All through 2016 I said whoever wins the election will be that last elected president of the US. I was expecting the other one to win, but it applies to both. We are a broken people living in a broken world. Collapse and war are inevitable.

 

I don't believe that in America a few nutcases on both sides represent a broken world. The majority
Of our citizens are sane and will abide by the rule of law. Elections decide the direction of our country. Recently the left got Obama and then the right got Trump, both bad choices. Hopefully we get a president that gets things done. Requardless of who gets elected, our law enforcement agencies and judicial system will ensure whomever is elected works within the framework of the Constitution. That is what a President swears to do.

The few who decide to violently protest an election will be dealt with by the governing systems in place.

Those who step outside the of law to violently dictate their political leaning will feel the heat.

 

The only demographic growing faster than immigrants is geezers, and before there could be a civil war, the geezers who voted for Trump, which is most of them, would have to be willing to give up their Socialist Security and Medicare, which would have to come from the Federal Govt. which would be controlled by Democrats (or libtards as they are known by those august geniuses who support the premise), since the premise of this argument is that if Dems took over the govt. they will implement policies that are so heinous that no honorable patriotic conservative (or retards as they would be known if they actually believe that there will be a revolution) could suffer their existence.
The last Republican MAGA rally I attended was made up primarily of government workers (who depend on the politicos for their lifestyle) and geezers (who also depend on the politicos for their lifestyle). The gist of the message promulgated by the rally was that although they (especially the geezers) needed cheap labor to mow their grass, clean their houses, harvest their food, etc., they didn't believe that the immigrants who provided that much-sought-after labor should be allowed to enter or maintain residence in the US, and most definitely should not be allowed to vote, although those who DID make it into the US should MOST DEFINITELY have to pay taxes and most importantly pay into Socialist Security.
In short, their arguments were so emotionally and logically vapid that they believed that only a president who employees hundreds of undesirable immigrants could possibly solve the problem of how to prevent employers from employing undesirable immigrants. In short, the entity that destroys the Republican party will not be the Democrat party, it will be the Republican Party, when all those geezers are faced with the choice of either standing up for their principles or standing up for their government checks.

 

In short, the entity that destroys the Republican party will not be the Democrat party, it will be the Republican Party, when all those geezers are faced with the choice of either standing up for their principles or standing up for their government checks.

In the race of self-destruction, the Democrat party is winning against the Republicans. They are unrecognizable from 12 years ago, when this country elected Obama. And not in a way that relates to normal Americans. The party's values are more and more out of touch with middle America.

It seems that the Democrat party is speeding us toward oblivion and the Republican party is trying to hold the line with their old, swampy establishment ways.

The Republican party establishment is definitely part of the bigger problem. But everything is not black and white and there is nuance.

You're kinda lumping all Republican voters into one category, which is silly. Just as not all Democrats are insane radicals (as I said in my OP, it's the crazy 10% that seem to control the helm), there is more than one different type of Republican voter. (And I don't know where you live, but I've never personally met anyone who has illegal immigrants mowing their lawn.)

I am a Republican voter, but only because we have a binary choice and I can easily imagine how much worse off we'd be if Hillary had won. Which is why I don't waste my vote on a 3rd party.

But I and MANY others are not happy with the Republican party and that is why Trump won. It was a middle finger to not only Democrats, but to Republicans.

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I agree we are broken. Unfortunately it is both financially and morally. The propaganda of the lune stream media as the mouth piece of the NWO/SWAMP is overwhelming the sheeple. Free everything for everybody that doesn't work doesn't last forever.

Printing money with no backing sooner that later results in collapse.

We have a CONgress, that only seems to care about themselves. It was over the day they could vote themselves a raise.

 

I dunno...

Trump winning in 2020 is pretty likely. Having a really bad recession is also pretty likely.

Along the way Big Picture Goals happen - Trump stacks the SCOTUS, 9th Circuit gets repopulated with conservatives. This bodes really well for conservative causes.

for decades......

I'm more inclined to think if Trump somehow engineers a soft recession... Republicans win again in 2025... why? Cause everyone and their sister is expecting a recession...

Do the Republicans pay for a bad recession?... dunno... Dems would have to make the case for how they'd fix what they say is broke... Reps would say this is how capitalism works... then point at the Dems and say "socialism still doesn't work"

I'm inclined to believe the country will not embrace socialism..... at least peacefully.

 

I can agree Trump could be the last Republican President. The Republicans have failed time and time again and shown what a bunch of ******* they are. There are a few still trying to do the right thing but most are either spineless or RINO's.

 

I agree with Sarco almost 100%. There is the hope that Trump will finally get the tracks cleared and he sends a few million democrat voters back south of the boarder.

 

I've said this several times. I think Trump was intentionally put in as a ringer to assure that Hillary won.

Trump was a lifelong Democrat until a few years before running for president. He repeatedly referred to himself as a lifelong Democrat on his regular Fox News appearances until he decided to run.

Trump said that he met with his friend Bill Clinton before making the decision to run.

Trump's own son said his dad didn't expect to win.

The Deep State had the entire plan laid out, but it went off the tracks and Trump won.

That being said, when he did win he stepped up to the plate like a good CEO and has been doing his best to fix just about everything that the Dems and Repubs screwed up over the years.

Any politician with even a small amount of gray matter should realize that the American people are fed up with what the politicians have done to this country. Common sense is long gone and has been replaced with political correctness and identity politics, neither of which make any sense.

If the Dems take over for the long term, it's only a matter of time before the entire country goes the way of Detroit. That's when the people will revolt. The problem is that modern history has shown us that whenever this happens, the leader who steps up to the plate is likely to be an Adolph Hitler, Mao, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, etc. Revolutions only rarely produce good leaders.

 

I believe there is a chance that the Repubs could still carry the White House for at least a term (or possibly two) after Trump.

To do this the Dems need to stay their course in self destruction and alienating their former voting core (blue collar workers) by ignoring them for the LBGTs, muslims, illegals, etc . While the Repubs need to keep the economy growing to provide jobs to those blue collar and minority workers.

Continuing to pushing their former core into the Trump camp could possibly swing the historically blue states that blipped red for Trump to fall more firmly into red status. Maybe even enough of them to offset losing TX to the illegals.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if the left actually starts the shooting once Trump 2.0 happens. As it seems after Hillary's loss, for whatever reasons the left has ditched their long game (that brought them to within a hairs breath of total dominance in America) and is wanting things to happen right now.

 

The people who really decide elections are the independents, and they like to switch the Presidential party after 8 years of one or the other.

I appreciate the topic, but there are NO independent voters these days. Either you have conservative values based on the Constitution or you're an ignorant socialist. I don't even parse the difference in voters anymore. We have gone to the extreme of partisanship and polarization; however, I don't even think there is a very vocal extreme right anymore and those who actually support the Constitution and rule of law are considered extreme. There is no democratic party anymore as the platforms have shifted to socialist insanity. That insanity will end up in a ultra-left, socialist president who will drive the country into the dirt...which will open the door to another "Trump" presidency. It's cyclical, but the cycles are going to get more violent, bizarre, and polarized. I just don't see independent voters anymore. Either you're too stupid or civically-ignorant to understand the Constitution, or you're too apathetic and morally deficit to know the threat of socialism. Independent voter = ignorant or low IQ voter with zero understanding of American government/history, the Constitution, or know the difference between representative republic/capitalism vs. socialism/communism,

Collapse and war are inevitable.

The more our country shifts to the socialist left, the higher the probability. The upcoming election will be interesting, but I fear even if Trump wins, the following election will result in a fanatical left replacement that will stir up a lot of damaging policies, actions, and over-bearing government regulations. If that administration ends up being as corrupt as the HRC campaign was, it will get quite volatile.

The domestic enemy of the American people consists of the MSM, Hollywood, liberal elites (including RINOs and corporate-liberals), and if the democratic party continues it's insane shift to the socialist left, they will join that list.

While the majority of non-(violent)-criminal illegal immigrants coming in from Central and South America are of a moral, Judeo-Christian (mostly Catholic) background, they are also fleeing from socialist countries with dictator-like governments...the same type of politicians they will likely vote for here (err, illegal vote for). Illegal immigrants are like the abused spouse who finally leave an abusive spouse only to find another spouse who is abusive...it's what they know even though they simply can't understand the attraction. The illegal immigrants will have an impact on the balance of our representative republic just like our legal "independent" voters...they simply don't understand how America was established, the purpose of our Constitution, and the importance of a representative republic or a capitalist economic system.

Socialists don't understand a "self-governing" system where individuals adhere to the rule of law, have the liberties and freedoms to live the way they define within the rule of law, and accept the consequences for behaviors and failures of their own decisions. Our system of morality and cultural norms are degrading our system of government and Constitution. Those without that understanding are the ignorant masses who think the Government has all the answers.

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I appreciate the topic, but there are NO independent voters these days.

Call them swing voters then. But it doesn't matter what you call them. There is a certain group of people who control the outcomes of big elections. Republicans always vote Republican, and Democrats always vote Democrat, and they are predictable and about equal in number. Because they're equal in number, the outcome of the election depends on the swing voters / independent voters.

I tend to think they are mostly young and don't understand the complexities of politics, so they don't fully know what they're doing. Not STUPID, but mostly ignorant and often unrealistically idealistic. Then as they get older, most of them pick a side and stick with it.

Some don't ever pick a side and are swing voters all their lives. And those are the ones you're probably talking about. Many of them voted for both Obama and Trump. Which, to most of us, makes no sense at all.

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our only hope after Trump is a conservative SCOTUS. With 2-3 SCOTUS poised to retire (or die) in the next 5-years, TRUMP has the opportunity to put in relatively young SCOTUSes.

I think Ben Shapiro might have a good chance down the road but not sure if he could/would run for 2024 or sometimes after that.

Hillary is Chomping at the bits to run in 2024 I'm sure.

Next safeguard is at the State level...but that gets dicey as States lose federal funding if they don't fall in-line with the feds...Between Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid,Welfare benefits, its a perfect recipe to keep even conservatives folks to vote the other way if it means keeping those benefits.

Not all immigrants vote Democrats. If there is a major world event (i.e. World War) that could totally change things (maybe for the better or worse, who knows).

 

our only hope after Trump is a conservative SCOTUS. With 2-3 SCOTUS poised to retire (or die) in the next 5-years, TRUMP has the opportunity to put in relatively young SCOTUSes.

I think Ben Shapiro might have a good chance down the road but not sure if he could/would run for 2024 or sometimes after that.

One of the things the crazy Democrats are talking about doing if they win is adding more (leftist) judges to the Supreme Court. I think there would be too much outrage if they tried to, but one never knows for sure. Past presidents have done it. (I think FDR was the last one).

Shapiro is smart as a whip but he doesn't have the charisma needed to win. Trump has a LOT personality. Some good, some bad, but it's a ton.

Shapiro is also very small, and like it or not, size can make a difference in diplomacy. Trump uses his big presence to great effect, staring down at Putin and Kim Jong Un. I'm not saying our president needs to be big, but being able to menacingly stare down at your opponents has a value all it's own. Remember this picture?

As for the next Republican nominee in 2024, I'm pulling for Dan Crenshaw, former Navy SEAL and new TX US House Representative. I think he has everything needed to not only win, but lead. Start paying attention to that guy and you'll see what I mean.

As to Civil War, remember, the Right went even crazier when Obama got in than the Left has with Trump. Birthers, repeal of the 22nd Amendment, martial law any second now: The lunatics and fools spewed that spew constantly, many on this board, some of whom are still around and posting, until the passage of time revealed they WERE lunatics and fools. And still are. People don't want a civil war, they want a hard reset that will somehow miraculously solve all the problems they're having, ease their fears, and enable them to say, "they were RIGHT!"

The right rallied and formed the Tea Party. At their rallies, they were mostly respectful, rational and cleaned up after themselves.

The left became physically destructive and violent, and on the one year anniversary of Trump's winning, held a nationwide rally to "Scream Helplessly At The Sky". (That was what THEY called it! :thumb

It's hard to believe that you don't know the difference so I can only assume you are spinning it for some reason.

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The Republican Party is busted. It's simply a tribal affiliation without ideological underpinnings anymore. It stands for nothing except getting and maintaining political power. The Democrats aren't much better but their central premise, that government can solve all problems, at least still has some validity. By rights the GOP should collapse like the Whigs and be replaced by something new, or people should switch to the Libertarian Party if they were willing to put their votes where their mouths were. Neither is likely to happen.

As to Civil War, remember, the Right went even crazier when Obama got in than the Left has with Trump. Birthers, repeal of the 22nd Amendment, martial law any second now: The lunatics and fools spewed that spew constantly, many on this board, some of whom are still around and posting, until the passage of time revealed they WERE lunatics and fools. And still are. People don't want a civil war, they want a hard reset that will somehow miraculously solve all the problems they're having, ease their fears, and enable them to say, "they were RIGHT!"

Ain't gonna happen, McGee.

 

The Republican Party is busted. It's simply a tribal affiliation without ideological underpinnings anymore. It stands for nothing except getting and maintaining political power. The Democrats aren't much better but their central premise, that government can solve all problems, at least still has some validity. By rights the GOP should collapse like the Whigs and be replaced by something new, or people should switch to the Libertarian Party if they were willing to put their votes where their mouths were. Neither is likely to happen.



As to Civil War, remember, the Right went even crazier when Obama got in than the Left has with Trump. Birthers, repeal of the 22nd Amendment, martial law any second now: The lunatics and fools spewed that spew constantly, many on this board, some of whom are still around and posting, until the passage of time revealed they WERE lunatics and fools. And still are. People don't want a civil war, they want a hard reset that will somehow miraculously solve all the problems they're having, ease their fears, and enable them to say, "they were RIGHT!"



Ain't gonna happen, McGee.

You can't be serious about the Right being crazier after the Obama election. Just compare clips of election night coverage to see where the madness began. I know people who curled on the floor in the fetal position and cried in fear for their friends of color and/or alternate lifestyles. People yelled at the sky. The entire left refused to believe he was fairly elected. Most still believe that.
Y'all wanted to recount votes until that didn't work out too well. Then abolish the Electoral college. Then he was literally a Russian spy. It has never ended to this day as evidenced by the Mueller report and reaction. Now subpeona records on every aspect of he and his family's life going back 10 years...for no legitimate legislative purpose.
Somewhere in your mind you know this to be true.
PartyThink will not allow you to admit it.

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Trump will be re-elected as long as the economy is good. I see more divisiveness from the younger set,some who feel/think that us old "geezers" never paid into SS,are not owed the money sucked out of their paychecks for 40+ years,while thinking nothing is wrong giving illegals-not "immigrants"-everything for free.

 

There will be more Republican Presidents, they will just be even more RINO than they are now. Who was the last Democrat President before they became DINO? Basically Reps have become Dems and Dems have become Commies. The poor (workers) were once the slaves to the wealthy (business owners) now the wealthy (workers) are the slaves to the poor (leeches). The super-rich decide the fine line on how much fleecing the workers will take before revolting and they are doing a fine job I must say.

 

I remember many saying that Bush would be the last Republican President when obama was elected.

 

I was POSITIVE Hillary was already elected, then I woke to the news of the Trump victory, actually could not stop myself from laughing for a couple hours, and I rarely laugh at anything. Trump is better than any alternative I have seen but would still much prefer everyone pick a side and settle everything once and for all.

 

First I firmly believe Trump will win in 2020. I also think (hope) that the results of the current investigations will be so damaging to the Left that they won't be able to field a candidate for a couple election cycles. This is different than most cycles because of the total corruption that I believe is about to be exposed.
I also have had the thought that Don Jr might be a viable candidate after his Dads second term.
No Leftists here will agree with any of this, lol.

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If Ben Shapiro could stop guiding every story somehow into the Jew realm I might be able to listen longer. But he can't control himself.

 

The 'Republican' Party only appeared prior to the American Civil War. It has gone through changes. The 'Democratic' Party has been around longer and gone through more changes.

The Democratic Party is self-destructing. Post 2020 I see them breaking up into new parties.

Thus a Republican [or perhaps the Republican Party will go through some changes also] will be able to more easily get the 2024 Presidency as it will be running against say 5 or 6 parties that come out of the Democratic Party. And maybe also 2028.

How a break up of the Democratic Party would effect the House and Senate would be a 'may you live in interesting times' situation. Think all those parties in parlamentary systems. Since there would still be a conservative portion of the Democratic party [or perhaps including some of those independents] remaining in some party of their own. A conservative majority [of multiple parties] would probably still be in the Senate. The advantage of new parties developing is that a portion of the Rino's might change party.

Civil War. Most likely after a loss in 2020. But with developing multiple political parties growing out of the Democratic Party's "Big Tent" will cause further problems for them [and the rebels]. And probably even more splinter parties. With a little luck they will spend half their time shooting each other [since they mostly live in cities they are more likely to 'see' a deviant former Democrat than a Conservative of any ilk.] All those 'groups' will try to create their own urban utopias and just make a big mess.

 

The Democratic Party is self-destructing. Post 2020 I see them breaking up into new parties.

Interesting, and possible, although it would be suicidal to the left as a whole. The establishment politicians know that and are doing everything they can to hold it together. Including withholding DNC funding from new, radical candidates who want to primary Democrat incumbents. So they've already taken steps to mitigate the split.

They saw the result of standing by while AOC, Ilian Omar, and their like won their primaries and won their races without an opponent. They've become the new face of the Democrats. And they're crazy. So now Democrats look crazy.

But if the idea is that multiple parties would be under the same tent, the problem is that the AOC's don't WANT to be in the same tent. They want to give us the Green New Deal and socialism. That's a whole different tent. Not compatible.

Pelosi seems like a doddering idiot, but that's wrong. My guess is she will hold the centre together as long as she's in office. But she is getting old...

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."​

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I've never been that political until Obama won in 2007; I couldn't wrap my head around a platform based on 'Hope and Change', to what? Something that nebulous didn't sit well with me.

I went to one Tea Party gathering/demonstration/get-together; quiet, sign-carrying folks discussing the outlook of the country, and the impact they perceived. About as quiet as some outdoor church gathering. Yes, I had questions about Obama's history (and still wonder about him being a 'Manchurian candidate', but will never know since his records are sealed)...anyways, bring it forward to the present. I look to the Left Coast, and the Eastern Seaboard, for direction. State leaders seem more agenda-driven (i.e. California's insane directions of background checks for ammo, Sanctuary status, drivers licenses for illegal aliens, restrictions on firearms, restrictions on CCW licenses, climate change policies as the norm, restricting petroleum exploration, increasing taxes on whatever they can name, etc.)

Look at the politicians; Gavin Newsom, Kevin de Leon ("half my family is here illegally"), Kamala Harris (I'll take your 2A rights, thank you), Pelosi, Booker, Pete Buttplug, AOC, Bernie, Hillary. All of them trying to demonstrate that they're more Socialist than the next, and all of them not being 'representatives' of their constituents. Ever try to write/email one of them with your view of the world? Get prepared for polite rejection. And they'll do whatever they darn well please.

And now states are voting to change the delegate process, and side-step the Electoral College. It's a creep away from what we're used to thinking of as the 'United' States.

 

My two cents -

More scare tactics? Just what this country Doesn't need. I just can't take this thread seriously.

With that, why not three parties or more with a real chance of winning a presidential election? Because two is cheapest while still providing the illusion of democracy. The "two party" system is designed to divided and conquer at the lowest possible purchase price for legalized bribery - dubbed lobbying - and the continuation of a corporate owned nation. It is anti-people/anti-American.

BTW - New guy here ~ Peace

 

My two cents -

More scare tactics? Just what this country Doesn't need. I just can't take this thread seriously.

That's fine, but after saying that you really should point out specifically where you think I'm wrong in the OP. This is a discussion after all. I'm bouncing out ideas and thoughts and fully expect others to show me where my logic fails.

So where am I wrong, and why?

And welcome to the forum!

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This thread helps explain something to me I've been wondering about.

Why do people want to build the wall?

In my mind, we pay billions to build it now, and in another five years, or less....we pay billions more to tear it down.

I mean, I get why you would want to have the wall. But politics being what it is, it wouldn't last anymore than a few years before politics flips back the other way and it gets torn down.

But if some of you really think the republicans will stay in power for multiple terms....it makes more sense.

I think if the wall gets built, it's more likely to be used by mexico to keep US refugees OUT than to keep central American refugees in, the way things are going.

 

The 2020 election is going to be a complete circus. We haven't seen anything yet. The push to remove the electoral college in a lot of states is very concerning. 2020 will be one for the record books. We honestly still have a VERY long painful way to fall in this country. Just imagine how the left will react if Trump two terms. They will outright lose their minds. It will make for good social media entertainment videos, but I really worry about them doing something really stupid crazy during the election cycle.....

 

Or....how will WE react if he loses to someone like Warren?

 

IF they can pull it off fairly legally, we are just going to suck it up and deal with it.

hmmm....thats not how I dealt with it. Honestly, in 2013 I was expecting to die in a drone strike on some hillside in california by now. Kind of burned a few bridges I shouldn't have because I didn't think I would live long enough to need them.

But anyway, Obama was just bluster, he never actually managed to do anything...just a threat of what they WANTED to do but couldn't....but next time maybe they can.

 

I apologize I got in the conversation late. I was at work and I've read some of the newer posts but not all of them. To the first post: I was still a kid but I remember Bush the Senior taking over after Reagan. I do think he was deep state but still, he was under our banner. I would prefer Pence coming to be in 2024 and believe it's possible, Cruz who had my real vote in 16 will hopefully come before Crenshaw (who I also really like). So far Trump is the best president in my memory even if I don't like him personally, look how far our country has come! The state will most likely make the economy crash like it did in 2018 so we will see if he gets re-elected. If he does I see at least one more round of Pence. Let's hope for the best! (also keep prepping for the worst)

 

Both Bushes were deep state but at least Sr was a war hero. I had lunch with him once while I was in the military when he came out for a Presidential visit. (Okay there were about a hundred of us there, but still. Very nice guy.) That's when I started paying attention to politics and voting.

I don't think Pence can win. He would be riding Trump's coattails just like Biden is trying to ride Obama's coattails and it won't work for him. Leftists have a deep hatred of Pence which will make independents nervous. The independents will believe the lies and not vote for him.

Cruz was my first choice too, in 2016. But I got on the Trump train after he won the nomination.

I still like Cruz but I don't think he can win for the same reason as Pence. Leftists hate him too much. Plus both Pence and Cruz lack that certain indescribable quality that's needed to win. There are many different versions of it, but Reagan had it and so did Obama and Trump. McCain and Romney didn't have it.

But I think Crenshaw has it and can go all the way! :thumb:

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So I take it that was a complete joke? No one could take it otherwise

 

I do appreciate your thoughts but honestly I do think Pence has it. He's bullet proof. I could be wrong but I will keep being optimistic