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I posted this in a previous thread but nobody answered me! :mad:

Ok, with all the talk of BO, exactly how do you plan to get there? For example, rush hour on a Tuesday afternoon slows everything to a crawl...or a complete stop. So how the heck to get out of Dodge when the SHTF? For everyone trying to get OUT of the city, there will be one trying to get IN because that is where their home and family is, so traffic both ways will stop. This means anyone with a truck, atv, bike or 4X4 will be trying to rip it up the median or side of the road... I mean we are talking total and complete mayhem. (I am thinking getting out of a major city, not a small town where this may not apply) In addition, if we are hit by an EMP, vehicles are down anyway!! So we head to the hills... THERE ARE PEOPLE already living there!! Anyone read "One Second After"?

So can someone give me some ideas of how you plan to get to that BO location? Do you plan on it taking days, weeks to get there? Please explain! Thank you!
 

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We have a BOL, but we plan on bugging IN, at least at first, for the exact reasons that you mention: to let things calm down, then assess the situation and decide what to do. (I think that this is a common strategy.)
As for being caught in the chaos, maybe try to have a pre-arranged plan for the whole family, so that everyone isn't heading off in a different direction!
It would be hard enough to bug out with everyone cooperating, can you imagine what it would be like when most people have not even envisioned such a situation, much less prepared for it? :eek::)
 

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I have a BOL, it's in the middle of the woods, with no civilization in immediate area. CLose enough that I can go to a town if needed, but I can also get the **** out of dodge if I need to. I plan on walking, so my BOB is centered around that.
 

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For our family, a lot depends upon the specific scenario, and the possibilities are too endless too fully discuss. However, to address you questions in a general manner:

We live on the edge of the city, and there are unmarked back roads we can travel to get onto the interstate. If you've ever been to NV, you know that there are hundreds of miles of highways surrounded by nothing but desert. Where there are towns, there are generally backroads and bypasses to circumnavigate those towns. Where no such option exists, the desert is usually flat and can be offroaded.

For BOL location, you want to pick someplace that you can get to, is not along the major lines of refugee drift, but is far enough away so that you don't get a bunch of visitors. Add defensible location, access to water, and a bunch of other criteria, and it limits the locations suitable significantly.

Adding to the difficulty is the geographic climate where you live. In the desert, people won't be able to survive more than 3-4 days on foot. So a BOL 100 miles in the desert is essentially the same as being on the dark side of the moon. People just won't be able to get there generally, and there will be very few who try, much less do.
 

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First, you need a plan and ultimate location.
You are right in saying traffic will come to a stop. This happened in hurricanr Rita when it was supposed to hit Houston. EVERYBODY evacuated and went nowhere, plus the gas stations on the way out ran out of gas and people stalled on the sides of the roads.
If you can, bug out early. Otherwise, do like earlier suggested and possibly watch the news for awhile and bug out a day or two later to avoid the panic-stricken crowd. Remember, in some situations,..if everyone left, there's nobody there but you, this can be good...in certain situations. This is exactly what happened in some areas during Rita.
 

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OK, a couple of deep breaths. Calm. Visualize white light...

First, you don't want to just run for the hills, you want to have a pre-set up BOL with supplies and known shelter that you are heading towards, be it a cabin in the woods (that you own; public cabins belong to whoever can hold them), a relative's house or farm, or a secret underground base, if you've got the money. To get there, you want to have studied routes and alternative routes so you know what to do if roads get blocked. You need to have reliable transport that can make it, and alternative transport - bicycles, motorbikes, a good pair of hiking boots - in case it can't. But most of all, you need to be prepared to be the first one out of the gate. Few disasters come without warning; governments Federal, state, and local were yelling for people to get out of New Orleans DAYS before Katrina came close. Smart people were several states away and settled in by the time the panicky mob started clogging the highways and found they couldn't get out. Keep your BOB by the door or in your vehicle, keep it gassed up, and be prepared to start running when the talking heads on TV start getting panicky. You'll be MILES ahead before the pack even starting wondering what to do.

And as for an EMP wiping out vehicle traffic, don't confuse fiction with reality. Just what effect an EMP will have on cars is unclear, and open to a wide range of variables including which way the car was pointing relative to the blast, distance, if it was on or off, and even if just taking one of the leads off the battery, then putting it back on and forcing the car's computers to reboot (assuming it has computers) will restore them...
 

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If the truck won't run, I walk, with a small pack, pulling a game cart. Minor/local events, to a casino/hotel in the area, Short term but need to leave the city, a day or two in three different directions and get a motel if possible, else camp out in the mountains. Major event, 250 miles to the BOL in 2 to 3 months with the game cart.
 

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So can someone give me some ideas of how you plan to get to that BO location? Do you plan on it taking days, weeks to get there? Please explain! Thank you!
I like answering specific questions especially concerning my BOL / remote mtn retreat.
I actually live on it from June to about Nov. give or take a few days.

IF a SHTF would occur from Nov. to June it would probably be more difficult but I also have plans for that. I do have 2 uncles who have good farms about a half hour or so drive from the small city I am in now. Where I could go to If necessary.
It would have to truly be a really bad SHTF for me to leave my city place though.

I have driven and know well 7 different routes from my small stinkin city to my BOL which is in south central Wyoming.
Instead of going on too much in this thread here is a pic thread in the link at the bottom of this post, that shows and tells how I would get there. I would also have a mtn bike in the truck, just in case.

In good times it takes about 4 hours to get there but I know camp sites on the way also if it takes a lot longer.
And there is really not much traffic and no big cities nearby or on the routes I would take.
IF I had no vehicle for whatever reason then I could walk the 200 miles although I doubt that would happen and I said I have a good mtn bike, or possibly use a horse one of my cousins have and could do what I had to do....

The long pic thread showing how I get to my BOL - retreat / 2nd home and what I do once there. Others also have posted pics of their retreats etc. in later pages >
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=96951
 

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I posted this in a previous thread but nobody answered me! :mad:

Ok, with all the talk of BO, exactly how do you plan to get there? For example, rush hour on a Tuesday afternoon slows everything to a crawl...or a complete stop. So how the heck to get out of Dodge when the SHTF? For everyone trying to get OUT of the city, there will be one trying to get IN because that is where their home and family is, so traffic both ways will stop. This means anyone with a truck, atv, bike or 4X4 will be trying to rip it up the median or side of the road... I mean we are talking total and complete mayhem. (I am thinking getting out of a major city, not a small town where this may not apply) In addition, if we are hit by an EMP, vehicles are down anyway!! So we head to the hills... THERE ARE PEOPLE already living there!! Anyone read "One Second After"?

So can someone give me some ideas of how you plan to get to that BO location? Do you plan on it taking days, weeks to get there? Please explain! Thank you!

Bugging out is part of the Rambo fantasy that is perpetuated on this board. People will hate me for saying it because it's the truth. Some people spend thousands of dollars on equipment to get them through a "one way trip" to their BOL.

For some reason people need a specialized, end of the world, Mad Max bug out vehicle, and not the one they drive to and from their BOL currently.


It's all part of the Us (survivalists) vs Them (sheep) fantasy of rolling out of dodge, guns blazin' on the way to their mountain fort.
 

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Bugging out is part of the Rambo fantasy that is perpetuated on this board. People will hate me for saying it because it's the truth. Some people spend thousands of dollars on equipment to get them through a "one way trip" to their BOL.

For some reason people need a specialized, end of the world, Mad Max bug out vehicle, and not the one they drive to and from their BOL currently.


It's all part of the Us (survivalists) vs Them (sheep) fantasy of rolling out of dodge, guns blazin' on the way to their mountain fort.
I don't get it either....bugging out to where, and for how long? Most people go camping and can't wait to get home after a few days. So, you take a pack, or even a car or truck load, how long would you last there? To set up a new civilization/homestead will take truckloads of stuff. Either you bring it, or have it preplaced. Then too, that means you leave all of your stuff at home to be looted. Bug-in, I'd say for most folks. But having said that, I have a 16 foot trailer with a bunk, kitchen, tools and 6 months of food. I use it almost all year for travelling and mining. With my pickup, I have a rolling homestead. The only reason I'd go to the mountains is because that's where the gold is.
 

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I posted this in a previous thread but nobody answered me! :mad:

Ok, with all the talk of BO, exactly how do you plan to get there? For example, rush hour on a Tuesday afternoon slows everything to a crawl...or a complete stop. So how the heck to get out of Dodge when the SHTF? For everyone trying to get OUT of the city, there will be one trying to get IN because that is where their home and family is, so traffic both ways will stop. This means anyone with a truck, atv, bike or 4X4 will be trying to rip it up the median or side of the road... I mean we are talking total and complete mayhem. (I am thinking getting out of a major city, not a small town where this may not apply) In addition, if we are hit by an EMP, vehicles are down anyway!! So we head to the hills... THERE ARE PEOPLE already living there!! Anyone read "One Second After"?

So can someone give me some ideas of how you plan to get to that BO location? Do you plan on it taking days, weeks to get there? Please explain! Thank you!
You're hosed if you live in a big city and everyone treis to leave at once you aren't gettin out. If you thought of it so did 100,000 other people. I would say first of all don't panic, don't react. People always do that and then they're stuck.
I would try to get home first and wait it out. If it is a nuclear or bio strike then I'm hosed.
 

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I don't know about bugging out---here, land is owned by someone and they are probably going to shoot first and ask questions later if the situation is really bad. If you can't drive, you are hauling just a couple of weeks worth of food---then what, as stores might be stripped and strangers are not going to want to feed you. For the majority of us---bugging out will be a horrible idea.
 

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In general terms: My extreme bug out plan has caches, one located within 1 mile of my home, others out to 50 miles. I preplanned to head in one direction away from the major population. I do not live in town but in a little suburb north of town. Where I live has a lot to do with the bug out plan. If I am home at the time of bug-out there is little problem. All I need to do is get to the first cache, with or without my bug out bag. The first cache has everything the bug out bag has. I carry a bug out bag in my car, just in case I cannot get home. All I need to do then is get to the second cache, and then to the others toward the BOL. I travel light, and alone. I will find the group.
 

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I like answering specific questions especially concerning my BOL / remote mtn retreat.
I actually live on it from June to about Nov. give or take a few days.

IF a SHTF would occur from Nov. to June it would probably be more difficult but I also have plans for that. I do have 2 uncles who have good farms about a half hour or so drive from the small city I am in now. Where I could go to If necessary.
It would have to truly be a really bad SHTF for me to leave my city place though.

I have driven and know well 7 different routes from my small stinkin city to my BOL which is in south central Wyoming.
Instead of going on too much in this thread here is a pic thread in the link at the bottom of this post, that shows and tells how I would get there. I would also have a mtn bike in the truck, just in case.

In good times it takes about 4 hours to get there but I know camp sites on the way also if it takes a lot longer.
And there is really not much traffic and no big cities nearby or on the routes I would take.
IF I had no vehicle for whatever reason then I could walk the 200 miles although I doubt that would happen and I said I have a good mtn bike, or possibly use a horse one of my cousins have and could do what I had to do....

The long pic thread showing how I get to my BOL - retreat and what I do once there. Others also have posted pics of their retreats etc. in later pages >
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=96951
You also have many very well trained and very well armed friends up here:D:
 

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I posted this in a previous thread but nobody answered me! :mad:
Maybe it's because you posted in a thread about BUGGING IN......

So we head to the hills... THERE ARE PEOPLE already living there!! Anyone read "One Second After"?
We see this over and over here. I live out rural. Don't come here.....I'm only gonna say it once!:mad::D:
There are people here that DO have a BOL. They've carefully planned ahead, and prepared for any number of events...and how they'd get to it. But most people are where they are. Their home, IS their BOL. People that think they'll come out to the "hills" are gonna mostly die as nomads.

You won't live off the land and hunt, because most that think they'll flee the city have never done it. Most all the land where I'm at, is privately owned. Trespassers won't receive a warm welcome.

If an EMP strikes, or there's gridlock....and you have to hoof it, you won't be able to carry enough gear to sustain yourself for long. There are however people that even then have planned ahead....like Jerry D Young and Mntnman Mike, and a few others here. Jerry has a plan for everything. He does! lol lol People with no clue how to hunt, build shelter, make fire and keep warm....good luck to you all. If you know all these things? Great! But that defines a great many folks in the city.
 

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You need to have a place to go to, a way to get there and everything you need when you get there.
To accomplish this you will have to completely abandon the current "Giant American Consumer Pig Out"!!
Take all of your Babylon technology to the rifle range, put it on the 500 yard line and use it for target practice.
Begin right now to assume a very much enhanced awareness. Look both ways anywhere you change direction. Learn and prepare to move/walk quietly. Make a habit of carrying weapons all the time everywhere. Guns, knives, nunchakus, staffs, anything!!!
Change your diet immediately. Drink massive ammounts of water!!
Buy only clothing that blends well with the outback. Green, brown, gray, sage.
Walk everywhere. Run when you can. Wear a pack everywhere.
Breath hard, sweat, drink more water.
Move at night. Avoid bright lights. Learn the shadows.
Eat plants. Buy books about plants. Find plants. Identify plants. Plant plants. Care for plants. Trust plants.
Learn the small animals language. They know everything.
Keep training and don't give up. We as "Preppers" are at the cutting edge of society right now. Many here have been in the Military and know all too well the dillemna of training and not getting a mission. We as "Preppers" WILL get a mission and very probably SOON!!!

Welcome to Wyoming.:D:
 

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So can someone give me some ideas of how you plan to get to that BO location? Do you plan on it taking days, weeks to get there? Please explain! Thank you!
YES, that is what I intend to do! As a slightly handicapped person I will NOT be walking out with a pack on my back: I drive just fine so I will be driving out a little at a time, as I see no alternative unless I bug in.

MOSTLY I intend to bug in!

My house is too high to flood and too far from a city center to be affected by riots. Houses are too far apart where I live to burn down the neighborhood. And, we are in a very quiet neighborhood. So, unless my area of the Midwest ends up facing an army, we will simply stay.

Staying in a relatively safe location sounds better than inching down I-35 any day!

If I DO leave, I would be a refuge, plain and simple. It would have to be an overwhelming problem to get me to leave, and I would simply be moving away from the danger.
 
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