Faith Healers. Skill to be sought or delusional?
Serious replies only, please.
Serious replies only, please.
GentWoodfield
Personally i think faith can heal non physical wounds, as to the physical i don't believe it works at all.
it's about time you backed off from your heavy work load to come out and play........i will have a serius reply tomarrow bud.........
Well
Well, trying leads to progress which leads to real world testing which leads
to dispair which leads to resolution to a renewed effort which leads to progress which leads to real world testing which.....
I figure 2 more years- then on to college again to win my PharmD and
what I really want to do with my remaining years-- to be a part of good team in a nice starched white coat with my name cheaply embroidered and really In the Game.
Well, trying leads to progress which leads to real world testing which leads
to dispair which leads to resolution to a renewed effort which leads to progress which leads to real world testing which.....
I figure 2 more years- then on to college again to win my PharmD and
what I really want to do with my remaining years-- to be a part of good team in a nice starched white coat with my name cheaply embroidered and really In the Game.
I believe there is a very strong mind/body connection.
SO... If the mind is willing to have the faith...
OTOH... I do not believe it will work in all cases.
SO... If the mind is willing to have the faith...
OTOH... I do not believe it will work in all cases.
Well, I wish to remind all of you you, that a mere religious belief may be the reason you are in an end of the world as we know it experience.
I would not discount religious belief as a powerful force in our world.
I have bought the learning company introductions to the religions of the world.
I think it important to give religion and belief in it its proper due.
Even if you are a non believer and champion of science there are others
who are willing to die for their beliefs and take you with them if need be.
Healing, back to the point, is only the realm of what humans know and
any supplications of the Almighty delusional then? Jesus seemed to have
a good grasp of healing.
Anyone?
I would not discount religious belief as a powerful force in our world.
I have bought the learning company introductions to the religions of the world.
I think it important to give religion and belief in it its proper due.
Even if you are a non believer and champion of science there are others
who are willing to die for their beliefs and take you with them if need be.
Healing, back to the point, is only the realm of what humans know and
any supplications of the Almighty delusional then? Jesus seemed to have
a good grasp of healing.
Anyone?
As one who has been healed by the hand of God (skin cancer) I can testify that when healings bring Glory to God as the source, they're real and from Him. If it brings recognition or money or pride or anything puffed up and unholy especially to a human being, it's not God.
So, the answer seems to be 'Maybe'.
So, the answer seems to be 'Maybe'.
Make your comment, be respectful and move on please.
Insulting someone or calling them delusional could very well be considered a insult to there religion, please dont do that.
Insulting someone or calling them delusional could very well be considered a insult to there religion, please dont do that.
Well, that is an interesting observation of itself. And I wish to repeat that a very likely trigger of having to go to our preparations is religion.
I do not run across faith healing or shamans much here in the midwest, but my buddy who serves Indian reservations says that ceremonies of various types by various practioners are not uncommon.
We routinely pray for the sick in Sunday services in church and I participate
in those prayers without feeling foolish or delusional. Then again, I talk to God, He has never spoken to me other than thru the quiet still voice that
I recognize as my conscience.
Interesting that we can scoff one moment and participate actively the next, is it not?
Anyone?
I do not run across faith healing or shamans much here in the midwest, but my buddy who serves Indian reservations says that ceremonies of various types by various practioners are not uncommon.
We routinely pray for the sick in Sunday services in church and I participate
in those prayers without feeling foolish or delusional. Then again, I talk to God, He has never spoken to me other than thru the quiet still voice that
I recognize as my conscience.
Interesting that we can scoff one moment and participate actively the next, is it not?
Anyone?
here is a simplistic view of faith healing......''faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen''....faith is a power force with the ability to change things in the natural realm.....''faith healing'' is the ability to use the power force of faith in order to heal the human body weather this force is from someone laying hands on you or recieving healing from the spirit of god inside you......how successfull the individual is in obtaining healing this way depends on how much time and effort he or she spent developing spiritually in this specific area.......
where healing from god is concerned the individual need only learn to ''receive it'' because jesus paid the price, ''and he himself bore our sicknesses on his body on the cross,for by his wounds we were healed''
because of this we need only recieve it as opposed to earning it......
learning to recieve healing is a developmental process well worth the time and should be a required study corse for every believer in christ before some sickness appears in life......this is my premise....any intellegent questions concerning what i have wrote?
where healing from god is concerned the individual need only learn to ''receive it'' because jesus paid the price, ''and he himself bore our sicknesses on his body on the cross,for by his wounds we were healed''
because of this we need only recieve it as opposed to earning it......
learning to recieve healing is a developmental process well worth the time and should be a required study corse for every believer in christ before some sickness appears in life......this is my premise....any intellegent questions concerning what i have wrote?
Personally, I believe there is healing via the power of prayer. You didn't mention what manner of faith healing you were talking about. I would relate an experience with faith healing in the Phillipines - people may or may not have heard about it - also called "psychic surgery." In the early 80's my best friend's sister was dating a guy named Larry who swore up and down he'd gotten "healed" on a trip to Manila - had a photo album with pictures and everything of his supposed surgeries. Pictures were pretty graphic and he sounded very convincing. In 1986 my mom was diagnosed with ovarian cancer - I made an appointment for her to get a second opinion and she was hospitalized on the spot - they did surgery the next day - removed 7 pounds of tumor, about 1 1/2 feet of colon, one kidney. Well, the panic set in pretty quick when we got the overall prognosis. It is an awful feeling when you feel so helpless with a loved one in that situation - just about any solution crosses your mind no matter how crazy it might sound. Anyway, called my friend's sister to see if she could get in touch with the guy who'd been to the Phillipines - turned out the guy was a total fraud and was taking a cut of the profits sheperding planes of gullible people to go and get fake surgery. A lot has come out since then about this dirty scam - even though it is still going on and people still get caught up in it. Christ cautioned us to constantly renew our minds - he warned us not to be gullible or ignorant - Jesus was one of the original critical thinkers. With that said, I'd say if the tree bears good fruit - great - if it doesn't - better watch out for the worms.
Experienced quick relief, quick recoveries, etc... all of which some will say are good examples of the body healing quickly, or mind over matter..etc...
BUT.. when my daughter's severed fingertip was regenerated (1/4" sliced clean off) at a meeting, that made believers out of a lot of people. No scar, no disjointed fingerprint.
Most faith healing we see on TV and such.... I believe it to be a fraud. I've been to meetings where there were staged healings that were unverifiable, "healers" attmepting to blame the congregation for a lack of healing events, all the while taking up a collection.... profaning the name of Yahshua all the while.
My firm belief is that most healings are to glorify God Himself... we get an added benefit. Sometimes, it's just plain mercy, but I can't say how or when He choses to do what He does. His choice, and He is sovereign. But no one can tell anyone at that meeting that she was NOT healed. A broken glass does no reassemble itself... no sireeee.... To this day, the family experiences great peace from the recognized hand of God in our lives. The Lord is not one to be "tested", or "tried".... and my greatest help from Him has been within my soul... peace, inspiration, courage. The physical... surviving major sickness, healing in my knee, etc... is rare, welcome, and far less valuable to me than the inner life I have. If I never have physical help again, I'm fine with that. It's actually quite nice to give and receive from human hands, promted by God's hnds, and to recognize it... get to take part in it!!
Plenty say, "If God will show me himself.... I'll believe." Hi words are, "No... you won't." Even when there is a genuine healing.... some there doubt. The human mind is given all kinds of credit for this or that power...... well, one of those powers is that which causes disbelief in the presence of proof... because a cherished system is being attacked. THAT can lead to all kinds of problems and conflicts, too!
.....even Yashu was disbelieved and rejected..... should I expect better than He? Nope. But I still do my best to help people that think like or different than me. Maybe some will come to our side???
BUT.. when my daughter's severed fingertip was regenerated (1/4" sliced clean off) at a meeting, that made believers out of a lot of people. No scar, no disjointed fingerprint.
Most faith healing we see on TV and such.... I believe it to be a fraud. I've been to meetings where there were staged healings that were unverifiable, "healers" attmepting to blame the congregation for a lack of healing events, all the while taking up a collection.... profaning the name of Yahshua all the while.
My firm belief is that most healings are to glorify God Himself... we get an added benefit. Sometimes, it's just plain mercy, but I can't say how or when He choses to do what He does. His choice, and He is sovereign. But no one can tell anyone at that meeting that she was NOT healed. A broken glass does no reassemble itself... no sireeee.... To this day, the family experiences great peace from the recognized hand of God in our lives. The Lord is not one to be "tested", or "tried".... and my greatest help from Him has been within my soul... peace, inspiration, courage. The physical... surviving major sickness, healing in my knee, etc... is rare, welcome, and far less valuable to me than the inner life I have. If I never have physical help again, I'm fine with that. It's actually quite nice to give and receive from human hands, promted by God's hnds, and to recognize it... get to take part in it!!
Plenty say, "If God will show me himself.... I'll believe." Hi words are, "No... you won't." Even when there is a genuine healing.... some there doubt. The human mind is given all kinds of credit for this or that power...... well, one of those powers is that which causes disbelief in the presence of proof... because a cherished system is being attacked. THAT can lead to all kinds of problems and conflicts, too!
.....even Yashu was disbelieved and rejected..... should I expect better than He? Nope. But I still do my best to help people that think like or different than me. Maybe some will come to our side???
Religion or "Way of Living"
James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
I have been a missionary/pastor for over 33 years.... does it work.... yes... everytime.... yes, but... there's always big buts...
I have seen miraculous recoveries from what the meds said were hopeless cases. In the same light,I have prayed thousands of times, sought out the elders to anoint me and pray and lay hands on me for the pain from 43 years of a broken back and neck... I still have the pain, but I can walk and function which the meds said I would not be able to do.
How do you explain the difference?
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Paul did what God told him to do for healing, and Paul wasn't healed. I have done all I know what to do to be healed and I am not healed. The point is that God has a plan for each of our lives, you either seek it and fit into it, or you do not. Many times God miraculously heals and delivers, other time He does not. I don't know why, other than it always is according to His plan.
If someone claims to be a "healer" and you do see miracles performed, the rest of their life had better conform to Gods plan or they are false, even though God may use "healers" to do good things.
As a pastor when someone from the church calls for prayer and healing, I do what the Bible says to do and it usually works.
1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
God will not listen to anyone at all unless he is in fellowship with Him. God is Holy and will not look upon sin, not even on His own Son when Jesus took on Himself my sins to pay for me, I believe that is why Jesus was in such anguish in Gethsemane, Jesus knew that God would be "out of fellowship" with His Son during the time Jesus became sin for me.
If you want God's power in your life, you must be in "fellowship" with Him. That means being "fessed up" God knows your sins anyway, admit them and accept the payment Jesus made to the Father for your sins, and you will be in Fellowship with Him.
Most folks treat God like a 911 operator for help, or else like Santa Claus for goodies, without ever "fessing up"... they become disillusioned with Christianity because they say it doesn't work for them, but they never approached our Holy Father with "clean hands and a pure heart"
Paul gives instructions and warnings about the Lord's Supper... the warnings apply to all access to God:
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Faith Healing? It works if you follow the book. Does everyone get permanantly healed from everything? Of course not, no one would ever die if that was the case. God will heal and relieve suffering in many cases that I have witnessed and participated in.
Prayed up... talking to our Father, "fessed up, coming before Him with clean hands and a pure heart... well fed, reading the Bread of Life.. God's Word everyday.....
Get the straight dope, from the Book and the Father Himself... seek and ye shall find...
jus' a thought pilgrim78
James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
I have been a missionary/pastor for over 33 years.... does it work.... yes... everytime.... yes, but... there's always big buts...
I have seen miraculous recoveries from what the meds said were hopeless cases. In the same light,I have prayed thousands of times, sought out the elders to anoint me and pray and lay hands on me for the pain from 43 years of a broken back and neck... I still have the pain, but I can walk and function which the meds said I would not be able to do.
How do you explain the difference?
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Paul did what God told him to do for healing, and Paul wasn't healed. I have done all I know what to do to be healed and I am not healed. The point is that God has a plan for each of our lives, you either seek it and fit into it, or you do not. Many times God miraculously heals and delivers, other time He does not. I don't know why, other than it always is according to His plan.
If someone claims to be a "healer" and you do see miracles performed, the rest of their life had better conform to Gods plan or they are false, even though God may use "healers" to do good things.
As a pastor when someone from the church calls for prayer and healing, I do what the Bible says to do and it usually works.
1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
God will not listen to anyone at all unless he is in fellowship with Him. God is Holy and will not look upon sin, not even on His own Son when Jesus took on Himself my sins to pay for me, I believe that is why Jesus was in such anguish in Gethsemane, Jesus knew that God would be "out of fellowship" with His Son during the time Jesus became sin for me.
If you want God's power in your life, you must be in "fellowship" with Him. That means being "fessed up" God knows your sins anyway, admit them and accept the payment Jesus made to the Father for your sins, and you will be in Fellowship with Him.
Most folks treat God like a 911 operator for help, or else like Santa Claus for goodies, without ever "fessing up"... they become disillusioned with Christianity because they say it doesn't work for them, but they never approached our Holy Father with "clean hands and a pure heart"
Paul gives instructions and warnings about the Lord's Supper... the warnings apply to all access to God:
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
Faith Healing? It works if you follow the book. Does everyone get permanantly healed from everything? Of course not, no one would ever die if that was the case. God will heal and relieve suffering in many cases that I have witnessed and participated in.
Prayed up... talking to our Father, "fessed up, coming before Him with clean hands and a pure heart... well fed, reading the Bread of Life.. God's Word everyday.....
Get the straight dope, from the Book and the Father Himself... seek and ye shall find...
jus' a thought pilgrim78
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