I just got a brand new H & R Pardner 20 gauge shot gun from an antique show two days ago. What a great gun! I have already shot a grouse and three squirrels with it. I had a .410 when I was 5 or 6, that gun is nothing compared to the 20 gauge. If you are looking for a first time gun or just a plinker, I reccomend the 20 gauge.