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#1 ·
It seems that a lot of people on this forum have the interesting idea of stocking up on multiple guns of the same kind, for the purpose of arming a small group of bug out buddies.
I think this is an excellent idea, but I will only start my own stockpile after I build my BOL and other stores to my satisfaction. So, what would be your choice for a hand out rifle? The criteria;

It must be easy to use, and be somewhat "grunt proof". Think AK-47 and Viet Cong.
It must be reliable, especially in the long term i:e it shouldn't have parts that wear out quickly.
It must be cheap, because I want to be able to actually stock up as many as a dozen and not have to sell an internal organ to do so.


My personal choice would be the SKS, since they are plentiful, cheap, reliable, reasonably accurate, fairly foolproof, and they provide good semi-auto firepower.

Let's hear yours, and why!
 
#7 ·
Mosin Nagant 91/30:

1) They're cheap. This means that I can buy plenty now, and they are so plentiful that if one is lost, there are several more that I bought with the same money I could have spent on one other gun.

2) They are accurate and precise. They can engage targets at range.

3) They are long. They are too unwieldy to stage an effective mutiny against my cadre of peers.

4) They have a slow rate of fire. Nobody can go all "Rambo" and burn all my ammo. This also helps prevent the temptation of mutiny, as, especially in the hands of novices, they are outgunned by a few experienced people with semi-auto carbines.

5) They fire a powerful round. They can take medium and large game.

6) They fire an inexpensive round. I can stock up now.

7) They usually have matching serial numbers on all parts. This means that I can issue them at the start of a shift, and collect them afterwards, and have complete inventory control over every numbered part.

8) They are easy to use.

9) They are indestructible.

10) The bolt can be stripped without tools.

11) They are straight. This makes caching them MUCH easier, as they can be tubed, or stacked neatly in crates.

12) They have few moving parts. Mechanical simplicity means that anyone can fix them.

13) They won WWII.

14) They fought themselves in the Winter War and the Continuation War and won.

For these reasons, I have stockpiled Mosin Nagant 91/30's for any trustworthy smurfs who we take into our household.
 
#10 ·
Depends on the situation at hand would I do it...NO...my people for miles have allways kept weapons ,but who knows maybe he needs what they have more than his .303's where he is.....let the arms race start....lol but seriously very very few people would I hand a weapon in time of need (outside of a few)
 
#13 ·
Most people that don't already have guns will need something light, easy to handle, with low recoil, easy to train on, and be effective to 150 yards, as long shots are going to be beyond most peoples' capability anyway, if they aren't already a shooter.

People of small stature, such as some women, and many teens, or people with various health problems, that aren't already shooters won't be able to handle, much less be effective with full power arms. They are too heavy, too long, and too ungainly, with heavy recoil. And single or stripper clip loading is usually going to be slightly slower than magazine changes for the poorly trained.

I plan on acquiring half a dozen or so Auto-Ordnance .30 M1 Carbines for hand out guns to other members of my family and MAG if I ever can get one together.

I think the .30 M1 Carbine is highly underrated. Yes, it is a nitch round and nitch firearm. But that nitch covers some ground.

Developed as a rear echelon arm for those that weren’t likely to see major action, were often in a vehicle where a full size rifle was too bulky, were often in Close combat in and around urban areas, want to provide a handy arm more easily used by those with small body build, those that couldn’t do well with a pistol, and those that couldn’t handle the recoil of the MBR or full size pistol.

So what nitch does it fit in the prepper world? The same one it did in the service and a couple more, to boot.

1. A dedicated pistol substitute. When the .45 ACP wasn’t enough power or range without enough firepower, and a bit too much recoil for some.

2. A dedicated Carbine. For those tasks that really need a shorter, more compact weapon for specific tasks.

3. A weapon useable by those that can’t physically handle full power weapons, are recoil sensitive, but need more than a pistol.

4. A weapon that is less costly to manufacture and feed, but still adequate ballistics for self-defense, if not a primary MBR.

5. A weapon of adequate performance that personnel can be trained to use quickly and accurately and effectively, with minimum support.

6. A weapon with an ammunition weight and size such that large numbers of rounds can be carried.

And the specific prepper uses.

7. Medium sized animal control where a pistol isn’t a good choice and a full power rifle wastes resources.

8. Surplus LBE webbing for the .30 M1 magazines is fairly cheap.

9. Something that is fairly easy to conceal in a pack (folding stock) or under a long coat (any model)

10. Something more powerful than standard handgun rounds (even .44 & .357 magnum)

11. Something with more firepower than lever action and bolt action lightweight weapons or especially heavy lever and bolt actions.

12. Something just about anyone, no matter why they can’t use a larger, more powerful, more fire power, heavier weapon can learn to use effectively in that 100 yard to 150 yard last ditch defense when it takes everyone on the firing line to hold off those that have set out to hurt you.

13. Compared to the other firearms that try to compete effectively with the .30 Carbine round in an M1 Carbine, the price overall is compatible.


And what won’t it do? It isn’t a hideout pistol. It’s not an MBR. It isn’t for long range shots (over 300 yards). Not for high precision shots. And it won’t take out armored targets.

There are cheaper guns, though they are usually too bulky, too heavy, too long, have too much recoil, can’t be concealed well, the ammunition is also bulky, heavy and longer.

For the $700 - $1,000 price range there are a few weapon/caliber combos that will work to an extent, but suffer the same restriction as the cheaper guns and cost the same or more, or are much more gun than needed for the anticipated situations.

I want those around me to have the best chance to defend themselves as I can possibly give them. That is worth a few bucks extra to me.

Just my opinion.
 
#14 ·
Yet another vote for the lowly Mosin Nagant, or, what HD lovingly calls his "smurf guns," (I actually used that term in one of my PAW fiction stories, Thanks, Drudge!)

440 rounds- $63.95+ ~$15 in shipping (up to, IIRC, 2 or 3 crates)
$99.95 for the rifle at Cabela's on sale.

Hard to get anything other than an old SS .22 or shotgun for that price.
 
#18 ·
Ease of use SKS is nice but not exactly cheap anymore, most are going to be 400$ anymore. AKs aint cheap anymore either, and will burn thru some ammo.

Shotguns can be had pretty cheap, don't take much training to operate and hit anything. But lack range, and few women or smaller people like the recoil of a 12 ga. Plus stock piling useful ammo, buckshot vs birdshot, is not really cheap.

The various 22 semi autos can be had for reasonable prices, most are pretty simple to operate and a little training hit what aimed at. Ammo is horribly cheap, but lacks much range or knock down power.

Theres something like the highpoint carbines, but can be hard to find anymore, and being a pistol caliber again not much range or knock down power.

If your looking at buying half a dozen, your really going to have to look at bolt action rifles. Simple to operate with little training, most are going to be pretty rugged. There is the Mosin Nagants, really cheap at 1-200$, and ammo is about as cheap as your going to get. Cheaper than 9mm most of the time. They do tend to be big, and most women will not like them, the carbines are shorter but more money and have pretty bad muzzle blast. Cheap 303 enfields or 8mm mausers don't really exist anymore, neither does cheap ammo.

There is the Mossberg ATR, supposed to be a decent rifle, Wal-mart has them for 257$, and do come with iron sights. Most I have seen are 30-06, but come in 308, much easier to stock up on. Most women will not like the recoil of 30-06 or 308.

Theres something like the H&R single shots, I bought one in 45-70 and new it was 300$ out the door. They can be had in lighter calibers, but not all will have iron sights. Start messing with scopes your talking money again. You can probably dig up several used 30-30 lever rifles for a decent price, ammo is pretty cheap, I got some on sale recently for 11$, but most of the time its 16-17$. Recoil isnt bad, decent range, simple to operate. Won't run thru the ammo to bad, and can shoot cast bullets, so could keep them going with a little equipment for a long time.
 
#19 ·
Thanks Jerry D! The m1 was my first choice, but the cost is just too high for my budget

The Mosin was my second choice, but part of my criteria (that I forgot to write above) is that it can be comfortably used by women and the younger or skinnier members of my group. I just don't think those folks can shoot a Mosin without getting beat up.
 
#26 ·
I agree with the OP, I really like the sks as a handout rifle. 10 round capacity, semi auto, wont burn through ammo as fast, fairly cheap can be found where I am for $320, and very reliable and more accurate than a typical AK.

However, if there are going for 400 in your area, get siagas. You can choose the caliber you want, 5.45 is still pretty cheap compared to .223, so it would be easy to stock up ammo, and they have ability to become much more then a funny looking rifle.

Just keep in mind costs, mags cost, (sks has stripper clips, this saves money) and cost of ammo, and how many you want. Remember there is nothing wrong with getting a few SKS, and a few mosins. Just keep everything in pairs for parts and ammo, mags, ect, ect.

Also if the S never HTF, and you have 10 rifles of the same, then that kind of sucks. That is why I like to diversify, it is more fun for now! :)

Also dont be afraid to give out rifles to friends and family before anything bad happens and just have a plan to link up. It will be more beneficial from a tactical standpoint. More trianing more familiar, and if there was a fire, you dont loose all your sweet guns. (unless you have a great safe)
 
#27 ·
Single shot .22's . Cheap , easy to shoot and enough gun to keep you alive . You want something nicer than that I would suggest you plan ahead .

We may or may not have buried a half dozen or so SKS's with a case of ammo each back in the 90's when it was 90 bucks for a rifle with a case of ammo . May not be the greatest thing ever but my Dad told me the best gun to have in gunfight ..... Is a gun .
 
#30 ·
I buy my friends firearms every year for christmas. Last year, it was a Mossberg 590a1 for my former roommate, since he saw them when he was in the USMC and wanted one.

This year, it's two Palmetto State Armory AR-15's (M4,16" barrel) for two of my other friends. They are buying complete lowers, and I am supplying uppers/BCG's/CH's.

I always buy what the person wants, and make sure to find out what that is, because firearms are so personal. God forbid I buy an AK fan an AR or visa versa!!!

These are also friends that I shoot and train with. I don't need an idiot-proof firearm for a peasant because my friends are not idiot peasants.
 
#32 ·
I do have to add to my earlier statement, if price is not a problem buy some lower cost AR-15s and either Walther p99 or Springfield xds (calibre of choice) they are easy to clean and will serve you well if you take good care of them.
My hand outs are 870/500 depending on preference, kreb/m1a/LMT rifles and p99/1911/xd as hand guns
I have 3 of each (I am the leader of a shtf group and some of the dues people pay go towards them)