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As a Canadian, I've never had an issue with our health care system. I've needed emergency surgery twice and I was admitted the same day the first time, and on the second day the second time. That's my personal experience with our health care system. You will also hear negative experiences from others. It all depends...

I know there are long wait times for certain procedures like knee surgery and hip replacement…things like that.

I don't think any health care system is perfect. I think personal responsibility is the most important aspect of health. If you eat a bag of Cheetos three times per day, smoke three packs of cigarettes per day and your idea of exercise is using the Internet, then chances are you will need to seek out medical services A LOT! However, nothing in life is guaranteed.
 

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As a Canadian, I've never had an issue with our health care system. I've needed emergency surgery twice and I was admitted the same day the first time, and on the second day the second time. That's my personal experience with our health care system. You will also hear negative experiences from others. It all depends...

I know there are long wait times for certain procedures like knee surgery and hip replacement…things like that.

I don't think any health care system is perfect. I think personal responsibility is the most important aspect of health. If you eat a bag of Cheetos three times per day, smoke three packs of cigarettes per day and your idea of exercise is using the Internet, then chances are you will need to seek out medical services A LOT! However, nothing in life is guaranteed.
That's not what they want to hear. They want to hear about people dying in the waiting room. Get with the program.
 

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http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/16/r...ds-fled-socialized-canadian-medicine-in-2013/
Just wanted to put this out so maybe, we will see how health care could
endup. So any canuks want to give their 2 cents worth.
Keep in mind America didn't get "socialized medicine" what we got was a take from the middle class (again) to pay a middleman (the insurance industry) and the healthcare gets the rest, system.

"Obamacare" will be more expensive (because it isn't socialist) than all other socialized healthcare system's combined.
 

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the system works well for 99% of problems, we need to go elsewhere sometimes for more specialized treatments though,
for example until very recently many places wouldn't test for lyme, my mom had to go to seattle to get a test done, and now may be needing to go south to get treatment, however because of many cases like this popping up they are beginning to recognize it as a problem and adjusting their policies etc.
 

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People come to America for healthcare for many reasons... here are a few reasons why they come and how Oliarcare will be diligently working on ways to prevent this medical tourism in the future.

1. In the U.S., people can collaborate with their doctors about their treatment options and final decision. In many other countries, the government is involved in medical decisions, so some people do not get the proper care they need. (Oliarcare will fix this problem here by dictating who gets what medical treatments and how much providers and insurance companies can charge).

2. America has some of the best hospitals in the world. Cleveland, for example, as shown above, has one of the best heart hospitals in the world. In fact, a Saudi prince came to this hospital to have heart surgery. Also, Cincinnati has a children's hospital that is also well-known throughout the globe for its incredible work with sick children. (Oliarcare is working on this too by cutting reimbursement rates and forcing hospitals out of insurance networks. Over time the best hospitals will become smaller and tailored to those with the ability to pay --- politicians, government employees, rock stars, sports figures, etc.).

3. The doctors in America are very well trained. It takes six years of schooling and then more time to complete a residency program before a doctor can even think about having their own practice or joining one that is already established. The medical schools in the U.S. are really difficult to complete. (Oliarcare is providing ample incentives to NOT become a doctor --- doctors will soon spend more time trying to complete paperwork and begging for reimbursement than they do treating patients. 40 million new low/no paying patents will be forced on them which should just about do it for most doctors who are lining up to retire).

4. The United States has been known for decades for having the most advanced treatments in the world. Studies have consistently shown that cancer patients have at least tripled the chances of surviving cancer compared to any other country around the globe. The state of the art technology in the U.S. has helped it to become the best in the world as far as long-term care and many surgical procedures. (Oliarcare will help to put a damper on R&D due to taxes on medical devices and drugs to collect $ to pay for free and subsidized insurance for 40 million new patients. That should provide substantial incentives to not invent new medical devices and drugs which should force providers to revert back to older and cheaper technology and drugs to avoid costs associated with technology breakthroughs. We should get back to using leaches and bleeding patients in no time).
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I love to hear the beating drum for socialism, always entertaining and Im glad to see you really like your healthcare, you can keep it.

Our pres sold us on how his signature program was going to be cheaper by $2500, if you liked your healthcare plan, you could keep it, if you like your doc, you could keep him/her period, all these promises that were all lies.

What we are getting is much higher premiums, giant deductibles, hospitals laying off workers and not paying salaries, less insured than prior, no control, no idea how many people sign up, people that sign up dont have any proof they are insured, doctors leaving the US, the gov subsidizing 4 out of 5 people, the gov is cutting blank checks to insurance companies, bail outs, illegal waivers to unions and his buddies, supporters etc. He counts people in medicare as being under obozocare. This guy lies about everything other than he was going to transform the US and how he will continue his dictatorship thru more of his favorite exec actions and has blown as much money as he possibly can. $4.5 billion wouldve covered the uninsured, he spending as much as he can.

I love how he gave the website to Michelle's friend on a no bid contract to a Canadian co that already got fired from by the Canadian gov for their poor quality. And this is only the beginning.

I just cant wait to see him fix the equality issue in the States next. Im sure he will continue his legendary community organizing style of pres leadership.
 

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I think you shouldn't just look at the type of system, but look at what is inside of it. My Canadian friend had the same GP for 20 years. That is unheard of here. When I go to a clinic, I sometimes get the same doc twice, but mostly I get someone I've never met before. Taxes pay for both our healthcares but just guess who gets the best care?
 

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I'm from Canada and our health care here in Ontario has literally saved my life on two occassions. Sometimes I've had a long wait, most of the time I go to emerg I'm seeing a doc and getting fixed up within the hour.

Our biggest problem in our medium sized town was GP's. There was a very bad shortage untill just recently. It's starting to get better, many of the smaller towns in the area have banded together to offer incentives to attract GP's. The bigger ities, especially a place like Toronto, has a huge number of specalists.
 

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Overall the Canadian system is fairly decent. It definitely has problems and long wait times in some areas, but overall it's pretty decent imo. Joint replacements was a problem area mentioned, and that one is pretty big. A friend of mine messed up his hip in his mid 40's in a motorcycle accident. He won't be eligible for a hip replacement until his 60's, because he was told he'd wear the first one out if he got it that young, and apparently some people believe they're too expensive to be handed out willy-nilly to just anyone. Joints in general are an issue, my sister has been waiting several months to see a knee specialist, and still has a couple of months to go.

Another area where the U.S. has an advantage is some of the not so well known diseases or conditions, where treatments can be slow here in Canada, or other treatments are not even available yet. This also applies to cutting edge treatments for common diseases. Every so often you'll come across a fundraiser here looking to pay for someone's treatment for this or that in the U.S., usually a child.

One reason for a large number of Canadians travelling out of the country for "medical care" is dental work. It's hella expensive here, and not covered by healthcare where I am, and many people don't have supplemental insurance for it. So people go elsewhere for it, especially major, long-term non-emergency work. My own uncle travelled to Mexico to have a bunch of bridgework done. He spent $3200 plus the cost of the holiday for what would have cost him over $20k here. He was happy with the work.

As for Americans havin a 3x better chance to survive cancer than in any other country on the globe? I'd like to see stats backing that up, because I'm pretty sure they don't exist. I know our own local Children's Hospital treats American cancer patients, as well as other diseases. I would have to say Canadian survival rates would probably be very similar.

Overall, our system is pretty good and most people are happy with it. It could always be improved, but there is no system that can't be. Most of the complaints are about wait times, and the vast majority of -that- comes from cuts in federal spending to the provinces. When the agreement for universal health care was reached, the federal govt. and provinces both agreed to certain levels of funding. The federal govt. has not held up their end of the agreement.

Overall I personally am quite satisfied with healthcare here. Over the years, there have been efforts to "Americanize" aspects of our healthcare, such as being able to pay for certain tests or procedures on your own, to get them done quicker, which I personally am in favour of. But for the most part, that was shot down pretty quickly by the fed govt. Typical; they don't pay their bill, yet still want to tell us how to spend our own money. Nowadays though, you don't hear anyone bring that up, considering what a mess Obamacare is. I know two retired couples, both with dual citizenship, who would prefer living in the U.S. fulltime instead of just the winters and just visit back to Canada. Both, however, live in Canada their six months plus a day, just so they can keep healthcare. Both did that before Obamacare, so that wasn't a consideration.
 

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Keep in mind America didn't get "socialized medicine" what we got was a take from the middle class (again) to pay a middleman (the insurance industry) and the healthcare gets the rest, system.

"Obamacare" will be more expensive (because it isn't socialist) than all other socialized healthcare system's combined.
Exactly .. what we now have is a former PAYING insurance populace overcharged and now can't afford insurance, the non insured /welfare recipients expecting it "free" (We know NOTHING in life is free and We are broke)
 

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I'm british and I dont really have any complaints about our health service except for being to easy on people who cause themselves to be ill .
yes america has some of the worlds best doctors and some great hospitals, but your biggest cause of familys going bankrupt is healthcare .
A few years ago I fractured my neck in a car crash trying to protect my passengers, and I was paralysed from the neck down for 20 something hours, they thought I would be like that for good .
And I knew that I didnt need to worry about health care costs or whether my insurance company would try to screw me.
In my case it worked out fine, but if that had happened to me in the states I would have been worried even if I was insured because insurance companys are out to make money.
 

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Our healthcare system is an awful mess. Literally thousands die from cancer every day because the socialist government doesn't think that cancer exists than doesn't treat anything else expensive either. I cross the border to America and have a secret doctor there so I can get real treatment. That is why so many Canadians live near the border. I have to post here with Tor because if CSIS finds out about me spending my own money on healthcare General Secretary Harper will personally hit me with a hockey stick, and then not treat me, because he runs the DEATH PANELS. Zomg.

But actually, the healthcare system here is pretty good. Sometimes joint care is botched, very expensive/rare/unproven treatments are not necessarily available. Some of this is not because of the system as much as geography. Canada has a population comparable to Texas spread out over the second largest country in the world. In areas of low population density specialists and good doctors are not necessarily available.

The system is cheap and no one I personally know thinks the system itself is really broken at a fundamental level. There has been some scandals of corruption here in Ontario: look up the ehealth scandal. This is because our politicians are scum (as Americans will recognize).

My American family members more often than not would spend time in Canada (as citizens) so they would not have to deal with the US health care system (pre Obamacare).

I honestly don't know why anybody thinks Romneycare/Obamacare is a good idea. You lot should have just followed the rest of civilized world and got an actual single-payer/socialized medicine system instead of the insurance scam your politicians want.

Oh, and the article is just plain goofy. The Fraser Institute and every other right-wing think tank has it in for Canada's healthcare system because it doesn't fit their neat little free market dogma. One percent according to the article seeking treatment in the United States means the other 99% are taking the chances up here. That being said, I don't know anyone who has engaged in 'medical tourism' and a quick survey of the people in the room means no one else does either in my immediate vicinity.

I'm guessing the medical tourists are very wealthy, urban, and possibly already spending some time in the United States even if they were healthy. I probably don't know enough of the absurdly wealthy to know medical tourists.
 

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People come to America for healthcare for many reasons... here are a few reasons why they come and how Oliarcare will be diligently working on ways to prevent this medical tourism in the future.

1. In the U.S., people can collaborate with their doctors about their treatment options and final decision. In many other countries, the government is involved in medical decisions, so some people do not get the proper care they need. (Oliarcare will fix this problem here by dictating who gets what medical treatments and how much providers and insurance companies can charge).

2. America has some of the best hospitals in the world. Cleveland, for example, as shown above, has one of the best heart hospitals in the world. In fact, a Saudi prince came to this hospital to have heart surgery. Also, Cincinnati has a children's hospital that is also well-known throughout the globe for its incredible work with sick children. (Oliarcare is working on this too by cutting reimbursement rates and forcing hospitals out of insurance networks. Over time the best hospitals will become smaller and tailored to those with the ability to pay --- politicians, government employees, rock stars, sports figures, etc.).

3. The doctors in America are very well trained. It takes six years of schooling and then more time to complete a residency program before a doctor can even think about having their own practice or joining one that is already established. The medical schools in the U.S. are really difficult to complete. (Oliarcare is providing ample incentives to NOT become a doctor --- doctors will soon spend more time trying to complete paperwork and begging for reimbursement than they do treating patients. 40 million new low/no paying patents will be forced on them which should just about do it for most doctors who are lining up to retire).

4. The United States has been known for decades for having the most advanced treatments in the world. Studies have consistently shown that cancer patients have at least tripled the chances of surviving cancer compared to any other country around the globe. The state of the art technology in the U.S. has helped it to become the best in the world as far as long-term care and many surgical procedures. (Oliarcare will help to put a damper on R&D due to taxes on medical devices and drugs to collect $ to pay for free and subsidized insurance for 40 million new patients. That should provide substantial incentives to not invent new medical devices and drugs which should force providers to revert back to older and cheaper technology and drugs to avoid costs associated with technology breakthroughs. We should get back to using leaches and bleeding patients in no time).
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Solved that whole health insurance inequality thing didn't he. Can't wait till he solves the income inequality thing. everyone on minimum wage, YEAH!

Any system that lets a privately-insured, hardworking, otherwise healthy person, go bankrupt because of a serious illness is a flawed system.
Yeah, Higher deductibles, higher copays and no caps will sure correct that situation. Oh wait I see the difference, you said privately insured not government subsidized.
 

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It's not a like for like comparison. The average Canadian citizen is getting a MUCH better service than the US, for less money too I suspect, and it is available to everyone. Sure, there are some specialist treatments there that might not be available, or be available in smaller numbers in other countries, but that is purely because the US spends such a vast amount of money and restricts access to those services to those who can pay. Let's also not forget that the US is mostly copay, so you pay 20% of an already inflated hospital bill.
 
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