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  • We'll return to the vision of our Founding Fathers & a Constitutional Republic.

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Across the nation we hear cheers of joy as a Republican defeats Clinton in a close Presidential race. The nation is glued to their TV sets. We see a huge grin on the face of the Republican victor as he holds up the two-finger, victory salute. His wife and kids are hugging him as tears of joy flow down their faces. Emotions are running high on both sides of the political aisle. The Republicans are jeering at the Democrats and the Democrats are shaking their collective head with disgust. Ticker tape and confetti fill the excited air. Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Our team WON! Yahooooooo!

Now what?

What will change now that a Republican is in office? No really ... what will change? Will the new leader lead us back to the vision of our Founding Fathers -- to a Constitutional Republic? Will he (she?) fight to put an end to Socialist programs like Obamacare or Welfare? Will he seal our southern borders and, if so, will he send illegals back to their native countries? Will he allow States to decide the legality of homosexual marriage or at least lead the nation back to the important ideal of States' Rights? Or will he continue down the path of the Bill Clinton, the Bush boys, & Obama and continue to expand the power, scope, and size of the Federal Government? Will taxes continue to increase or decrease? What about Federal spending? Will he bail out his cronies on Wall Street (like Bush and Obama did) or will he allow the free market to correct itself?

What do die-hard Republicans expect their elected leader will do should he win the highest office in the land? Any real and significant changes or more of the same?
 

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Missing option.

We pay for door name change, stationary name change, new rubber stamp, etc.. And the rest stays the same since the president's only areas of control is foreign policy and command of the military. All the other items listed are domestic policy and in the control of congress.
 

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I'm afraid it is true that very little or nothing actually changes. Obama has done damage because he is willing to subvert the constitution even in the face of court decisions against him. I don't think the Publicans will do that (they don't need to.) Moreover, I doubt they would be strict constitutionalists since it would literally require burning the country down to do so (to go back to a true constitutional republic, it has been so subverted and undermined in the last 60 years.)
What could happen that is favorable is that they reverse ALL of the turds exec actions and policies, and dismantle obamacare. ((unlikely, it's too entrenched already).
We were caught by surprise because we are so accustomed to "gridlock" that when Oturd began his dictatorship by decree, the Republicans were caught flat-footed, as he continually outmaneuvered them.
I'm afraid the battle has largely been lost, and that the best we may get is a halt or slowing of the destructon. I know this sounds defeatist, and I'm sorry but I just can't see us going back and correcting the damage. Especially with the level of support from almost half of our population being dependent.
You know...."A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury."
Sorry...I'm not optimistic...
 

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Everyone seems to forget judicial appointments when they start making the claims that "nothing will change" between the two parties. Let's set aside the 2+ spots on the SCOTUS which may be vacated in the next presidential term for a moment. Obama, with Reid's assistance was able to completely stack the 2nd district (where 99% of high profile cases end up) with left-wing ideologues. Had there been a Republican in office, those appointments would likely have been far closer to being judicial conservatives than the hacks Obama appointed. To me, that's a significant difference. I'm not saying reliance on the courts is the end all be all, but the fallout from judicial appointments can affect the country for decades and it's an often overlooked power of the presidency.
 

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I see the government getting bigger and taxes (mostly hidden ones like big new taxes on the internet, phones, gas, medical devices/drugs/services etc.) rising. We have reached a point where there is no accountability from anyone working for team government. Nobody gets fired, demoted, or even reprimanded. Most just get promoted and retire in place. We have a myriad of redundant government agencies with hordes of make-work jobs that reward protected classes, donors, politician's friends/family/supporters with do-nothing jobs. Government has been growing steadily for many decades now under both Rs and Ds and it has now reached the point where it is too big to succeed and too powerful and widespread to dismantle. It has crowded out the private sector. I remember discussing the notion of "crowding out" back at Wharton around 1980 in one of my Economics classes. Few of us ever imagined how massive, incompetent and harmful the government would become. Trump went to Wharton too. :eek:
 

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Depends on which Republican and the makeup of the Senate. My personal favorites are Ben Carson or Scot Walker. I will never vote for a Bush and his chances of winning is virtually nil.

Lets say Walker wins. I see him eliminating the Executive actions Obama has taken. I see him striving to reform the tax code (probably unsuccessfully because of entrenched interests). I see him stopping the EPA from shutting down our utilities. I see a marginal movement towards conservatism again. Like what happened after Reagan was President.

The parties are not the same. Nor for that matter are individual politicians in the parties. Anymore than you and I are the same.
 

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Zero changes. Nothing will happen until there is a viable third party and money is removed from politics. The survey results so far support my supposition.
 

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Zero changes. Nothing will happen until there is a viable third party and money is removed from politics. The survey results so far support my supposition.
Sorry, but I did not even pick one of the answers to this poll. Many were unnecessarily emotionally loaded or agenda driven. I gave my answer in a post. I see several other people did as well.

Be careful of Confirmation Bias.

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.
 

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Everyone seems to forget judicial appointments when they start making the claims that "nothing will change" between the two parties. Let's set aside the 2+ spots on the SCOTUS which may be vacated in the next presidential term for a moment. Obama, with Reid's assistance was able to completely stack the 2nd district (where 99% of high profile cases end up) with left-wing ideologues. Had there been a Republican in office, those appointments would likely have been far closer to being judicial conservatives than the hacks Obama appointed. To me, that's a significant difference. I'm not saying reliance on the courts is the end all be all, but the fallout from judicial appointments can affect the country for decades and it's an often overlooked power of the presidency.
Two words: David Souter.
 

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Sorry, but I did not even pick one of the answers to this poll. Many were unnecessarily emotionally loaded or agenda driven. I gave my answer in a post. I see several other people did as well.

Be careful of Confirmation Bias.
So what is your response to the OP then? You didn't provide it in the survey response or in your post.
 

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WiMountainman is spot on concerning the court appointments. I am not going to lie if a democrat is appointed I would expect to see my former governor and resident Canadian Jennifer Granholm and also mr Fast and Furious himself Eric Holder appointed to the supreme court. Not to mention the lower federal courts stacked to brim with liberals and judicial activists. While the government day to day functions will remain relatively the same we might accidently fall on some real conservatives in the court system if a republican is in the executive spot.
 

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I can't answer because 1-who gets in? and 2-do the Republicans keep the House and Senate and if they do, does the Senate have 60 Republicans?
JMO:

1) It won't matter who gets in.
2) It wouldn't matter if 100% of both houses are controlled by Republicans.

All the above will amount to "status quo." I say that based on the fact that I haven't seen any real effort by the career Republicans who've had ample opportunity to force any real changes for the better. Outside of a couple of stragglers what Republicans can anyone name who routinely educate and appeal to the American people as a means to turn the tide and return to the safe and prosperous America of days gone by? None that I can think of. Occasionally, one might pay a little lip service right before election time but they never break a sweat.
 
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