george4inflationus
Maybe the baby was an alien hybrid and those were secret gov't agents.
I would almost be willing to bet there is much more to this story, which would change it entirely.
I would almost be willing to bet there is much more to this story, which would change it entirely.
Child protective services are a criminal racket I would have killed every one that was in the wing and it would not have been pretty. as i would have gotten there badge numbers and names before they left nurses Child service workers everyone.
you think thats ****ed up read this
http://kidjacked.com/family/schaefer.asp
there even senators against CPS
http://kidjacked.com/family/schaefer.asp
there even senators against CPS
Some things seem a little strange. Though he is asked the name of the hospital I never heard him say which it was. When asked how people can contact him he gives his "fiances" facebook. I listened several times and never was able to make out what her last name is, though he was happy to spell her first name twice. He mentions an affidavit that he doesn't have with him, so we don't know who signed it.
Bearfoot's right, they do spell it at the end. I'm still far from convinced. Any evidence besides this one guys story would be nice.
Bearfoot's right, they do spell it at the end. I'm still far from convinced. Any evidence besides this one guys story would be nice.
If this is half as sinister as it sounds, there are apparently idiots who like to throw matches in a room full of open gasoline containers.
This guy (Irish) is faxing the afidavit to the Oathkeeps PTB as I type this.
It seems that this story is completely true.
And no, counter to popular belief, not all CPS actions (practically none) make it to the MSM.
This happened yesterday it seems, and stories (unless it is a major disaster) do not get on the MSM off the bing-bang, if at all.
But this is completely outragous if true--and I think it is.
This will spark major, major blowback.
ST
It seems that this story is completely true.
And no, counter to popular belief, not all CPS actions (practically none) make it to the MSM.
This happened yesterday it seems, and stories (unless it is a major disaster) do not get on the MSM off the bing-bang, if at all.
But this is completely outragous if true--and I think it is.
This will spark major, major blowback.
ST
Dwind... this is going to go bonkers viral in the next day or so.
Alex Jones is picking this up I hear, and his people are digging into this also as I type this.
Talk about a massive PR failure for this CPS agency.
This is going to whip up the tea party people--expect pitchforks and torches (about time).
ST
Alex Jones is picking this up I hear, and his people are digging into this also as I type this.
Talk about a massive PR failure for this CPS agency.
This is going to whip up the tea party people--expect pitchforks and torches (about time).
ST
Sent it out to a couple of right wingers. Glenn Beck, and Rusty Humphries. Also going to send to some locals here.
EDIT: Sent it to the local radio hosts as well as George Noori at Coast to Coast AM
EDIT: Sent it to the local radio hosts as well as George Noori at Coast to Coast AM
Damn, i dont even have kids and this makes me want to protect them. If that was my baby, heads, intestines, organs, fingers and anything else i can rip off of a person would have rolled. A famous man once said, "They Drew First Blood..." , and by the end of the day i would have been saying the same thing....
God speed, i hope they get their baby back.
God speed, i hope they get their baby back.
Unfortunately there is a neverending supply of these kidnappers that let a hundred kids be abused so they can grab the next one on their quota.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10...about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/
If it lists affiliation with OathKeepers, even among other reasons, OathKeepers will stand behind him and a lawyer is ready pro-bono
If it lists affiliation with OathKeepers, even among other reasons, OathKeepers will stand behind him and a lawyer is ready pro-bono
There would have been a lot of dead people around had this happened to me and my kids...and i would be the one in a lot of serious trouble..... because someone would pay hard for it...
UPDATE; http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/
10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish. But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts -- they are merely allegations (and in my experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).
But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.
Note that there is no allegation that Oath Keepers is a criminal organization or that Mr. Irish, in the context of his association with Oath Keepers, is committing any crime. We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins (See Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which, as Wikipedia notes, “held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio’s criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.” We don’t even advocate that the current serving use violence of any kind, let alone imminent violence. We ask them to merely stand down.
Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone’s child away. PRIVATE MILITIAS, JUST LIKE OTHER VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, ARE NOT ILLEGAL, and it is not a crime to associate with them. To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we damn well please so long as we are not advocating or planning imminent violence or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them “thought crime” like “All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count -- at least not yet). A parent associating with a militia is not engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment (despite the shrill screeching of people such as Mark Potock of the SPLC, who desperately wants it to be so). Just recently a Time Magazine article described how the reporter visited the happy home of a militia member and his family -- and those kids are still at home, where they belong, as is the case with many th0usands of children across this country who have parents who “associate” with private militias and all manner of other non-criminal groups. You had damn well better defend the rights of those parents to freely associate in their militias and keep their kids while doing so. You can bet that if you let such an association be listed as grounds for taking children from their parents that it won’t only be militia folks who have their rights violated. Homeschoolers, evangelical Christians, gun owners, etc. will also be on the hit list. Just wait. Remember Pastor Niemöller’s timeless warning:
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
A modern version might read like this:
They came first for the militia members,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a militia member.
Then they came for the three percenters,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a three percenter.
Then they came for the Oath Keepers,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an Oath Keeper.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
So, defend the right of even the most hardcore militia members to freely associate without that right being chilled and suppressed by means of the threat of taking their kids.
But this particular listing of an association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for taking a child from her parents is all the more absurd, taking it to a whole other level of Alice in Wonderland “down is up” and up is down,” when you consider that a significant percentage of the members of Oath Keepers are current serving police, fire-fighters, and military personnel. Three of our state chapter presidents are current serving police officers. How can “associating” with such fine men and women who are daily trusted with tremendous power and responsibility constitute evidence of child endangerment? How can it be that a New Hampshire police department can consider someone associating with other current serving police officers as evidence of child abuse and endangerment? Only in the bizzaro world of the SPLC are public servants who commit to simply following the law, keeping their oaths by refusing to violate your rights ,considered “extreme” and “dangerous.”
This is the camel’s nose under the tent. We need to fight even this one instance of such a violation of the right to associate and to peaceably assemble, and we need to push back against the new world of thought crime that is being relentlessly pushed upon us. If this listing of mere association with Oath Keepers is allowed to be used in this case to justify, even in part, removing a newborn from the custody of her parents, with nothing else alleged about Oath Keepers except that the father “is associated” with this organization, that will have a sweeping chilling effect on the First Amendment protected rights of freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, association, and petition for redress of grievances for all of us -- and it will only be the beginning.
OK, now it is TIME TO PUSH BACK -- peaceably, of course, using our voices and pens. Let the officials in question know that you strongly oppose their listing of an association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for taking this child. Let them know you insist that they remove that “reason” from the affidavit and issue a public retraction, and until they do so, they will hear from all of us, and also from our legal counsel. And we won’t relent until they respect our First Amendment protected rights of free speech and association and cease and desist this chilling of those rights. Be professional, but firm. Make them hear you.
Stewart Rhodes
10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit. We will leave that to Mr. Irish. But please do remember that allegations do not equal facts -- they are merely allegations (and in my experience as a criminal defense lawyer in small town Montana I saw many allegations that proved to be false).
But an even more fundamental point is that regardless of the other allegations, it is utterly unconstitutional for government agencies to list Mr. Irish’s association with Oath Keepers in an affidavit in support of a child abuse order to remove his daughter from his custody. Talk about chilling speech! If this is allowed to continue, it will chill the speech of not just Mr. Irish, but all Oath Keepers and it will serve as the camel under the tent for other associations being considered too risky for parents to dare. Thus, it serves to chill the speech of all of us, in any group we belong to that “officials” may not approve of. Don’t you dare associate with such and such group, or you could be on “the list” and then child protective services might come take your kids.
Note that there is no allegation that Oath Keepers is a criminal organization or that Mr. Irish, in the context of his association with Oath Keepers, is committing any crime. We are not advocating or planning imminent violence, which is the established line where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins (See Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), which, as Wikipedia notes, “held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action. In particular, it overruled Ohio’s criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence.” We don’t even advocate that the current serving use violence of any kind, let alone imminent violence. We ask them to merely stand down.
Neither is Oath Keepers a militia, for that matter. However, EVEN IF WE WERE, that also would not be a valid reason to take someone’s child away. PRIVATE MILITIAS, JUST LIKE OTHER VOLUNTARY ASSOCIATIONS, ARE NOT ILLEGAL, and it is not a crime to associate with them. To the contrary, we have an absolute right, won by the blood of patriots, and protected by our First Amendment, to freely associate with each other as we damn well please so long as we are not advocating or planning imminent violence or directly harming our children (and no, teaching them “thought crime” like “All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,” or that those who swear an oath should keep it, does not count -- at least not yet). A parent associating with a militia is not engaged in child endangerment and is not evidence of child endangerment (despite the shrill screeching of people such as Mark Potock of the SPLC, who desperately wants it to be so). Just recently a Time Magazine article described how the reporter visited the happy home of a militia member and his family -- and those kids are still at home, where they belong, as is the case with many th0usands of children across this country who have parents who “associate” with private militias and all manner of other non-criminal groups. You had damn well better defend the rights of those parents to freely associate in their militias and keep their kids while doing so. You can bet that if you let such an association be listed as grounds for taking children from their parents that it won’t only be militia folks who have their rights violated. Homeschoolers, evangelical Christians, gun owners, etc. will also be on the hit list. Just wait. Remember Pastor Niemöller’s timeless warning:
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
A modern version might read like this:
They came first for the militia members,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a militia member.
Then they came for the three percenters,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a three percenter.
Then they came for the Oath Keepers,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an Oath Keeper.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
So, defend the right of even the most hardcore militia members to freely associate without that right being chilled and suppressed by means of the threat of taking their kids.
But this particular listing of an association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for taking a child from her parents is all the more absurd, taking it to a whole other level of Alice in Wonderland “down is up” and up is down,” when you consider that a significant percentage of the members of Oath Keepers are current serving police, fire-fighters, and military personnel. Three of our state chapter presidents are current serving police officers. How can “associating” with such fine men and women who are daily trusted with tremendous power and responsibility constitute evidence of child endangerment? How can it be that a New Hampshire police department can consider someone associating with other current serving police officers as evidence of child abuse and endangerment? Only in the bizzaro world of the SPLC are public servants who commit to simply following the law, keeping their oaths by refusing to violate your rights ,considered “extreme” and “dangerous.”
This is the camel’s nose under the tent. We need to fight even this one instance of such a violation of the right to associate and to peaceably assemble, and we need to push back against the new world of thought crime that is being relentlessly pushed upon us. If this listing of mere association with Oath Keepers is allowed to be used in this case to justify, even in part, removing a newborn from the custody of her parents, with nothing else alleged about Oath Keepers except that the father “is associated” with this organization, that will have a sweeping chilling effect on the First Amendment protected rights of freedom of speech, peaceable assembly, association, and petition for redress of grievances for all of us -- and it will only be the beginning.
OK, now it is TIME TO PUSH BACK -- peaceably, of course, using our voices and pens. Let the officials in question know that you strongly oppose their listing of an association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for taking this child. Let them know you insist that they remove that “reason” from the affidavit and issue a public retraction, and until they do so, they will hear from all of us, and also from our legal counsel. And we won’t relent until they respect our First Amendment protected rights of free speech and association and cease and desist this chilling of those rights. Be professional, but firm. Make them hear you.
Stewart Rhodes
This changes the entire ballgame folks. If they want to pick a fight, by God they're about to get one. Tensions were frayed before. You mess with my kids.... I will barbecue you. I can only imagine jaws are dropping to the floor as we speak, right before they clamp shut in determination.
From Oath Keepers.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10...about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/
In particular this:
>>>UPDATE : 10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit.<<<
My question is this "what can one POSSIBLY do in 24 hours to a child that justifies force removal? I mean, in 24 hours you have barely given birth, cleaned up and had the first feeding! And how do you get an affidavit THAT fast? Unless they were planning an arrest prior to the birth of both parents, but I have not seen any sign one or both are actually in jail at this point.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10...about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/
In particular this:
>>>UPDATE : 10/07/2010 10.53PM PST -- We have confirmed that the affidavit in support of the order to take the child from her parents states ,along with a long list of other assertions against both parents, that “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the Oath Keepers.” Yes, there are other, very serious allegations. Out of respect for the privacy of the parents, we will not publish the affidavit.<<<
My question is this "what can one POSSIBLY do in 24 hours to a child that justifies force removal? I mean, in 24 hours you have barely given birth, cleaned up and had the first feeding! And how do you get an affidavit THAT fast? Unless they were planning an arrest prior to the birth of both parents, but I have not seen any sign one or both are actually in jail at this point.
here is the whole thing what are the socalled assertions againest the parents here people ..belive me if the guys was some big time drug dealer or something else they would be in the news takeing about the home life and how it not good for the child.
so where i read that they are thinking this is a test case about how the people inside the goverment are trying a new tactic againest people who they think are dangerous and now with a few people comeing forward and saying this or that they have socalled seen in the house ..but if you start to check the people who came forward they do not live on this planet if you get my dift..
so does anyone else think this is the case now ..with the some people are talking about how much can you can control now whats goes on in a person life..
so where i read that they are thinking this is a test case about how the people inside the goverment are trying a new tactic againest people who they think are dangerous and now with a few people comeing forward and saying this or that they have socalled seen in the house ..but if you start to check the people who came forward they do not live on this planet if you get my dift..
so does anyone else think this is the case now ..with the some people are talking about how much can you can control now whats goes on in a person life..
its all bout money and it generates money for them wouldnt be suprised if they takr kickbacks
The afidavit is up on Infowars,
http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/
http://www.infowars.com/government-seizes-newborn-baby-over-political-beliefs-of-parents/
This case could set new precedents in the way the .gov controls descent. This most likely will not see the light of day on MSM but it has already gone Viral on the WWW. People are making a big deal of this case, with just cause. But if the State wins this case it could be the new standard for punishing the Dissident. Patriots will quiet their voices in fear.
This is not the first case were an Oath Keeper was falsely accused, yet still punished severely. Which in turn caused many in the American Resistance Movement(A.R.M) to quiet down or stop talking all together.
This is simple PyOps tactics to hush the descending voices & its worked in the past, it works today & it will work tomorrow.
This is not the first case were an Oath Keeper was falsely accused, yet still punished severely. Which in turn caused many in the American Resistance Movement(A.R.M) to quiet down or stop talking all together.
This is simple PyOps tactics to hush the descending voices & its worked in the past, it works today & it will work tomorrow.
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