[Jdog67]

Technically....unless you paid cash and the title is in your name with no lien on it, that's not true. Until you pay it off, the vehicle legally belongs to whoever gave you the loan.

The could easily include language in the contract requiring the lock out and allowing use if you miss "X" payents as part of the terms; and most people would be happy to sign it. In which case, removing the antenna, or defeating it in any way, would be breach of contract.

No, the titled owner is the owner, the lienholder merely possesses a lien. The vehicle legally belongs to the owner, not the lender. While the lender does have some contractual rights, they are not the owner. You don't have to consult with them before modifying your vehicle.

 

[lasers]

Got a chuckle out of that.
Most people know that everything is interlocked via the computer.
Any sensor out of range, or not reporting, and the vehicle will either slow down to max 20 mph, or stop altogether. That's already here. Stopping and locking the doors is just the next step. They'll probably include an ejection seat for those who refuse to leave the vehicle.

From when vehicles first started having computers up until the mid 2010's vehicles were designed so that when a sensor was triggered or went bad the computer would could compensate for it and keep the vehicle running. The vehicle could run indefinitely with bad, or missing sensors. Even if that could lead to destroying the engine.

Somewhere around 2015 they started changing that and the computer would compensate for emission sensors not working but would shut down the vehicle before damage if it was overheating or had low oil pressure.

But now modern vehicles will shut down if emissions sensors show a problem. So by the time they get to the second or third hand market they will be unusable.

It is a slow evolution to taking control away from the owner.

 

[ajole]

No, the titled owner is the owner, the lienholder merely possesses a lien. The vehicle legally belongs to the owner, not the lender. While the lender does have some contractual rights, they are not the owner. You don't have to consult with them before modifying your vehicle.

You are 100% right, legally.

But in the end....they can take your property as it is essentially collateral for the loan, meaning you no longer own it; and as I said, they CAN put language in the contract that doesn't allow you to modify it. If they do go to these systems, and you CAN remove, delete or nullify it; I would expect them to do so.

 

[lasers]

I have heard that a lot of questionable used car lots install a starter interrupter that allows them to remotely track and disable your car if you don't make payments. You can buy them online for $70 and you need a $10 a month data plan to use it.

I don't know how common it is, the only time it makes the news is when they accidentally shut down the wrong vehicle or something goes wrong and it disables the vehicle on its own.

 

[charliemeyer007]

Jokes on them, even if I hit the "lootery" I wouldn't buy any new car.

 

[44magman]

Regardless of legalease, miss a couple payments and you will see who really owns it. The bank. That rented lifestyle just isnt for me. I enjoy owning things.

 

[Silver Pie]

Yet more reasons to keep driving my old carb’d F250 with minimal electronics. Idk what man needs all that computerized 💩 in the new trucks anyways. I will still be driving even after an emp hit as well. While all those new trucks will become driveway ornaments overnight.

Mine is a 2001 Buick LeSabre and definitely has some electronic parts. I would love a pickup (and maybe a car) that had zero computer components, and ran well. Still, my car is lacking all the "goodies" we keep being threatened with. I'm thinking the parts they've said they're planning to rent to the car owners (I forget what they are, but something like radio, heat, etc.), as well as this latest about locking people out (which I see being greatly abused by anyone who can hack it). Also, no one can unlock my car with a remote device because you have to put the key in the door to unlock it.

 

[Tombstone357]

I worked with Ford for 13 years, but swore them to hell when they forced their employees to take the bioweapon shots.

I have worked at a Ford dealer and almost no one had the shot, we didn't really even wear masks. You talking about assembly line people maybe ? Which is still ****. But I started buying Ford when GM took the bailout. It's tough to vote with your dollar sometimes

 

[Tombstone357]

Technically....unless you paid cash and the title is in your name with no lien on it, that's not true. Until you pay it off, the vehicle legally belongs to whoever gave you the loan.

The could easily include language in the contract requiring the lock out and allowing use if you miss "X" payents as part of the terms; and most people would be happy to sign it. In which case, removing the antenna, or defeating it in any way, would be breach of contract.

Used car lots do this now. This is a common practice.

 

[RickInMn]

I have heard that a lot of questionable used car lots install a starter interrupter that allows them to remotely track and disable your car if you don't make payments. You can buy them online for $70 and you need a $10 a month data plan to use it.

I don't know how common it is, the only time it makes the news is when they accidentally shut down the wrong vehicle or something goes wrong and it disables the vehicle on its own.

I think you mean car lots that are willing to sell to questionable customers

 

[44magman]

Mine is a 2001 Buick LeSabre and definitely has some electronic parts. I would love a pickup (and maybe a car) that had zero computer components, and ran well. Still, my car is lacking all the "goodies" we keep being threatened with. I'm thinking the parts they've said they're planning to rent to the car owners (I forget what they are, but something like radio, heat, etc.), as well as this latest about locking people out (which I see being greatly abused by anyone who can hack it). Also, no one can unlock my car with a remote device because you have to put the key in the door to unlock it.

Well you should be well safe from all this nonsense then. They have had the ability to remotely lock people out of their cars for reposession for over 10 years now. I had a 2015 Dodge Challenger for awhile before I sold it, in which not only could the bank lock you out of your car for 1 month of non payment, they could also remotely disable the computer so it wouldnt run at all. Your key fobs wont even open the doors at that point. I saw it happen myself to several people who were in the same local car club as me, and had the same model and year as me. There were also stories of hackers getting into some hellcats and disabling the abs brakes to make people crash. The rabbit hole goes deep there. Not something I wanna be a part of…but its coming for anyone who buys a new vehicle now.

I bought an old ‘94 F250 years ago and converted the 460C in it from electronic fuel injection, to carburator and an old points style distributor ignition setup. No electronics to fry on mine, so I will still be driving even after an EMP Blast.

 

[Spitfire]

Technically....unless you paid cash and the title is in your name with no lien on it, that's not true. Until you pay it off, the vehicle legally belongs to whoever gave you the loan.

The could easily include language in the contract requiring the lock out and allowing use if you miss "X" payents as part of the terms; and most people would be happy to sign it. In which case, removing the antenna, or defeating it in any way, would be breach of contract.

All true. And the next evolution of this will be smart homes that lock you out when you miss a single payment by a day. Your bank account will be locked when you try and buy something "unapproved" by your bank. Your social credit rating will drop when you say something "unpatriotic" against the administration. You will not be allowed to travel freely nor will you be eligible for certain preferred jobs. Your life (or at least those of your kids and grandchildren) will be controlled a few corporations and their paid for politicians and special interests. This is not what America was supposed to be.

The world is truly turning into the corporatists hellscape that has been long predicted. I am a capitalist, but this is not capitalism. Nor is it the freedom my ancestors died for.

 

[Spitfire]

Regardless of legalease, miss a couple payments and you will see who really owns it. The bank. That rented lifestyle just isnt for me. I enjoy owning things.

Me too. There was this "think tank" (DAVOS) a few years back that came to the conclusion that in the near future you will own nothing and will "be happy". Exactly who benefits from that sort of arrangement? Obviously the owners of all the "things". It's just all so silly only a fool would fall for it.

Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city". I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

www.forbes.com

 

[44magman]

Me too. There was this "think tank" (DAVOS) a few years back that came to the conclusion that in the near future you will own nothing and will "be happy". Exactly who benefits from that sort of arrangement? Obviously the owners of all the "things". It's just all so silly only a fool would fall for it.

Welcome To 2030: I Own Nothing, Have No Privacy And Life Has Never Been Better

Welcome to the year 2030. Welcome to my city - or should I say, "our city". I don't own anything. I don't own a car. I don't own a house. I don't own any appliances or any clothes.

www.forbes.com

Yeah they got a snowballs chance in hell of that ever flying here in the states. They cant force mass compliance with their plan in this country, it wont be happening.

 

[mark68]

Can they figure out a way to shut one down, when these idiots are driving north, in the southbound lane and running from the police, at 130 MPH?

Would seem to be a more pressing issue. Automatic speeding tickets issued based on GPS withdrawn from your bank account would be a financial boon as well. Speeding and no money in your account? Car shuts off.

 

[Silver Pie]

They have had the ability to remotely lock people out of their cars for reposession for over 10 years now. I had a 2015 Dodge Challenger for awhile before I sold it, in which not only could the bank lock you out of your car for 1 month of non payment, they could also remotely disable the computer so it wouldnt run at all. Your key fobs wont even open the doors at that point. I saw it happen myself to several people who were in the same local car club as me, and had the same model and year as me. There were also stories of hackers getting into some hellcats and disabling the abs brakes to make people crash.

Holy crap!