the old guys in the corn belt wear DeKalb hats. They have DeKalb signs by their mailboxes and fields, these American Family Farmers are proud of their product. A friend of mine farms 600 acres organically, no chemicals or GMOs ... his dad proudly wears a DeKalb jacket everywhere he goes in the winter.
It's almost a thing of the past ...