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There are many different types of hand water pumps on the market to choose from. Some can be used with existing electric well pumps if the cylinders are small enough (yielding less water) to fit in the casing with the existing pump. The majority of these pumps are installed for an emergency backup and are not practical for a long term emergency. Some can also pressurize the tank for indoor plumbing; but, it takes a lot of time and effort to pressurize an empty 40-gallon tank to 50 psi with such a small cylinder.

Take all the claims of capacity, gallons per minute, and ease of operation of manual well pumps with a grain of salt - unless they have an actual demonstration of a deep well application stating the static water level, size of cylinder, length of stroke, age and fitness of operator. You can do the math from there.

When considering a sucker rod hand pump for long-term and heavy use, use metal rigid pipe, not PVC, for the drop pipe. PVC is too lightweight for a sucker rod pump system. When pumping the handle, the cylinder will lift first before the piston begins to move up within the cylinder, causing the drop pipe to compress between the cylinder and wellhead. This causes the PVC pipe to flex and spiral up within the well casing creating friction between the sucker rod and the inside walls of the drop pipe which reduces the efficiency of the stroke. Eventually, a pipe in the middle of the drop pipe string will crack at a coupling, causing the pump to loose it's prime. Metal rigid pipe is much heavier and stronger, maintaining a straighter line between the wellhead and cylinder. Rigid pipe is more expensive, but consider the value of fresh water.

There is a hand pump for nearly every need. When selecting a hand pump for your home, farm or community, consider your average daily use, static water level, size of well casing, water yield, and whether the pump will be used only in emergencies or everyday use. You should also consider the effort required and how much time you will spend pumping for your water needs. The larger the pump cylinder the better!

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/hand-water-pumps-zbcz1405.aspx
 

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We don't need a pump as we installed piped gravity flow from a stream running though our BOL property.

A fellow I know that did not have the surface water supply we have bought & installed >

http://www.simplepump.com/OUR-PUMPS/Hand-Operated.html

He swears by it as if its a wonder of the world.
 

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How does one plan for an electric well pump failure (solar, wind or generator powered) for any reason during a grid-down situation with a disruption in the supply chain?

Prepare With A Non Electric Well Pump

Sizing your pump for your water needs depends on how much water is needed daily, the static water level of the well, how many people live on the property – small family, large family or community. It also depends on how large the growing areas are, annual rainfall, how many animals there are, what kind and if there is a dependable year-round water source on the property such as ponds, creeks or springs or just a well. Only the homeowner can truly determine how much water will be needed daily throughout the seasons.

Size your water system carefully!
 

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Getting the water you need from a traditional deep well hand pump is challenging and should be your main concern and shouldn’t be taken lightly. A lot of effort and time can be spent pumping for so little water and may not be practical except for drinking, cooking and light bathing. If you have water sources for other needs, you might be fine with a traditional hand pump, but it won’t hurt to find out. If you already have a hand pump, you should calculate your daily water needs and hand pump daily for a week to see if you can live with it. If you don’t have a hand pump, you might have a friend or family member who does and should practice with it.
 

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With the power grid down for any reason (EMP etc), fresh water shortages won’t be the only crisis. Disruptions in the supply chain will create food, fuel and other shortages causing civil unrest. No commodities necessary for the stability of our modern life will be delivered as before. Because of these threats and a host of others, countless people are preparing for what is most vital – food, water and shelter.

Many landowners with a private water well are storing all types of food and learning how to grow their own for survival. Some are prepping with modern technology equipment, investing in large generators and fuel storage tanks so they can still flip on the lights and run electric appliances and water pumps needed for the home, livestock and gardens. Others are investing in micro-grid systems known as alternative energy – solar and wind power to operate their solar pumps and homes. Ironically, the same threats can render both systems useless, leaving them without the fresh water supply as before – leaving the homestead equivalent to the 1800s.

Make sure you have a backup water supply system - A non-electric powered well pump that can meet your fresh water needs.
 
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Always remember water weighs 8lb to the gallon. When trying to pump from a deep well remember length of pipe and inside diameter to calculate the volume you are trying to lift. You may need a longer handle on your pump.
 

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Why not just use a peddling system to pump? Faster and easier then hand pumping. .
That would work great for surface water and shallow wells!
 

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A typical deep well hand pump

 
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Non Electric Alternative Water Devices

Ram pumps can be set up if there is enough flow of water from a creek or river. A windmill can be set up to supply water only if there is enough wind for operation. Other options are human-powered machines for pumping water, rain catchments, cisterns, hand pumps and well buckets. Think ahead, plan ahead and have as many water devices as reasonably possible. Your life, family, friends, gardens, and animals may depend on it.
 

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A good well and access to the water is much better than storing water in large capacities. If affordable, consider a second well without an electric pump and invest in a quality non-electric water supply system to meet your water needs.
 

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I'm in the process of building a home and I think I'm going to get a "simple pump" alongside my electric pump. I would like to minimize trips to fill / pressurize, should I consider a second pressure tank, or is one 80-120 gallon pressure tank enough? I would like to be able to be able to heat a 50 gal propane hot water heater, then turn the propane to "vacation", then all family members be able to shower (50gal?).
But- is this even remotely practical? How long would it take me to pump this water from 200' deep into 50psi with a long handle simple pump?
 

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I'm in the process of building a home and I think I'm going to get a "simple pump" alongside my electric pump. I would like to minimize trips to fill / pressurize, should I consider a second pressure tank, or is one 80-120 gallon pressure tank enough? I would like to be able to be able to heat a 50 gal propane hot water heater, then turn the propane to "vacation", then all family members be able to shower (50gal?).
But- is this even remotely practical? How long would it take me to pump this water from 200' deep into 50psi with a long handle simple pump?
Pumping to 50 psi from a 200’ static is equivalent to 315’ of lift. I think you might ware yourself out real quickly and break the pump. You might check with the MFG to see if it is practical with a small cylinder and designed for such an application with larger pressure tanks.

I believe the simple pump gets at most, 5 gallons with 60 strokes, but not sure if that's from a deep well. A 40 gallon tank pressurized to 50 psi will have about 30 gallons of water in the tank. That's 360 full strokes of the handle, and each stroke will require more effort.
 

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I've tried a simple pump at about 125 feet. It was easy to pump and looks like a well made product. After reading the first post, are you saying the pvc outer pipe is not strong enough for this application?
 

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I've tried a simple pump at about 125 feet. It was easy to pump and looks like a well made product. After reading the first post, are you saying the pvc outer pipe is not strong enough for this application?
Any sucker rod pump using PVC is not adequate for long-term and heavy use, day after day (primary use), for reasons said above. It doesn't matter if the pump head and cylinder is well made or not.
 
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