I never understood that. When times are bad the last thing I ever want to do is be incapable of handling myself due to alcohol or drugs.

 

When your school shuts down your only social avenue…. Or your work fires you due to demand shortages or a vaccine… it’s no wonder the suicide rate is up. Drugs and alcohol go along with that.

they’ve built a society were people literally see happiness in death. Great job, elites

 

Meanwhile, in Oregon....

"Oregonians overwhelmingly passed Measure 110 that makes possession of small amounts of cocaine, heroin, LSD and methamphetamine, among other drugs, punishable by a civil citation — akin to a parking ticket — and a $100 fine. That fee can get waived if you get a health screening from a recovery hotline."

And here's the INSANE rationale for it.

"Mike Schmidt, district attorney for Oregon's most populated county, Multnomah, which includes Portland. ......publicly supported Measure 110, says he firmly believes the health model — not criminalization — is the best way to battle the disease substance use disorder.

"Criminalization keeps people in the shadows. It keeps people from seeking out help, from telling their doctors, from telling their family members that they have a problem," Schmidt says."


So....by letting people use drugs legally, and making it NOT a legal problem....they'll suddenly be wiling to get help?

Isn't that a wonderful idea?

 

It worked phenomenally well in Portugal. None of the legalization efforts in the US are even close to Portugal's though, and instead of wild success they're abysmal failures.

Just wanted to point out that decriminalization is effective if done PROPERLY, where neither criminalization and improper DEcriminalization work at all.

 

Somehow gun control will creep back up.

 

Drugs good -- guns bad.

Sad to see Americans in such despair that they're turning to drug-induced escapism. Reality, it seems, is way more frightening than brain damage or death. America is suffering from a collective spiritual illness.

 

Where did CDC get the data from ?

Fentanyl is cited. Why not compare with the drug alcohol ?

What happened after World War I with the prohibition of the dangerous alcohol ?

I am now in the mood for a cognac and a coffee - and coffee made some lists of dangerous drinks before.

 

I'm probably an ******* but no matter how hard I try, I just don't care how many drug addicts overdose themselves to death.

 

I'm probably an *** but no matter how hard I try, I just don't care how many drug addicts overdose themselves to death.

I had a family member off themselves. I didn't find out until awhile later on. Its hard to be sorrowful.

 

It matters not to me one way or the other.

 

I felt the same way Grizz, that was before I watch a TV show on Hulu Dopesick.

 

100,000 drug overdoses? You mean 100,000 homeless thieves and robbers, rapists etc? We can do better than that.

 

A tragic and complex issue for sure. I used to be in favor of decriminalization, but when the drugs are instantly and nearly irrevocably powerfully addictive it's almost like we need to take the reverse approach and make dealing a death sentence. The justification is that it's not drugs being dealt, it's literal addictive poison with a high death rate. Those that don't die have their lives ruined, and the cost to society is immense.

Spend some time actually learning about the issue, watch some videos from the open drug markets in Kensington, PA and elsewhere. It's horrific.

These street drugs are something like 100 times more powerful than natural highs, and instantly addictive for which the brain cannot operate without another high. The synthetic drugs are extremely cheap, like a few dollars, and folks addicted physically and emotionally need them to function or they get extremely ill.

The libertarian in me used to be in favor of "free choice," but with such things one eliminates his/her free choice after the first hit. Most people get permanently hooked and then die a premature death shortly thereafter, and the remainder of their lives is poverty, crime, prostitution, lost family members, and other sorrow. We should, as a society, no longer allow illegal drug trafficking and I'm becoming more in favor of extremely harsh - e.g. death sentence - for hard drug dealing like in parts of Asia. When you deal drugs you are dealing addictive street poison that is ruining people and killing people... These 100,000 now, annually, aren't dying without dealers.

 

A tragic and complex issue for sure. I used to be in favor of decriminalization, but when the drugs are instantly and nearly irrevocably powerfully addictive it's almost like we need to take the reverse approach and make dealing a death sentence. The justification is that it's not drugs being dealt, it's literal addictive poison with a high death rate. Those that don't die have their lives ruined, and the cost to society is immense.

Spend some time actually learning about the issue, watch some videos from the open drug markets in Kensington, PA and elsewhere. It's horrific.

These street drugs are something like 100 times more powerful than natural highs, and instantly addictive for which the brain cannot operate without another high. The synthetic drugs are extremely cheap, like a few dollars, and folks addicted physically and emotionally need them to function or they get extremely ill.

The libertarian in me used to be in favor of "free choice," but with such things one eliminates his/her free choice after the first hit. Most people get permanently hooked and then die a premature death shortly thereafter, and the remainder of their lives is poverty, crime, prostitution, lost family members, and other sorrow. We should, as a society, no longer allow illegal drug trafficking and I'm becoming more in favor of extremely harsh - e.g. death sentence - for hard drug dealing like in parts of Asia. When you deal drugs you are dealing addictive street poison that is ruining people and killing people... These 100,000 now, annually, aren't dying without dealers.

I agree with that and it's going to get worse. Just like everything else.

 

If they're ready to go....I'm ready for them to go too.

 

Well I guess they never won the war on drugs.

 

Yes, they did actually. Massive expansion of government combined with massive increases in wasteful spending leading to more government control and wasteful spending with very few actual, measurable achievements.

 

Masks prevent the spread of addiction.
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Masks prevent the spread of addiction.
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Heroin vaccines also stop the spread of heroin addiction.

 

My beef is with how they handle it here . They are resuscitating druggies 3 to 5 times a day ,wasting EMS services that could be better used on contributing members of society. If your an addict and you OD ,tough luck,die.

 

I agree. I think EMS and hospitals should be able to refuse care even if death results. The first two ODs are on us if you can't pay your bills (we're a first world country, we can handle it). After that, legal DNR. Same for welfare. A year of free income in your lifetime for everyone. After that, better find Jesus or a relative who cares because it's not the states job to support people for life.

 

I've seen more than my fair share of what drugs do to people. With a couple of them, absolutely brilliant minds destroyed. I'm talking people who were studying to become engineers, doctors, scientists. I've watched others waste away do to the drugs they turned to to combat depression. I've seen the aftermath of overdoses. One a pretty young woman, 21, dead, in the back seat of her car in the dead of winter.

Legalizing isn't the answer. In many cases I think the whole "medical marijuana" angle is pure bull****. Yes, I am aware of the benefits to those with glaucoma or cancer patients. But I will bet there are MANY who claim to "need" medical marijuana simply so they can obtain a "get out of jail free" card so they can toke up all day. I assure you we have a problem with dope smokers in our warehouses. I smell it on them and can smell it in the parking lot when they are on their breaks. The hassle you have to got through though if you suspect a drug user makes you want to scream.

I've no use for it and since this whole GWOD started, nothing has been achieved except the unstated goal of bigger government. This problem could be stopped if we wanted to. We simply choose not to. That's all.

 

I use to have to pick up the needles all around the hospital I worked at sometimes. All part of the free needles and drugs to protect the druggies. We'd find bodies once in a while. Too dead to bring back to their hellish life. The really only way to deal with them is institutionalization of them . Thats an other expensive option .

 

Let me add some more:

• on any given day, just walking through my own neighborhood, I can find needles on the sidewalk. I live in an upper middle class neighborhood.
• around the corner on the next street the needle problem is even worse
• when I worked in our freight forwarding BU, I spend some time in our office in South Carolina. Now, there were a number of obese people working in that building at the time. The problem was the number of needles in the needle dispenser in just the men's room alone far outweighed the likelihood of the majority of the staff being diabetics. I even made the comment that there must be a lot of diabetics in that facility. There aren't.

Today is Wednesday. When I was walking down to get the mail on Monday I spotted a needle on the sidewalk. WTH?

 

It must be some good **** lol. But seriously, it's nothing the Chinese didn't do, aided by illegal British imports of Opium back in the day. Perhaps the Chinese are behind it, a belated payback.

 

leave the boarder open we can expect a whole lot more dead.and they know it !

 

That's all predicated on the fact that rehab works. It does not, something like 5% stay healthy long term. Those are terrible odds. As a taxpayer I am not willing to pay $20K a pop x 20 people just to get one person clean (for a while).

My husband was an alcoholic and died legally drunk. In addition to the alcohol screen they screened him for lots of narcotics all of which came back negative. He made it abundantly clear some years back not to make him choose between me and alcohol because he would choose alcohol. And he was not at all hesitant on that.

If I had thrown him out he would have ended up in a nursing home paying the staff to smuggle him alcohol; or under a bridge with other addicts begging for money.

 

It's worse than that, Nar-Can is hiding a lot more would-be deaths. Modern drugs are cheap enough that you can get a fix for very little cash. Then bum it or steal it for your next one. On radio yesterday, Feds already got enough Fentanyl this year to OD every single American. Nar-Can is just a bandaid, and I do not support its use. Why revive them, just to see it happen again? Sometimes you need to let Darwinian rules apply. Sorry, not sorry.

Put men to work. A working man will smoke a little weed or have a few beers in the evening, but he has no time for drugs. Stop enabling folks by sending them money every month. I see it in my family, the ones that work are fine, lazy ones all ended up on hardcore drugs.

 

Incentivized: Immigrants,Drug War,''Woke politics'',Globalism etc. Oh, and the destruction of the Nuclear Family Structure in American Culture equals alot of the above forementioned.

 

100 thousand addicts, theifs, criminals and nut cases tax payers won't have to pay to medically treat, feed, cloth or house. They are nothing less than a blite on socitity.

 

100 thousand addicts, theifs, criminals and nut cases...........

Not all of them fall into those categories.

 

Let all the druggies do what they want. With only one rule. If you over dose you won`t be resuscitated. That should thin out the problem one way or the other.

 

And I'm sure that a mostly unguarded Southern border isn't contributing at all to this problem. Its not as if the dope manufacturers don't transport Fentanyl across a largely unsecured border and into the United States. #FJB.

So how about this instead: Dope mules and dealers won't be resuscitated after being shot.

 

The cartels are bringing in tons of fentanyl because the price per dose is way higher in the US then in Mexico.

 

I used to work in mental health, if youll hear my humble opinion it's that "mental coping skills" aren't worth the time it takes to learn most of them.

What people need are less oppressive burdens, people who listen and give good counsel and to be taken seriously above all else.

 

I used to work in mental health, if youll hear my humble opinion it's that "mental coping skills" aren't worth the time it takes to learn most of them.

What people need are less oppressive burdens, people who listen and give good counsel and to be taken seriously above all else.

This point is real good, Ghost.

On the back of one of my ID cards for preparedness work, I photocopied a page from SAMHSA's field manual for mental health workers working emergencies and disasters.

The page's pertinent line is:

"Disaster mental health assistance is often more practical than psychological in nature"

Of the smaller Federal agencies working the disaster portfolio, I consider SAMHSA to be the best organized with best subject mattr pubs and quality work for "out in the field".

Our society has changed so much. Thus, much work to do to get back on the right path - without GPS or navigation instruments.

 

If we spent the same amount on rehab as we have on "the war on drugs" we would be a lot better off. Although when you have high school kids dying from fentanyl something needs to be done. The drug manufactures are just as complicit as the street dealer as far as i'm concerned.

 

has nothing to do with drug manufactures or drug dealers its all about our own goverment the biggest and richest drug dealers of them all. get your facts straight eh

 

Please explain what the facts are.