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The European Union (EU) has been called an emerging superpower by academics.Many scholars and academics like T.R. Reid, Andrew Reding,Andrew Moravcsik, Mark Leonard,Jeremy Rifkin, John McCormick,and some politicians like Romano Prodi and Tony Blair either believe that the EU is, or will become, a superpower in the 21st century.

Mark Leonard cites several factors: the EU's large population, large economy (the EU has the largest economy in the world; the economy of the EU is slightly larger than that of the U.S., as of 2008), low inflation rates, the unpopularity and perceived failure of US foreign policy in recent years, and certain EU members states' high quality of life (when measured in terms such as hours worked per week, health care, social services).

a study of 57,000 people across 52 countries by the European Council on Foreign Relations indicates that the EU is the most "popular" superpower in that people across the world like to see the European Union become more influential. The study found that the EU was "unique among the four big powers (China, the EU, Russia and the United States) in that no one wants to balance its rise." It concluded that 35 percent of people in the world want the 27-member bloc to grow in power.

(please excuse any mistakes in the information) just for the record , iam not stating that the eu has supower statues or capabilities, but could we be looking at the building blocks of a superpower able to rival all others?

thoughts and reflections on this please

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the eu when started a few years back, was expected to be big, but now lots of countrys are in dept and are being bailed out by other countrys, who are skint, so this cant continue, so this eu will not last for long, but will end up with lots of skint countries for nothing
 

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May I ask what the question was?

Is the European Union as superpower? No. The world has only one “superpower” after the end of the cold war; The United States. What is the future of the European Union? I have no idea. It could continue to grow for many years or collapse or go into recession because of problems with the Euro and the economy of member states. Remember that many members of EU also are members of NATO that have been expanding since the end of the cold war. So the EU is not a unified source of power, in other words not the United States of Europe.

How do you see this as relevant to preparedness?

EDIT: If you want to learn more about international organizations I suggest that you check out the book “Rules for the World: International Organizations in Global Politics” by Michael Barnett. Another interesting book is “Understanding International Conflict” by Joseph Nye.

There a number of interesting trends in the world like globalization, the increasing number of international organizations, the increased role of non-state actors like criminal groups, terrorist organizations, large corporations, private security companies and private military companies, NGO:s, think tanks, and other organizations like WikiLeaks. I think that it’s almost impossible to draw any conclusions from separate trends, the systems must be viewed as whole and it’s very hard to see all the pieces. The estimates of experts or scholars are nothing more than an educated guess. They have no idea either. You may just as well ask a cab driver what he thinks. This was not meant as a joke: Most cab drivers may spend more time with people from all parts of society and have quite a good feeling for the general mod in a society.
 

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maybee but perhaps these are just bad times, i mean take a look at the american economy there going down in flames, IMO i think if the world manages to survive for maybe 10-15 years longer the eu would have become much more stable, but this is with the asumption of a few radicle changes occurig within that time frame, some of which are becoming obvious to us now. like the degenerating economies of other superpowers.
 

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May I ask what the question was?

Is the European Union as superpower? No. The world has only one “superpower” after the end of the cold war; The United States. What is the future of the European Union? I have no idea. It could continue to grow for many years or collapse or go into recession because of problems with the Euro and the economy of member states. Remember that many members of EU also are members of NATO that have been expanding since the end of the cold war. So the EU is not a unified source of power, in other words not the United States of Europe.

How do you see this as relevant to preparedness?
big ass economical repurcusions in all countries involved when it hits the wall it really cant continue, its like trying to live with every bone broken in your body, chances are your gunna die, all countries broke check, countries not guna keep bailing others out check, there was a big pot off money for countries in the ****, its nearly all gone, and when spain , portugal etc finaly admit they need help, it will be finished, england has no more money to put in, were skint, germany same thing they can see now it was a mistake, problem all along was teaming rich countries with poor 1s it was obvs that the poor 1s would end up sucking from the rich, how is this fair? its not, and cant continue
 

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maybee but perhaps these are just bad times, i mean take a look at the american economy there going down in flames, IMO i think if the world manages to survive for maybe 10-15 years longer the eu would have become much more stable, but this is with the asumption of a few radicle changes occurig within that time frame, some of which are becoming obvious to us now. like the degenerating economies of other superpowers.
radicle changes and sheeple dont mix, there wont be any big changes the govt who issue them will be voted out, the sheeple dont like change, they like the wool over there eyes, lol wool, sheeple haha
 

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Ok thanks, not my intention to come down to hard on you; I just view these kinds of questions as extremely hard to answer. Asking the right question is important if you want the right answer.

The economic crisis can be viewed from many perspectives: It may simply be a problem with how the economic system is working. It may continue to work for a long time. Or collapse tomorrow. Another possibility is that oil, energy and other resources may have started to provide a natural limitation for growth. (Check out the documentary Home or the National Geographic documentary Collapse). No matter the case we will most likely only be able to see the answer from retrospective.

So what steps do you take in order to prepare for the different possible outcomes that you see?

 

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The EU is a politicians dream as it is a way in which they can imagine extending their own personal power over wider area. Yet the basic units of which it is made are still firmly nationalistic at the grass roots. An example of this is to look at the former Soviet Union and how readily it split into different counties even after many years of soviet control, in some cases centuries. Yet places like the Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia all rushed to claim statehood.

As an economic unit, the EU makes some sort of sense, as does the common currency. But they have, as is so often the case with politicians, failed to abide by their own rules, especially with regard to the Euro and not imposed the penalties set out if any member does not meet the financial requirements. That would be seen as a failure and all those who supported the system risk taint by association, thus countries like Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland were allowed to set ridiculous budgets that led to their near or actual collapse.

Super powers do exist, they also wax and wane, some slowly like the Ottoman empire, some remarkably quickly like the Alexandrian empire. The only things holding the EU together is greed, self interest and political aspirations, that is their tripod. If one leg fails then it will collapse. For most ordinary people it would have no significance or real interest. The only ones who might demonstrate are those who are on or hope to join the EU gravy train. I am probably more politically aware than my neighbours but I have no idea at all who my Member of the European Parliament who represents me is. I could look it up but I have no interest or reason to do so. It was a question in a local pub quiz and no one got it right
 

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I think that the E.U., or rather European culture in general, has been sliding toward irrelevancy for quite a while now. It's kind of a failed experiment in socialisim, and now the civil unrest is starting, because the people aren't getting what big brother promised. It's sad too, because Europe was once the hub of all free thought, all artistic expression, and the world's strongest military might. Some of the worlds most fearsome weapons were forged in Leige and Enfield Lock.
Now the people who's fathers built them aren't even allowed to look at one, let alone own one.
Places like Trollhatten and Bratislava once produced cars the world wanted, status symbols even in the U.S. The Europeans seemed content to let their legacy expire, to let others come in and take their birthright. They became content, fat, and sleepy while the U.S. fought their wars, and reaped their bounty. The history of Europe is just that, history. They are irrelevant now, like a toothless, declawed Siberian Tiger. Once great, majestic, and fearsome, now old and harmless. As an American with strong European roots, this saddens me deeply. It's too bad you all didn't stand up for yourselves while you had the chance.
 

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I am probably more politically aware than my neighbours but I have no idea at all who my Member of the European Parliament who represents me is. I could look it up but I have no interest or reason to do so. It was a question in a local pub quiz and no one got it right[/QUOTE]

i remember tony blair wanted the job
 

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I think the EU is going down faster than Pelosi on the first date. Right now they are watching the chaos created by their socialist policies, and most of their "superpowers" have needed massive bailouts and re-structuring.
If you asked me that question a few years ago, I would have said they were on their way to being one of the largest economies in the world, but.....well....we all say what happened instead.
 

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No, it is not, now if Germany, Austria, France and Britian decided to form there own club and stay with that core (perhaps including the low countries) then that could be a super power, but the outlying parts are too broken down....
 

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Strange how there is always a mention of and assumption of "Socialism", yet many of the governments are far from socialist. This country now has a conservative government, with the coerced support of the democrats, but most EU countries have had more right wing governments for many years.

From my own experience the last Labour government in this country was about as far from socialist as any I have know. It paid lip service to its past roots and sang "The Red Flag" but did not repeal a single one of the anti union laws from the Thatcher era. It did not extend the socialisation of national resources but continued the outsourcing of even the roles of central government to private firms. Not one of the old companies was nationalised, rail, coal, water, power, gas. There was NO socialist agenda, so please look more at the facts than at perceived opinion, especially the opinions voiced by the media or other politicians.

As to attempting to place the economic woes of the world on "Socialism"... please!!!!!!!!! The failure was of the capitalist light touch non regulatory governments allowing the rampant greed of corporations to push loans and lending and extend credit in a perfect storm of debt... and then transfer that debt to the governments so all now have to pay for the huge bonus culture payouts and inflated share prices that were optioned. The lack of any responsibility for both their actions and their policies is reflected in the attempts to blame the consumers for accepting the money thrust at them from all sides. If you have any doubt about the greed just look at the interest rates of the Federal reserve and compare them to those charged by the credit card companies.. just a bit of a profit margin there!

Hmmm my apologies for going off thread but I am just a little tired of Europe and European countries all being assumed to be some sort of socialist workers paradise and that being used as an excuse for the failures of others.
 

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The European Union (EU) has been called an emerging superpower by academics.
Academics are people who couldn't get a real job in the business world. Many EU member countries cannot even balance their own books, and spend like they never have to pay back their loans. How can they become a super power?
 

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In light of the economy world wide, I'd bank on China and maybe more so India to have much more influence into the next century than either the European Union countries, Russia, or the USA. Depends a great deal on the political structure of all the countries in question and how the evolution of the falling world economy shapes up. The next 10 years are going to be mighty interesting.
 

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hey distorted , yeh i agree i tihnk thats what it should have been, not the failed attempt at socialism as mentioned
But really, it is. Look at how it used to be a shining light. As a fledgling republic, we got many of our cultural traditions from Europe, and still cherish things that remind us of Europe in it's former days. For instance, we are suckers for "Old World recipies" "English Walnut" and lots of other things that used to be synonomous with the grandeur that WAS Europe.
Now we see a Europe that has stripped rights from her people. Governments that constantly monitor and videotape their citizens, with no regard to privacy. The virtual collapse of the private sector, and a nosediving GDP. Useless U.N. sanctions and resolutions levied against belligerent nations. No will to fight anyone for anything. Nothing exemplifies the dystopian reality of Europe quite like this, though: They can't even breed fast enough to keep themselves ALIVE! The population is in decline, and that just kind of sums up the whole "Dying" vibe that one gets from Europe. It is dying, both literally and figuratively.
 

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If they can recover economically, I can see the possibility of them becoming a superpower at some point. A lot of countries have recovered from disastrous economic crashes in the past. But it has never been as widespread as it is right now, so who knows.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them become a superpower. To help balance against China and Russia. We may never get back to where we were before, and we certainly don't need those two to be dominant world powers. Even if we do rise back up some day, it's be nice to not share the entire load.

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Oh knock that crap off. People are going to post what they want to post. What's trolling to one person isn't trolling to someone else. If you don't like what they post, scroll past it like the rest of us. If they always post things you don't want to read, use the ignore feature.
 
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