[bushido]

EOAAWKI for END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. I have lurked this sight for long before becoming a member just a short time ago and have gained tons of information and thank everyone on here. I am worrying about the following scenario and if anyone has any simular thoughts. First lets not include any catastrphic global event as a SHTF situation, mainly an US economic, social, government meltdown. I feel we would be assisted ( read invaded ) by any of a half dozen countries. Maybe not right away so preps of all kinds would certainly be needed. Now through all the caos us preppers are doing just fine and WAM in comes one or two foriegn governments to take over all or part of the US in less then a year after the collapse. I dought their ideologies will be anything like ours now. Probably socialist, communist or something simular. First off everybody turn in all their weapons and register, for our own good ofcourse. 99% of the remaining population, who now are half starved to death welcome the new government with open arms. So how are we supposed survive now? We don't have to worry about raiders and zombies in general but now the enemy is an organized government with control of the military. I can't see how to hide unless you are in a very remote location. Do we surrender and comform but live in disgust of die opposing any other form of government except a democatic one. Just food for thought guys and thank you all again for this wonderful site...Paul

 

[TexasHomesteader]

This is the "red dawn" scenario and not to likely IMO

At that point you decide if you are a patriot and get yer gun.

 

[NavigatinCollapse]

I don't know too many soldiers in uniform that will follow orders from another "master". If I were to guess I would 90% wouldn't.

 

[MIL-DOT]

EOTWAWKI vs. EOAAWKI ?? The End of America,as we know it, would constitute the end of the world,as we know it. America ( for all her faults) has set the global standard in more ways than could be listed. We're the standard for liberty the world over. We've given more in charitable donations than the rest of the world,combined. We dig the rest of the world out of their eathquake rubble, we find the cures to their diseases. We're the beacon of freedom that the rest of the world flocks to, and all of this, while generally given no credit for it.
The end of America ( which,sadly, appears inevitable) would be a cataclysmic loss that this planet will never recover from.
EOTWAWKI vs. EOAAWKI are essentially one and the same.


(edit: just to clarify, I don't think the end of America will usher in the end of global civilization, just that the world "as we know it" will be changed irrevocably, and for the worse.)

 

[merlinfire]

In a country with a volunteer army.......

 

[stephpd]

What sized army would be needed to control us is beyond me. I doubt even the Chinese have the resources to try and occupy us for any period of time, or even more then a small part of this country.

We have very little respect for our government anymore. I doubt we'd have more for some blue helmet army.

I agree that the end of America is the end of the world. If we shut down or even close our doors the rest of the world would go down too. The economies and investments are that integrated. Look how our home mortgage flop affected the world economy. And that's just a small portion of Wall Street.

 

[Mule Skinner]

There is an alternate America just to the north of us.

 

[alkele]

There is that possibility. It would most likely be an economic meltdown, such as another massive stock market crash or China dumping massive amounts of dollars and bonds onto the open market. Inflation spikes and so does unemployment. This could lead to large scale protests or even riots. Government can't send in the troops because so many of them are overseas. The National Guard is overwhelmed by the size of the crisis and so the government (read Obama) asks the UN for a large amount of "peacekeeping" troops. Given the size of the USA, a very large number would be needed. European countries would be worried about following the US into the abyss and would be wanting to keep most of the troops at home. This leaves Russia and China (both have large armies) to make up the bulk of the "peacekeeping" force. After the first few snipings of blue helmets, a mandatory roundup of guns is ordered for the safety of the UN troops, followed by a roundup of food supplies to central locations.

It is plausible. It could also be caused by terrorist attacks on several large refineries. Shut down diesel fuel production and the trucks stop, which stops the stores from be resupplied. Also prevents raw materials from getting to factories and the finished product from leaving the factories, so the factories shut down - putting people out of work. There are quite a few scenarios where EOAAWKI could start from and which wouldn't immediately affect the rest of the world. Probably 1 of the reasons that the Russians and Chinese are talking about using something other than the dollar for the world currency. That way when the USA goes under, it doesn't take the rest of the world with it.

It is just another option to be prepared for.

 

[stephpd]

There is an alternate America just to the north of us.

There's even more to the south of us, but none of them have been the beacon of liberty. When folks think of freedom it's here and no other place on these two continents. All are 'Americans' but we're the only ones referred to as 'Americans' by not only others but ourselves too.

 

[hillsidedigger]

The United States will endure for a few years after most other countries have collapsed.

 

[stephpd]

There is that possibility. It would most likely be an economic meltdown, such as another massive stock market crash or China dumping massive amounts of dollars and bonds onto the open market. Inflation spikes and so does unemployment. This could lead to large scale protests or even riots. Government can't send in the troops because so many of them are overseas. The National Guard is overwhelmed by the size of the crisis and so the government (read Obama) asks the UN for a large amount of "peacekeeping" troops. Given the size of the USA, a very large number would be needed. European countries would be worried about following the US into the abyss and would be wanting to keep most of the troops at home. This leaves Russia and China (both have large armies) to make up the bulk of the "peacekeeping" force. After the first few snipings of blue helmets, a mandatory roundup of guns is ordered for the safety of the UN troops, followed by a roundup of food supplies to central locations.

It is plausible. It could also be caused by terrorist attacks on several large refineries. Shut down diesel fuel production and the trucks stop, which stops the stores from be resupplied. Also prevents raw materials from getting to factories and the finished product from leaving the factories, so the factories shut down - putting people out of work. There are quite a few scenarios where EOAAWKI could start from and which wouldn't immediately affect the rest of the world. Probably 1 of the reasons that the Russians and Chinese are talking about using something other than the dollar for the world currency. That way when the USA goes under, it doesn't take the rest of the world with it.

It is just another option to be prepared for.

We only have about 1/2 million troops over seas. We have another 1 1/2 million here. The only military that comes close is China. We also have about 1 million federales at our disposal and probably another 2-4 million Leo's and rent a cops.

Whenever the UN goes in we are the majority. All other countries combined make up 1/4 or less. But you are right that we (the citizens) wouldn't stand idly by with a target rich environment of blue helmets. If it comes to that all bets are off.

If our government can't keep the peace no combination of other countries troops will have any effect, especially Chines or Russian troops. We won't stand for a foreign invasion, especially from those two communist countries.

 

[Raygunner]

I don't know too many soldiers in uniform that will follow orders from another "master". If I were to guess I would 90% wouldn't.

+1
Original post sounds like a movie scenario, not real life. US is NOT a third world country without highly developed resources. An total economic collapse would likely not be quick, and would take time. I'm well aware of the economic indicators so please don't lecture me. I'm not lecturing any of you, my friends.
We are an ingenious people with a will to live. The US Military is the strongest in the world. Strongest in the WORLD--by far, and with near instant nuclear capability. Not likely to be taken over on our own soil.
These 'get your guns' scenarios are interesting, but in my opinion, more likely the product of personal fantasy and perhaps willful desire.
Yes, we're getting prepared in our individual ways for some kind of disastrous circumstance.
Note; as a matter of history, see how Russia has kept up a strong military throughout the Cold War period AND their transition to more individual states. Point--even when their economy was in the tank, they maintained a ready-state. Economic downturns don't mean a country can't defend itself.
Thank you.

 

[gatekeeper2earth]

Foreign troops = invasion. What would YOU do? What do YOU believe in enough to put YOUR life on the line?

 

[Zombie Hunt Club]

This is the 3rd or 4th incarnation of America - not as we know it but as it has been known for the last 235-years.

The next version will be better - maybe not in the "look at our shiny cities and SUV's" kind of way but certainly leaner and more resilient.

 

[Einrich]

It's a possibility that another country could enter under the guise of "relief" and bring along their own troops for "security" or "support". If they weren't being led by American forces or commanders then that's a serious problem for me and I would get moving immediately. The point is if it's just aid they offer then "thank you" if a new government and way of life goes along with it, I'll scratch a living somewhere else and fight em every step of the way.

 

[bushido]

Let me add some thoughts to my OP. I was not talking about an invasion of any sort of the US but an economic and social meltdown that our goverment can not handle. Months after ( our government ) would succumb to one or more foreign governments plans for a new and better America but with their help and influences. Maybe no more USA, they might split it up in to 3 or 4 regions. Our government and military would be run by the new order which would be both our people and some foreign countries members. The military would be faithful to their commanders but it would be nothing as we know today. Look at most of our men in Washington right now, how bad do you think things would have to get before they cave in to outside pressure. I just worry about a serious nationwide SHTF situation that turns this country upside down but when the dust settles and the ones who prepared and made it are awakened to a totally unexceptable country in which the law, government , military, and sheeple are demanding you conform to the new order. I don't know it's been a long day and I still don't get off work till 4 am.

 

[Raygunner]

Bushido--I appreciate your survival instinct. For me to buy in to any possibilities that you describe, I have to see some legitimate scenarios under which our military and government would accede to another foreign power. Saying the SHTF isn't enough for me. I don't see that happening. If a country lends aid, that's one thing. If another country would be allowed to send in troops, the Pentagon would never allow another foreign power to have ultimate control of our troops.
Think about it; just uttering SHTF! SHTF! What does that mean? Specifically? Think it through. Just saying well, things would be 'upside down'. How?
Our economy, currency, shift of power, our military, are all strong and well disciplined. Yes, you can argue that the economy is rough, not enough or too much regulation, on and on.
The scenario you describe is science fiction.
If an invasion occurs, then we're at war.

 

[andersed]

You can't just "take over" the US military. The military is made up of people who would not take kindly to that. Just look at all the problems in WWII where US troops were under an English General on foreign soil shooting the Germans.

even putting an Army General in charge of Marines causes a lot of friction, I can't imagine an Army division taking orders from a country "helping" the United States.

 

[Resqu]

If it is another country then they would not have our Constitution so it sounds like my contract is null and void.

 

[rugster]

since the USA helps to feed much of the world an EOAAWKI would be a EOTWAWKI