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Wile E Coyote, Genius.
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I am hooked on buying these old HP Elitebooks used on Amazon.

Clean as a whistle, disk was wiped and a new copy of Win 10 was loaded.
Battery seems decent. just a tad over 100 bucks.

So far Win 10 is taking some getting used to.
They hid the control panel.
It has some voice assistant that can't hear me.
The touchpad driver sucks. They disabled the "momentum-coast" feature.
Barbarians! So if I am 10 screens down on a thread, I have to hit home now to get back to the top, or else scroll the page 10 times.

It looks like I have some free version of Microsoft office on it, which I guess is nice.

The software forces updates, which I suppose is a good idea for security.
 

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They hid the control panel.

The software forces updates, which I suppose is a good idea for security.
Control panel is in same place it was in windows 7, 8, 8.1 and probably Vista:
Just hit Win key and start typing C-O-N-T...

If you want to use mouse to find control panel, search for it once and from the results right click and select pin to Start. I'm not really fan of the new UI in the way it tries to cater to touch screen users. I'd rather have both ways always.

We got forced updates because some dumbasses disabled them and then complained windows is bad because it didn't work properly and there was/still is worldwide virus/malware problems.
 

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The dumb asses had to pay MS to fix them. MS did not complain.

And the reason ONLY the special user (no you) can only delete things form the PC.
Cant even delete the MS crap you do not want. MS told me buy a bigger hard drive.

You can not stop them from spying is the reason you the unreliable user cant do anything with their software or their computer. You just leased it.

Oh yeah then there is that social media thing. In Edge you can ot even clean your history that is kept in the cloud, not for you.
 

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Wile E Coyote, Genius.
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Control panel is in same place it was in windows 7, 8, 8.1 and probably Vista:
Just hit Win key and start typing C-O-N-T...

If you want to use mouse to find control panel, search for it once and from the results right click and select pin to Start. I'm not really fan of the new UI in the way it tries to cater to touch screen users. I'd rather have both ways always.

We got forced updates because some dumbasses disabled them and then complained windows is bad because it didn't work properly and there was/still is worldwide virus/malware problems.
Well, they moved it, and called the programs APPs now.

Reminds me of an old episode of WKRP .
Somebody was going to open up a care center for homeless drunks.
But it was in some new area.
Somebody said, you can't move it, not even a little bit, or the drunks won't find it. It's gotta be right where they remember, or they'll never find it. :)

The thing that is really killing me is the loss of the momentum coast feature of the touchpad.

On both win 7 machines, I had to load a different driver version for the synaptics touchpad to have the coast feature.
But don't think I can do that with this machine.
 

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There are ways to make Windows 10 look and behave like Windows 7. It will still update automatically and spy on you but at least everything will be where it should.
You can shut all that crap off if you want, and know how. Personally, my "DD", is still on Win7Pro. No plans on changing it. I DO have another machine with Linux Mint 19.3 on it though.
 

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You can shut all that crap off if you want, and know how. Personally, my "DD", is still on Win7Pro. No plans on changing it. I DO have another machine with Linux Mint 19.3 on it though.
You can also run Win 10, a Linux VM and access all of your terminal linux tools from any folder in Win 10 with a simple shift + right click if you install Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).
 

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I miss my windows 7 machines. I just switched to Chromebooks, hp streams, and win 10.
Everything changes...

Watch out for Chromebooks, they have a shelf life where they wont let you get security updates anymore...
 

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You can also run Win 10, a Linux VM and access all of your terminal linux tools from any folder in Win 10 with a simple shift + right click if you install Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).
That will depend on your hardware. There are MANY computers that aren't as Linux compatible as you might think.
 

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Watch out for Chromebooks, they have a shelf life where they wont let you get security updates anymore...
I have been using Chromebooks since 2013 and have never had a security update. What I mean is they don't require security updates, automatic OS updates come every six weeks or so. The 2013 Chromebook is as up-to-date as the 2017 Chromebook.
 

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Wile E Coyote, Genius.
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What specifically do you like about the HPs? I've never owned them. Had a couple of Thinkpads that I've liked.
The HP Elitebook was built for industry I think. Very robust design and just about every feature you can think of.
Awesome touchpad
strong lid hinge and latch
lighted function buttons top row.
Fingerprint reader
display port, VGA port, 4 USB ports, SAT port, solid power connection point
DVR R/W drive
Decent hard drive
fast machine.
SD slot
Some other expansion card slot.
Decent battery life.
No nonsense, stable operation.
Solid old school features.
The used ones are dirt cheap. 100 bucks, and because they are such solid machines, should still give years of service.
Hard drive etc are a simple R&R panel access.
Its a little heavy and clunky compared with new stuff. It is also 100 bucks, so for me, I can put up with a couple lbs of weight.


Here is a guy doing a review of one.

 

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I switched over to windows 10 a few months ago. 10 presented a bit of a bit of a learning curve, easy enough just different. I don't look at it as they hid things on me rather I haven't found my way to them just yet.

I do agree with clearing your browser cache, also disable microphones, cameras, Cortana, keep sensitive information away from the cloud and do not letting MS store your passwords.
 
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I bought an HP laptop recently with Win 10 on it, ran it for two days, then I wiped the drive clean and installed Linux Mint, and never going to look back.
I could go into so many details as to why it's better than 10 ...........
 

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Wile E Coyote, Genius.
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I bought an HP laptop recently with Win 10 on it, ran it for two days, then I wiped the drive clean and installed Linux Mint, and never going to look back.
I could go into so many details as to why it's better than 10 ...........
Feel free. I wouldn't mind learning about it.
 

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I bought a used HP EliteDesk 800 G2 this past week, with WIN10-Pro installed. I am a long time satisfied WINXp user but needed 64BIT OS to run an engineering project on a supported OS.

I am a power user and have two monitors and often 3 or 4 applications/documents etc., running at once.

I really miss the File Explorer in WINXp and the ability to open multiple file explorer windows. If anyone knows how to do that please let me know.
 

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The operating system core (kernel) is password protected from anything making any changes to it (Windows can access the OS and make changes as it sees fit to spy on you or install malware), YOU are in control of what changes are made.
From what I understand, Windows has at least 40 secret "backdoors" that any good hacker, the gov't, or even MS can sneak in any time, I don't have that problem.
I do not need to run anti virus or anti malware programs.
I don't have need to defrag the drive.
Boot up and shut down times are considerably less, often shut down takes but a couple seconds.
When you do a search (music files for example) Windows allows you to type 2 letters before it changes the search results, I can type as many letters as I want to find a specific group or song and get the correct match immediately the first time.
Linux doesn't put data at the very end of the used portion of the harddrive, it keeps related things together and access is much faster and it doesn't have to search all over creation to find the file you are looking for.
I can run most Windows programs if I have need to, but in my applications, I have found only a couple I need to use, Linux will do everything I need to do.
Linux has its own varieties of programs for free that do the same thing a lot of programs that MS has that they charge a premium for.
Linux has a huge plethura of add on programs for free, including audio, video, scientific programs, educational, the list is almost endless.
The list goes on if my brain returns to thinking mode.
 
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