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While I believe in a 'quality of life'...

Hunter-gatherer lifestyles were far from Utopian, and much more laborious than presented. Otherwise we'd have never developed a need for farming & livestock management.
Twenty hours a week to maintain a family, and prepare for seasonal fluctuation of available plant & animal products? No way. How many hunter-gatherers were interviewed for this data?
It takes hard work to create leisure time.

Seems like an ad for welfare to me.

EDIT: I always hate it when parting with friends & acquaintances, and some idiots parting line is "Don't work too hard"! Thats whats wrong with society today. No one wants to work, hard or otherwise.
How can a person prep if their goal is to simply subsist?
Too defeatist for me. Maybe you intended something entirely different with this, if so, I gotta tell ya it comes over as just wrong!
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society

Given all the modern technology and methods of replacing human labor, modern humans should NEVER have to work more than 10 hours a week on the average. We should be able to live pleasant lives on that and that should be our real goal.

Some people want to be enslaved. They seek out enslavement. They should want to be free. The people who have gotten their freedom by either becoming very rich, very poor or any other means are the winners. If you are slaving your life away at some job, you, certainly, are neither smarter nor superior to those who aren't. They have out foxed you.

But, making them come down to your level and become slaves, too, is an evil goal. The right goal is to set everyone free from slavery as much as we can with all our knowledge and ability to be innovative.

And, the fact is that we have absolutely no need what so ever to have more than 10% of the population working at any given time. Most jobs are totally unproductive and should be eliminated as soon as possible. Instead of 10% unemployment, we should be aiming for 90%. And, no one should be in the work force all the time. People should only do their share. Think about all the tasks that humans do and then try to think of ways they can be eliminated or accomplished without human labor and you will be amazed at how foolish and stupid it is to have people doing those things at all.

We should be trying to eliminate jobs, not create them. Yes, that would mean that there would have to be a new means of distributing goods and services. So? So what?

The current system is crashing because it is unsustainable. It is also ridiculously stupid. It is not good for the planet, people or other living things. Time to put it in the trash where it belongs. It is no longer needed. It is worn out and should by now be out grown.
 

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"And, the fact is that we have absolutely no need what so ever to have more than 10% of the population working at any given time. Most jobs are totally unproductive and should be eliminated as soon as possible. Instead of 10% unemployment, we should be aiming for 90%".

LOL. We'd have to employ half of your 90% as security, to protect the homes & possessions of those who were working to support this brand of socialism.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society

Given all the modern technology and methods of replacing human labor, modern humans should NEVER have to work more than 10 hours a week on the average. We should be able to live pleasant lives on that and that should be our real goal.

Some people want to be enslaved. They seek out enslavement. They should want to be free. The people who have gotten their freedom by either becoming very rich, very poor or any other means are the winners. If you are slaving your life away at some job, you, certainly, are neither smarter nor superior to those who aren't. They have out foxed you.

But, making them come down to your level and become slaves, too, is an evil goal. The right goal is to set everyone free from slavery as much as we can with all our knowledge and ability to be innovative.

And, the fact is that we have absolutely no need what so ever to have more than 10% of the population working at any given time. Most jobs are totally unproductive and should be eliminated as soon as possible. Instead of 10% unemployment, we should be aiming for 90%. And, no one should be in the work force all the time. People should only do their share. Think about all the tasks that humans do and then try to think of ways they can be eliminated or accomplished without human labor and you will be amazed at how foolish and stupid it is to have people doing those things at all.

We should be trying to eliminate jobs, not create them. Yes, that would mean that there would have to be a new means of distributing goods and services. So? So what?

The current system is crashing because it is unsustainable. It is also ridiculously stupid. It is not good for the planet, people or other living things. Time to put it in the trash where it belongs. It is no longer needed. It is worn out and should by now be out grown.
...the only answer.
 

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"And, the fact is that we have absolutely no need what so ever to have more than 10% of the population working at any given time. Most jobs are totally unproductive and should be eliminated as soon as possible. Instead of 10% unemployment, we should be aiming for 90%".

LOL. We'd have to employ half of your 90% as security, to protect the homes & possessions of those who were working to support this brand of socialism.
Why would there be an increased need for security? The goal would not be to live at subsistence level. It would be for everyone to have a decent standard of living. If hunter gathers could subsist off 20 hours a week, with all the benefits of science and human innovation that we have had since that time, we should all be able to live quite nicely form 10 hours a week of labor. After all, one man with a tractor can grow and harvest what hundreds could find and dig up with a stick.
 

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...the only answer.
I think that I am close. The answer is certainly going to be to dump the old economic system and come up with a new and innovative look at what we are doing with our lives and resources. There will have to be a new way to distribute work as well as goods and services. The old system has clearly run its course. We can go into a new dark ages or a new age of enlightenment. I am for enlightenment. We can start with massive job elimination and free people from job slavery.
 

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Why would there be an increased need for security? The goal would not be to live at subsistence level. It would be for everyone to have a decent standard of living. If hunter gathers could subsist off 20 hours a week, with all the benefits of science and human innovation that we have had since that time, we should all be able to live quite nicely form 10 hours a week of labor. After all, one man with a tractor can grow and harvest what hundreds could find and dig up with a stick.
Because we are selfish! And if i'm feeding 100 people, 100 people better be paying me, or 100 people will starve while I get fat!:thumb:
 

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Because we are selfish! And if i'm feeding 100 people, 100 people better be paying me, or 100 people will starve while I get fat!:thumb:
Well, educating people such as yourself and freeing them from such old biases and prejudices is certainly going to have to happen.

If you are truly selfish, you should be demanding to have your life back and not be forced to spend it sitting on a tractor more than 10 hours a week. What is having freedom from job slavery worth to you?
 

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90% unemployment would destroy the infrastructure that would allow your solitary farmer to support himself, much less support anyone else. Fuel, fertilizer/pesticide, parts & produce distribution all collapse.
Your advocating more time for criminal activity upon the part of those who are so inclined, thus the need for more security.
Try to see a doctor or dentist lately? Now put 9/10ths of them out of work and try to get an appointment.
Increase classroom density by 1000%, due to a lack of teachers, and see what the quality of education comes down to.

Please tell me your simply 'trolling'!
My final post on this thread.
 

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90% unemployment would destroy the infrastructure that would allow your solitary farmer to support himself, much less support anyone else. Fuel, fertilizer/pesticide, parts & produce distribution all collapse.
Your advocating more time for criminal activity upon the part of those who are so inclined, thus the need for more security.
Try to see a doctor or dentist lately? Now put 9/10ths of them out of work and try to get an appointment.
Increase classroom density by 1000%, due to a lack of teachers, and see what the quality of education comes down to.

Please tell me your simply 'trolling'!
My final post on this thread.
All that would be true under the current system. I am talking about an entirely new economic system that is not job and wage dependent as a means of distributing both work and goods and services. I would entirely disconnect the two.

The old system was nothing more than a pyramid scheme that was based on continuous growth to function. It has come to the end of its usefulness to humanity. Open your mind can you not even conceive of a world without job slavery?

Surely, you cannot harbor the notion that most jobs are in any way productive or that there isn't the potential to relieve human beings of having to do them. Why would you even want people doing jobs of no more real value than digging a hole and filling it up again? Even McDonald's could be largely automated. I am sure you can think of hundreds of jobs that human beings do not need to be doing.

Why warehouse children with mediocre teachers who mostly function as baby sitters and crowd control when they could access the very best teachers in the world online under the supervision of parents who actually love them? Tutors and mentors could also be accessed online for those needing extra help. But, those keeping up on their own or with the help of friends or parents would not need to burden the system further. Why are we supporting those entirely unneeded monstrosities of schools and burning up horrendous amounts of fuel resources in transporting them when their homes are already heated, available and best of all could actually be occupied by their parents? The school system is totally stupid and actually exists to warehouse children so that their parents can go do jobs that don't need doing. Get rid of the current school system and you have freed hundreds of thousands of wage slaves.

For most ailments, people do not need to go see a doctor. They can be interviewed online and for simple things, if needed, medication can be called in for them then and there. If the doctor or nurse practitioner thinks there is need for a sick person to come in (and thereby become exposed to even more illnesses), they can always make an appointment or send them to an urgent care facility. The doctor could even work right out of their own home. They could even be on the other side of the world when talking to a patient. Doctor's receptionists are not needed. There is one job down.
 

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You cannot blame the jobs or unemployment for anything like that. It every individual's approach whether or not they wanna go for a job if it's good for them or anything else such as business
 
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